Military training by firing blank machine gun rounds in miami

[Train]

Expenditure of any munitions, ammo, even of strict training-types, is restricted to Federal and State-owned lands designated for that purpose. There are some very specific, special circumstances for smaller training - but I cannot imagine any exceptions can be made that makes this situation "OK."

Do you have a source that says this is forbidden? I don't think it is.

I've been a part of several urban training excercises that have used blanks on city streets. All you had to do was get a permit from local police dept.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Are you saying the people in THAT thread were whack jobs, but the ones in this one are not?

I really want a yes or no to that.

Is that what you really want? Lol... I haven't seen the thread so have no unbiased info to base it on.

 

[Printer Bandit]

when the time comes:

sheep -----> line A
line B <----- whack jobs

 

[Train]

when the time comes:

sheep -----> line A
line B <----- whack jobs

Line C: level headed people who don't try to force their side by making an issue black and white.

 

[destrekor]

Do you have a source that says this is forbidden? I don't think it is.

I've been a part of several urban training excercises that have used blanks on city streets. All you had to do was get a permit from local police dept.

Were civilians moving about all through the AO?


And that was part of my "exceptions" thing. Police can OK it - but I think there are still gray areas. I'm not sure if your type of situation requires civilian news services to be given notice for dissemination, perhaps you may know if that happened?

I'll admit I'm not 100% certain on such a straight forbidding of such and such policy. But I reckon the how, why, and where clears up the gray area of the situation or makes it that much worse.

I think the whole concept of which I speak is all geared toward NOT scaring the piss out of the civilians. Keeping to a small city block or a few buildings is one thing; firing rounds over urban territory, without any notice, is something I imagine all top military commanders would frown upon. Someone somewhere apparently didn't frown, but I imagine a Colonel or General in the CoC was NOT aware they would do what they did, even if he/she did sign off on, or was briefed on, a training exercise of a similar but more limited nature.

 

[Train]

Were civilians moving about all through the AO?

yes.

And that was part of my "exceptions" thing. Police can OK it - but I think there are still gray areas. I'm not sure if your type of situation requires civilian news services to be given notice for dissemination, perhaps you may know if that happened?

I'll admit I'm not 100% certain on such a straight forbidding of such and such policy. But I reckon the how, why, and where clears up the gray area of the situation or makes it that much worse.

I think the whole concept of which I speak is all geared toward NOT scaring the piss out of the civilians. Keeping to a small city block or a few buildings is one thing; firing rounds over urban territory, without any notice, is something I imagine all top military commanders would frown upon. Someone somewhere apparently didn't frown, but I imagine a Colonel or General in the CoC was NOT aware they would do what they did, even if he/she did sign off on, or was briefed on, a training exercise of a similar but more limited nature.

I guess the only way to know is to follow up on this story... which I don't think a single person has done, go figure. All we have to go on is our imaginations.

 

[ArmyVet88]

This dude spatially acts like he would shoot at anything if he lived in the boonies, dude you would probally piss your pants. I bet you you have never even fired a weapon let alone something with power. Stick to the forums you weirdo, you are crazy, a loner, a forum dweller who lives in his mom basement still talking shit. Bashing soldiers like myself because you think we are one big "Gang"

Your an idiot do you know what firing rounds means?!? It means shooting bullets. NOT BLANKS, BULLETS. You really are a nutcase man. Still no one had anything to say when i talked about the reason and why drones wont be used on american soil, and if they were how they would be used. No one had anything to say when i shot down the patheic DHS ammo, guns. and targets they bought. Keep spewing your nonsense man. You are a joke. Your mother more than likely didnt hold you enouf and just let the TV on for you. Your a weirdo and it shows in a forum. Sad sad person you are.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

ROFL look at that temper!


It really is good insight of the overall personality of the gang members in the heli, who were really only taking orders just as they've been brainwashed to do.

No outside the box thinking allowed in this group, just follow orders blindly without any questioning!

:whiste:

 

[ArmyVet88]

ROFL look at that temper!

Temper, you like to twist everything you see on the internet and say it like its absolute. Just another way you have proven your forum troll. You have had no constructed statement on this whole thread. Not a single one man. Its sad that you wait to flame all over anyone else who joines the thread and hinder the abiity of this thread to become about a topic. Instead it has resulted in the bashing of current and former Military members and lawmen. I wouldnt mind to bash the right people, you speak of renting a chopper and to shoot at a military instulation! Yet you get butthurt when people say your a fucking lunatic. If you were to read everypage of this thread it involves you speaking like a moron.


You are a known and proven troll. I am far from having a temper. You need to think outside of this little computer box and worry about your family. Constructivly, not by ways of spewing nonsense and unknowns like it is absolute fact. I would be ashamed to be a child of yours. Life your life man, dont fall into the OMG THERE GOING TO KILL US ALL.

I have stated in the very begining of this thread that i agree with most theroies that the average person would deem "Whack Job" status. Doesnt mean there is an angle to everything, doesnt mean that the one people who would protect you, ( (Those 18 to mid 20's kids who swore to defend against both foreign and domestic threats) you claim are a "gang".

If you think that everysingle soldier would just point a gun at you pull the trigger for no reason you are sadly mistaken and more then likely very unstable as a person, to live everyday that scared.

Now knowing you, you will probaly say that some of those troops would do it because they kiill inocents in war and blah blah blah. I will agree with you there that yes, a select few people more then likely would. At the same alot of civilians would more pull the trigger for no reason. THEY ARE ALL SICK PEOPLE. In anygroup in the world, you have sick people. Known fact! Those prior,current,future service member would die for you no quicker then a loyal dog. What have you done with your life bigger than yourself? Why do you get to come online and slander a group of people? Why do you get to spew crazy nonsense like it is absolute?

Ill tell you why! Because You Can,Because of that gang that you hate and talk so much shit about. I think you would be better off joining the Westboro Baptist Church and leaving your family to live their days without you.

So now go ahead and do your "outside the box" thinking, and by all means get back to me. Trollolol

 

[Andrew111]

Things like this aren't worrisome due to some kind of takeover threat - they are worrisome because they most certainly shouldn't happen.

Exactly....the after action review should damn well identify the idiot(s) who okay'd the loading of blank rounds on the helicopter and firing them over downtown Miami...and their career in the military should be extinguished. You don't want an idiot like that progressing in the military and making even stupider decisions at a more critical level.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Too long, didn't read.

And let it go man, let it go.

 

[Andrew111]

What MOUT cities are you talking about? Is there a particular one that is built on the scale of Miami? Please link to some maps. The one at Fort Bragg? Camp Bullis, TX? The largest that I've seen was at Fort Bragg and only comprised about 9 small city blocks. Don't you think that they are in constant use already? Maybe there being used to train up to a culminating training event... like a real city.

So....why do they have to fire blank rounds from a helicopter over Miami and NOT one of the various MOUT cities we have? The training value is inconsequential and the negatives are vast...negative news coverage, scared people in the city, feeding conspiracy theorists. It was a poor decision and the decision makers who okay'd it shouldn't be making decisions anymore. Now I'm sure the FAA and the top level commanders weren't aware that they would fire blank rounds in the city...but wherever that conversation happened and whoever okay'd it should damn well have a ruined military career...because it was too stupid to go without significant backlash/punishment.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And, individually, I greatly appreciate what every service member (both current and previous) does for our country, but my issues are with the people up top.

 

[ArmyVet88]

Too long, didn't read.
.

My point exactly you do not read any posting that you can not twist around be a complete nutjob about it.

 

[ArmyVet88]

And, individually, I greatly appreciate what every service member (both current and previous) does for our country, but my issues are with the people up top.

Realy?!? You have not shown this towards myself . Instead after me defusing ones argument about Drones killing innocents in the US, DHS purchasing of targets we have been using for close to a decade, and the fact that soliders in combat barely if ever, switch there M4 or M16 to fully auto. You post, that i like to "Blow my own horn". Then continue to tell me to get you "a cup of coffee" when i tell you i was attached to a special forces group as an airborne combat enginner. Your repeated usage of terminology towards the US Service members is that they are a "Gang".

So please do not contradict yourself now and lie on a thread. Anyone can easily go back and see what you have written up until this point. You are out of control.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Actually, you have me mixed up with another member. See, you lost control and attacked the wrong person..... Surprise, right?

Don't take it personally and stop derailing the thread.

 

[ArmyVet88]

Actually, you have me mixed up with another member. See, you lost control and attacked the wrong person..... Surprise, right?

In a sense yes, you were still going back with him on that thread page, the both of you feeding into it. I did not loose track as you are the one to say the gang comments and the renting of the helicopter. So the" cup of cofee" remark was not made by yourself. I stand corrected on that part. The rest still right on par.

 

[Paladin3]

Come on, folks, tell me true. This was just a joke thread to draw out the nut jobs and send them back to P&N where they belong, right?