Originally posted by: Oaf357
Too bad Ford only makes decent trucks and terrible cars.
Nice deal though, any other company doing something similar?
Wow! Now a deal like that is smoking hot!Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Additionally here in TN if you are stationed at the Navy base in Millington (Memphis) or at Ft. Campbell you don't pay state sales tax. (9.5%)
Yes Insurance is expensive but how is it overpriced. When I got mine a year ago I couldn't find a V6 190HP sports car with power everything, 6-cd changer MACH 460 (or equivalent), leather seats, ABS, traction control, 16" Rims under $22K out the door at .9% for 5 years (course it's better now) with Ford OEM alarm and 5 yr top level extended warranty.Originally posted by: Oaf357
Mustang...
Other than it being overpriced and underpowered, nothing.
That and the fact I like my insurance.
Originally posted by: Mysterie
Yes Insurance is expensive but how is it overpriced. When I got mine a year ago I couldn't find a V6 190HP sports car with power everything, 6-cd changer MACH 460 (or equivalent), leather seats, ABS, traction control, 16" Rims under $22K out the door at .9% for 5 years (course it's better now) with Ford OEM alarm and 5 yr top level extended warranty.Originally posted by: Oaf357
Mustang...
Other than it being overpriced and underpowered, nothing.
That and the fact I like my insurance.
Heck I couldn't even find a inline-4 Eclipse for that price.
It's one of the most inexpensive V6 sports cars out there, baring the Tiburon I think. And since I had a 95 Mustang previously with no problems, pretty darn reliable.
As for insurance, any V6 sports car with have higher premiums than most. If you can spare the extra dough and you want the Mustang spring for a convertible it has a lower premium than the coupe, at least with State Farm (something about most Vert mustangs being driven by women 25-40). It's also the cheapest V6 sports convertible (read that somewhere as to the reason for it popularity).
The Escapes are pretty good too. We also have one of those (it's a sibiling is the Mazda Tribute) and we love ours. Peppy V6 engine, doesn't bore me and I drive a stick. It's not too big but carries tons of stuff (ie. full sized assembled computer desk 50"Lx30"Wx30"H) especially with the back seat folded flat down. I find it much more comfortable than a CRV (never sat in a RAV4 so I can't compare), especially if you have to sit in the cargo space with another full grown adult (never try that in a CRV you'll hurt yourself like me, no cargo space).
190 HP... Come on man, my 1997 Toyota Camry V6 has 200 HP.
The Escape is a decent truck (I wish I would have bought it as opposed to a RAV-4 for the wife).
Originally posted by: vetteguy
Not sure about Ford, but with Chrysler if you're an immediate family member of an active or retired military person you are also eligible for the discount.
True, my 95 only had 145hp but with the amount of torque behind it's supposed was faster than the average Camry with the higher horsepower. I kinda think V6 Camry's used to have very little torque, my aunts always complained their car's didn't have the pick up of most vehicles especially accelerating, but I'm talking about pre-96. My aunt's 2002 Camry seems vastly improved as she complains about it less and I notice it accelerates faster. Also I always wondered with my newer 190HP Mustang I have less torque (probably sacraficed for more HP) but is it any faster than my older 95 Mustang with only 145HP but more torque.Originally posted by: Amploud
I have heard many people complain over the years about the HP of Ford engines compared with other cars. (If you are interested in performance, you should be comparing torque as well. I'd be curious to see the torque comparison with the Camry. There is also a factor called "torque rise" that is important for hard acceleration. No matter, this is not the point of my post.)
Anyway, Ford has been forced to "de-tune" many of their engines to meet CAFE standards. Actually, all auto makers are forced to do this and have been for years. However, Ford is affected more than any other and I will tell you why. Each auto maker must meet an average fuel mileage standard for their vehicle lineup. This is a composite number derived from the volume of all models sold by a company. Basically, a company that makes a lot of large, inefficient vehicles has to make up for it somewhere. Cars like the Focus help bring up the average mileage. Also, a "de-tuned" engine is another way to bring the mileage up.
Why does this affect Ford the most? Simple. They make more Class 1, 2, and 3 trucks than anyone. They also make many full size vans and many SUV's. Therefore, they have to do whatever they can to save fuel mileage. The V-6 Mustang was a likely victim of that train of thought.
The nice thing about this is that you can spend a little on performance parts and reclaim the lost HP. (And the insurance company never knows!)