Military training by firing blank machine gun rounds in miami

[Train]

I promise you... If someone was shooting .50 cal rounds out of a chartered heli it would be taken care of very quickly. Either military base or over a miami highway.

You promise me? You sound like a lunatic who has no idea what the fuck is going on.

 

[Andrew111]

Let it go

You're fucking delusional if you think this was an appropriate training event to be doing in a major city. You see what happened? News coverage, scared the shit out of people, conspiracy theorists coming out of the woodwork...it was a stupid thing to do, plain and simple and the idiots who thought it up should be disciplined for being retards...they sure as shit shouldn't be making critical decisions when they're stupid enough to think it's alright to scare people by firing blank rounds in downtown Miami. There is no training value in firing blank rounds in downtown Miami...could have done that on a military base. If they wanted to simulate an urban environment...the military has plenty of mock cities to do it in.

 

[Andrew111]

A military exercise isn't something that needs to be "justified." As for whether or not it was a well-chosen place and time, that depends on the nature of the exercise and why they were doing it, neither of which you or I know anything about.

LOL, doesn't have to be justified? I've done military exercises and someone with a brain should have been part of the planning phase asking why they needed to fire blank rounds in downtown Miami. It sure as shit doesn't have much of any training value except to make loud noises...not worth scaring people in the city over. So whoever thought up this idea shouldn't be making these types of decisions anymore.

 

[keird]

You're fucking delusional if you think this was an appropriate training event to be doing in a major city. You see what happened? News coverage, scared the shit out of people, conspiracy theorists coming out of the woodwork...it was a stupid thing to do, plain and simple and the idiots who thought it up should be disciplined for being retards...they sure as shit shouldn't be making critical decisions when they're stupid enough to think it's alright to scare people by firing blank rounds in downtown Miami. There is no training value in firing blank rounds in downtown Miami...could have done that on a military base. If they wanted to simulate an urban environment...the military has plenty of mock cities to do it in.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/black-helicopters-army-says-dont-worry/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/28/so-why-have-military-helicopters-been-flying-over-miami-we-explain-plus-see-the-videos/

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19379303/military-helicopters-to-train-over-twin-cities

http://www.worcestermag.com/blogs/dailyworcesteria/Army-training-buzzes-Worcester-164884126.html

We're sorry that we decided that it wasn't going to be a funding event for your local annual air show.

Signed,

The U.S Government

It's a training scenario. Why build a scale MOUT city when we already have plenty of cities? So the citizens can pay more out of their grocery budget?

 

[keird]

LOL, doesn't have to be justified? I've done military exercises and someone with a brain should have been part of the planning phase asking why they needed to fire blank rounds in downtown Miami. It sure as shit doesn't have much of any training value except to make loud noises...not worth scaring people in the city over. So whoever thought up this idea shouldn't be making these types of decisions anymore.

Maybe they had MILES [laser tag] gear on key participants.

 

[John Connor]

They are training for the Cuban invasion! :biggrin:

BTW, isn't it the duty of U.S. soldiers to 'defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.'? What constitutes a domestic enemy?

 

[keird]

They are training for the Cuban invasion! :biggrin:

BTW, isn't it the duty of U.S. soldiers to 'defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.'? What constitutes a domestic enemy?

It's like domestic violence, I think.

 

[SithSolo1]

Why does DHS need 1.6 Billion rounds of ammo? To put it into context, that's 24 years worth of ammo if it is used at the rate it was used at the height of the Iraq war.

They aren't planning to use all of it. Think about it, whats the easiest way for someone with bottomless pockets to deny ammo to the public at large? Buy up all the supply.


/tinfoil hat

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Why?

The only purposes I can see for this exercise would be to (1) get the military/LEO used to discharging weapons in flight over a real US city, and (2) to get US citizens conditioned to accept this as normal.

Why would the government need to do this? I can only assume it's because the government intends to do this in the future.

BINGO! we have a winner! From my post on page 1;--
We are training the soldiers to get used to YOU.
And you, to get used to the soldiers.
This isn't an isolated event in just one city. It has been occurring across
the country for many years now.
I am watching this thread with interest for it is a discussion that needs to be made. Is it all just tin foil hat? Or are there legitimate concerns. I think we can all agree, changes are happening, rapidly, and with urgency. Enemies, and sides are being selected, and targeted, and very soon you will have to select one.

 

[Cerb]

They are training for the Cuban invasion! :biggrin:

BTW, isn't it the duty of U.S. soldiers to 'defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.'? What constitutes a domestic enemy?

/me reads Framers' writings

:hmm:

Looks like a standing army would suffice, as would salaried politicians. :awe:

:ninja:

 

[Flash1969]

It's very disturbing to see so many people think that this is ok

 

[Andrew111]

It's a training scenario. Why build a scale MOUT city when we already have plenty of cities? So the citizens can pay more out of their grocery budget?

Uh...they wouldn't have to build a MOUT city dumbass...there are already plenty of them readily available for military training exercises across the United States. Already built...already paid for...so might as well use them.

By the way..that is one hell of a stupid ass comment to make. Since we have plenty of cities...the military should just pick a random city and do some simulated IED roadside bomb training while citizens are driving by on their way to work? Jackass. In my nine years in the military...all simulated battlefield environments were conducted on military bases as they should be.

 

[MaxPayne63]

/me reads Framers' writings

:hmm:

Looks like a standing army would suffice, as would salaried politicians. :awe:

:ninja:

Even worse, standing salaried politicians.

 

[DCal430]

Here is one of the targets military and law enforcement are being told to shot to kill. Sad they think this is OK.

 

[keird]

Uh...they wouldn't have to build a MOUT city dumbass...there are already plenty of them readily available for military training exercises across the United States. Already built...already paid for...so might as well use them.

By the way..that is one hell of a stupid ass comment to make. Since we have plenty of cities...the military should just pick a random city and do some simulated IED roadside bomb training while citizens are driving by on their way to work? Jackass. In my nine years in the military...all simulated battlefield environments were conducted on military bases as they should be.

What MOUT cities are you talking about? Is there a particular one that is built on the scale of Miami? Please link to some maps. The one at Fort Bragg? Camp Bullis, TX? The largest that I've seen was at Fort Bragg and only comprised about 9 small city blocks. Don't you think that they are in constant use already? Maybe there being used to train up to a culminating training event... like a real city.

In the 1990s we trained to parachute into an airfield to seize it for follow on forces. I believe that the military has changed it's focus to population centers.

 

[sourn]

could have been NK / Russia like in Red Dawn. plus it was night time.

K then who in their right mind would shoot at a helicopter, thinking it was actually legit (as in live ammo). That would just be stupid. You're not freaking rambo. You don't go toe to toe with a helicopter unless you're packing some serious fire power.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

K then who in their right mind would shoot at a helicopter, thinking it was actually legit (as in live ammo). That would just be stupid. You're not freaking rambo. You don't go toe to toe with a helicopter unless you're packing some serious fire power.

Being that I live in a city I would not shoot back. Especially now that the military has conditioned us to accept that .50 rounds shot from a helicopter towards civilians is a normal thing.



If I lived in the boonies and a helicopter was shooting rounds (blanks or not) at me or my property I just might shoot back.

And FYI, it doesn't require all that much to take down a heli.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You promise me? You sound like a lunatic who has no idea what the fuck is going on.

Hah, I'll take that as a compliment. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

FYI... It says a lot that we have one of the gang members in here whispering "let it goo... let it goooo"

Look at how well they have him brainwashed. That right there is a fairly large indicator of the opinion of the gang leaders towards civilians. "Just look the other way!"


Yup, just keep being the lemming. Don't ask questions about where your tax dollars are going or what your government is doing.

 

[wirednuts]

It's very disturbing to see so many people think that this is ok

comes from the same generation that has been video recorded their whole lives... its becoming engrained in us to simply believe everything done to us is for our safety.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

comes from the same generation that has been video recorded their whole lives... its becoming engrained in us to simply believe everything done to us is for our safety.

I think this is also a large byproduct of our entitlement society.

Look at all the government has given us! You don't have to work, just vote for the right people, pop out a couple kids, and get that check and cellphone. It's free, swipe yo EBT! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

 

[destrekor]

Keep on like the irrational, name-calling paranoiac you (apparently) are.

There is no evidence of any rounds being fired on innocent people. No rounds were fired on anyone, as they were all blanks, and the video shows nothing about who or what, if anything, was targeted. There is no reason to believe any civilian was ever endangered in any way.

I could envision all kinds of logical justifications for this, most obviously an anti-terrorism drill. Obviously if the government just announced why they were doing this to make you more comfortable, it could undermine the benefit of the drill, depending on its nature, because if it is, for example, an anti-terrorism drill, terrorists would learn the nature of the way the military and LEO are training and drilling. I don't personally find the drill anything scary, as I am a military veteran and have been involved in numerous real-world and drill deployment situations, and it doesn't strike me as something that requires justification.

Since you're the one who's so incensed about this, what exactly is your concern?

To be fair, it doesn't matter if they were blanks and if they had the catchers for expended cartridges so that no brass rained down. The very fact that weaponry was fired, in any shape or form, outside of a specified training range, is a major issue.

I personally don't care that much, and I don't fear it in any way - but as someone who has to actually commit to such planning and training (not of this specific nature - but in general), I know the bureaucratic and political-type gauntlet that these kinds of decisions are subjected too.
The fact that this even went ahead at all means it had to have been fairly high up the chain of command, at least regionally. A lot of approving stamps - but enough details may have also not been identified so those approving commanders didn't know THIS would happen.

Regardless - the best that will happen (for those who it will happen to) is people will receive some very negative annual ratings. Depending on the rank of each officer involved, even that best outcome is basically a "get the fuck out - we're done with you. no pink slip, but never getting a promotion either."
(Up or Out mindset, at least in the Army). People will likely lose their posts, get transferred, etc.
In short, there will be drastic repercussions, as there should be. This should never have happened, for various reasons.

 

[Train]

I knew I'd regret commenting on a whack job thread.

I remember a very similar thread way back in 2004 during the election run up in P&N.

Some armored vehicles rode through L.A. and the whack jobs in that particular thread were 100% certain this was Bush (and those damn Neocons!) preparing the take over the USA with marshall law.

If you doubted their whack job conspiracy theory, you were dismissed as a "lemming" or a "drone of the govt" etc. etc. etc. The same ad nauseam shit you always here from these types of idiots.

Well Bush was re-elected, and no, he didnt take over the country.

Rinse repeat, 9 years later, different whack jobs, same crack pot delusions.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I knew I'd regret commenting on a whack job thread.

I remember a very similar thread way back in 2004 during the election run up in P&N.

Some armored vehicles rode through L.A. and the whack jobs in that particular thread were 100% certain this was Bush (and those damn Neocons!) preparing the take over the USA with marshall law.

If you doubted their whack job conspiracy theory, you were dismissed as a "lemming" or a "drone of the govt" etc. etc. etc. The same ad nauseam shit you always here from these types of idiots.

Well Bush was re-elected, and no, he didnt take over the country.

Rinse repeat, 9 years later, different whack jobs, same crack pot delusions.

Do you really not understand the difference between military vehicles being transported from one city to another and military helicopters firing rounds down from above a miami highway?

 

[Train]

Do you really not understand the difference between military vehicles being transported from one city to another and military helicopters firing rounds down from above a miami highway?

Are you saying the people in THAT thread were whack jobs, but the ones in this one are not?

I really want a yes or no to that.

 

[destrekor]

Are you saying the people in THAT thread were whack jobs, but the ones in this one are not?

I really want a yes or no to that.

There are whack-job discussions in this thread.

But not all of them.

For instance: my post isn't.


Things like this aren't worrisome due to some kind of takeover threat - they are worrisome because they most certainly shouldn't happen.

However - use of things vehicles and other warfighting vehicles, in just about any capacity that does not involve actually firing of any type of ammunition, is perfectly legit. Out of the ordinary always demands public awareness, but vehicles moving on the highway anywhere is standard. Night op flights do demand public awareness.

Anything being fired is simply a No Go - not in/on/over/under public land. Expenditure of any munitions, ammo, even of strict training-types, is restricted to Federal and State-owned lands designated for that purpose. There are some very specific, special circumstances for smaller training - but I cannot imagine any exceptions can be made that makes this situation "OK."