For the record, what does our current situation in Iraq have to do with being "patriotic?" Isn't it just as reasonable for someone to advocate every legal avenue of opposing an "unjust" war as it is for proponents to advertise support for the war as being "patriotic?" If both sides can use it, it's meaningless.
nothing, thats a typical brown shirt response.......question....(no good answer).....(think of a good response)....... "you are just unpatriotic"
its like a kneejerk reaction from the GOPies
I am not even going to waste my time. Keep posting 1 sentence attachments and I won't need to waste the effort to achieve my desired ends.
I don't see too much of a problem I know at my high school recruiters were around often.Of course most recruiters are kind of useless(atleast those I met) I remember some Army recruiter trying to get my younger brother and his friends(9 of em) to join the Army instead they enlisted with the Marines.
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I can tell you this. Neither had better approach my kids without my consent, because they would have to deal with me, and that would be a distinctly unpleasant thing for them. My family does not belong to the US, the Libs or the Cons. They are mine and when someone decides to insert themselves in a way I disapprove of they are going to get an earful.
Fir those that are opposed to military recruitment, are you opposed to the existence of the military or just you child's participation in it?
If you think that we should have a military and you are opposed to recruitment, are you in favor of a draft to fill the ranks?
If you think that we should have a military and you are opposed to recruitment, are you in favor of a draft to fill the ranks?
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The us military the size it is compared to other nations is a holdover from the cold war and thus useless.
Of course the military industrial complex is going to go for PNAC imperialism. They are bored and overfunded.
Stay out of other countries affairs= no more terrorism, everyone is happy and we have lots of money to do what we do best: the world leader in newest ideas and tech to better the human races lot in life. Instead of just bombing out those who have not learned as much as us and ruining what they have made for themselves we should be a example!
Everyone knows in the long run you win more with honey then vinegar.
We are blessed with enough money, resources and manpower to guard our borders and be the inspiration of hope and peace to the world.
Using the blessings we have for domination and imperialism we shall just go down in history as another experiment of freedom and democracy gone wrong.
We shall never help our fellow nation states by the end of a gun -we as Americans should lead as a example of peace and goodwill -not the iron fist of the past.
This is our legacy from world wars past, so soon we have forgotten the WASTE of war.
Noone wins in the end.
Of course the military industrial complex is going to go for PNAC imperialism. They are bored and overfunded.
Stay out of other countries affairs= no more terrorism, everyone is happy and we have lots of money to do what we do best: the world leader in newest ideas and tech to better the human races lot in life. Instead of just bombing out those who have not learned as much as us and ruining what they have made for themselves we should be a example!
Everyone knows in the long run you win more with honey then vinegar.
We are blessed with enough money, resources and manpower to guard our borders and be the inspiration of hope and peace to the world.
Using the blessings we have for domination and imperialism we shall just go down in history as another experiment of freedom and democracy gone wrong.
We shall never help our fellow nation states by the end of a gun -we as Americans should lead as a example of peace and goodwill -not the iron fist of the past.
This is our legacy from world wars past, so soon we have forgotten the WASTE of war.
Noone wins in the end.
I would like to know this as well. I recently joined the Navy myself, and I would love to see some form of mandatory service time. It would certainly make people think twice about who they're electing to lead their armed forces.
Well, actually, I think they can be held to a different standard. It is different. I've been calls to change my long distance ever since I had long distance, but the recruiters stopped after I was out of college. They're going for a narrow demographic and once you get past that then you don't have to deal with them again (till your kids get to that age). They were annoying, yes, but its not like I had them calling every day. And any 18 year old that's has a plan in life can that doesn't involve the military can say no very easily.
Just because, I don't approve of Bush's policies doesn't make denying the military the ability to recruit a good idea.
My guess is they either get annoyed at the consistent phone calling or they're afraid that there kids will be talked into joining somehow. It would be nice to hear their response.
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I agree we should have a mandatory service for the national guard/coast guard. Anything else I see as unessasary in our modern world though.
The military is necessary for national defense and humanitarian, peacekeeping missions, nothing else.
Swinging your pen0r around in these days is just asking for some nuke action. -we have been damn lucky.....
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Personally I'm not opposed to recruitment if the Recruiters are honest. Unfortunately Teenagers are highly impressionable and are easily swayed by sugar coated BS. I can't see where it would hurt to have a parent, teacher, counselor or guardian present when a recruiter speaks to them.
It does seem the Army is having a tough time filling it's quota of new recruits.
Army Having Difficulty Meeting Goals In Recruiting
I'm sure the fact that the odds are new recruits might get deployed to Iraq has something to do with that but it could also be that the Recruiters are being totally honest.
Heh, I got a call from the Army recruiters after I had joined the Navy (took my oath and everything), I thought I'd hear what he has to say, so I humored a few of his questions. Well first, his cell phone went off while he was on the phone with me (some stupid rap song ringtone), so he told me to hold on and ANSWERED HIS CELLPHONE. I immediately hung up, and he called back in a minute or two.
Well, I told him that his fellow soldiers had steered me away from the Army and told me to join one of the other branches (they did, I was a contractor on Fort Hood for a year, had some really good chats with some folks), to which he responded "They're just disgruntled!" I explained that these were soldiers with 15+ years in the service who loved their job more than anybody. He didn't really have a response for that. Eventually I broke the news to him that I had already joined the Navy, he was a little upset
but if the rest of the Army's recruiters are anything like him, they've got a long way to go to meet their quotas.When I went up to MEPS (military entrance processing), it was interesting to see so many kids joining the MARINES, far more than the Army\Navy\AF combined. One guy was 17 years old joining the Marines (meaning his parents signed off on it). Navy had the second most recruits, followed by Army, and just ONE Air Force guy (the dipsh!t)
Lots of nice motivated people.
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I'm sorry but who in this thread so far has said they were against military recruitment? Unwanted phone calls on the line that I pay for is my issue. When the guvment starts paying for that bill they can call all they want. Until then, don't call my house.
I am all for recruitment drives and job fairs etc. I think every high school in America should make it mandatory to sit through an assembly for an hour or two and allow the recruiters to give their "pitch" as it were. Would that be an acceptable solution to putting some sort of limits on recruiter/telemarketing?
Didn't say you were against recreuitment. Just wondered how you thought they could make their recruitment goals when you don't allow them to talk to your kids. Was it because you thought your 18 year old wasn't intelligent enough to make up his own mind or was it because you were annoyed about getting phone calls, or was it something else I hadn't though of.
"Unwanted phone calls on the line that I pay for is my issue. When the guvment starts paying for that bill they can call all they want. Until then, don't call my house."
Unless they're calling your cell phone, you don't pay for recieved calls, only calls made when using a land line. So if that's your beef, then they should be allowed to call your home phone number.
and what do you have any say init? if she is 18 you have to right to tell her what she can and can not do? does that make me cannon fodder? numbnutts
YOU LIberlas are fr4eaking PRICELESS..... Talk smakc al lday, crap on bush al lday, but are the biggest fvcking PU$$IES in the world..... hahahahah no wonder no one repsects any of you...thats fine...i dont want you in my army...you wouldnt make it a week through basic....
Men can't opt-out of SSS (but I'm sure some people would LOVE that). Phone calls aren't going to hurt you.
My parents did the same thing. Navy and Army were always calling our house. My dad would always answer and tell them "They're not interested," never asked if I wanted to talk to them.
That didn't stop me from walking into the recruiting office better take away your kid's car keys, or they might do the same thing!
My parents did the same thing. Navy and Army were always calling our house. My dad would always answer and tell them "They're not interested," never asked if I wanted to talk to them.
That didn't stop me from walking into the recruiting office
better take away your kid's car keys, or they might do the same thing!haliburton drives trucks and builds square buildings for our troops to live in....and the occasional pipeline over there...they also serve food to the troops, move ammo for ther troops, and setup computer netowkrs of rthe troops......they also oversee rebuilding roads, and schhols for iraq.... why know why i know, cause im going to be wokring for them in 6 months over there.... DONT BELIVE EVERYTHING YOU READ BBond....so yeah BBond explain to me....what does haiburton have to do with it?
Yeah, right, Halliburton is second in line only to Mother Theresa. :roll:
Tylaner suggested that anyone who believes this war is bringing profit to the USA has "a few screws loose."
Halliburton is profiting from this war. They have been accused of overcharging for meals and services never delivered as well as bribery and indeed have been found to be overcharging U.S. taxpayers who are funding this excercise in futility -- yet the military decided to let them keep the money they cheated us out of.
Clearly, someone in the USA is profiting from this invasion.
Read all about it.
Halliburton Watch
Exactly. Jenna and Barbara would make fine recruits. :thumbsup:
Exactly, I didn't raise someone foolish enough to even consider wanting to get killed for an idiot like George Bush. She's going to a premier school. I'm not sad or scared. I am angry.
Heh, right, Distinguished Service Cross in an unjustified and immoral war. Great. That would be lovely. :disgust:
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