Military action against Iran Watch...

[Thebobo]

They say that in the army that trump is mighty fine
but when you really meet him he smells like trupintime
Oh I don't want to be in Ttump's army now
please ma, they wont let me go
but ma i want to go
Please ma they wont let me go home.

 

[jana519]

Meanwhile, Hamas vows more attacks and the MSM tries to paint them as the victims. NO! They are a violent, ideologically driven bunch of terrorists. Israel is the only country in the region that doesn't want to murder gays and other LGBTQ, not to mention how they treat women. Those backward in time people have no alignment with modern times, zero. Europe and Germany are learning the hard way, these people do not assimilate well in modern culture. How they are behaving absolutely proves this. Animals.

Well it's clear you have no bias.

 

[zinfamous]

You are so full of shit. Previous presidents have promised to move the embassy to Jerusalem, including Bush and Obama. Trump kept his promise. Israel just wants to exist and live their lives. I stand with Israel before any radical Islamists. Those people are creating their own misery because they refuse to co-exist.
The Jerusalem Embassy Act was passed by congress in 1995.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

The Palestinians were dropped leaflets, warning them not to attempt any penetration or attacks on Israel. They did not heed the warning and any attacks would and have been met with counter attacks. It's not Trump's fault those people are acting like the animals they are. The Iran deal was a bad deal and the Iranian regime is not to be trusted as far as we can spit them. Yeah, peaceful types, promising to to wipe us out and shouting "death to America", and you leftists would rather side with them. SMH!

What's stopping you from flying over there to help Israelis shoot up some brown people? Scared of getting a few contusions from those rocks?

 

[zinfamous]

Much of America has been post-truth about Israel for a very long time. Their propaganda trade craft is second to none.

It's weird that there wasn't a single Jewish person in the land now called "Israel" prior to ~1910 or so for many many centuries, but somehow, strangely, those homeless "Palestinians" that just want their land back are the evil brown people, demanding away some land that their silly sky fairy didn't promise them, apparently.

So, they deserve death.

/The Ignorant American Right

 

[Jaskalas]

This is complete bullshit. Yesterday I watched an interview with Ehud Barak which confirmed that none of that info was new. There was no evidence of Iran violating any part of the agreement since it came into place and they are in full compliance with the terms.

But what would he know right? He's just another Iran sympathizer...

Which is exactly what I said in my second sentence. Not that you read it.

 

[Thebobo]

Isn't israel still in violation of many UN mandates from like 30 years ago?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Which is exactly what I said in my second sentence. Not that you read it.

You said they made a very convincing case. So if the entire presentation was bullshit, previously known information and presented no evidence that Iran was actually violating the agreement since its inception in any way how was it a convincing case?

Or did you mean that ironically?

 

[Rifter]

As much as the US going to war with Iran is a horrible idea if they keep doing shit like this its not going to be hard for Trump to justify it.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iranian-group-offers-100000-blow-new-u-s-embassy-jerusalem/

 

[hal2kilo]

As much as the US going to war with Iran is a horrible idea if they keep doing shit like this its not going to be hard for Trump to justify it.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iranian-group-offers-100000-blow-new-u-s-embassy-jerusalem/

That's an interesting tabloid. Never heard of it before.

 

[Rifter]

That's an interesting tabloid. Never heard of it before.

Me either but if that is a correct poster and translation thats not a good thing.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Me either but if that is a correct poster and translation thats not a good thing.

Yeah don’t post or read freebeacon. Like ever.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

President Trump was going to start a war with North Korea.

Hopefully not but the day is young. Kim has decided that he doesn't want to deal with SK after all. If this administration is so stupid that it couldn't have predicted Kim's response to a combined SK/US joint exercise while talking peaceful resolution then everything remains on the table as to what Trump might do.

 

[Rifter]

Yeah don’t post or read freebeacon. Like ever.

Good to know

 

[Jaskalas]

You said they made a very convincing case. So if the entire presentation was bullshit, previously known information and presented no evidence that Iran was actually violating the agreement since its inception in any way how was it a convincing case?

Or did you mean that ironically?

Well if you'd like to hash it out, it starts like this. Jhhnn took exception to the idea that Iran could resume their nuclear weapons program. As if they never started one in the first place. My OP was to clobber him on the head with the obvious reality of yes, Iran has a nuclear weapons program. Thus, of course it could be restarted. Don't deny it ever existed.

Israel's presentation was perfect, just dated. They clearly proved the existence of the weapons program, that part was not in dispute by anyone. The question of the JCPOA is a side story to the purpose of my post and my use of Israel's presentation. An earlier thread already informed me of Israel's deception with the timing, but that is not relevant to the point: Iran can resume their nuclear weapons program if America / Trump sabotages the JCPOA.

 

[woolfe9998]

It's weird that there wasn't a single Jewish person in the land now called "Israel" prior to ~1910 or so for many many centuries, but somehow, strangely, those homeless "Palestinians" that just want their land back are the evil brown people, demanding away some land that their silly sky fairy didn't promise them, apparently.

So, they deserve death.

/The Ignorant American Right

This is not accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

It varies depending on which year you look at. As of 1878, it looks like there were 20,000-25,000 Jews there, 15K were domestic and 5-10K foreign born as of that year.

 

[woolfe9998]

So far Trump has inflamed tensions in the Middle East, moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem resulting in the deaths of 50 Palestinians, pulled the US out of a peaceful nuclear arms deal with Iran, and appointed Iran hawks Pompeo and Bolton to his cabinet.

I'd say most reasonable people could look at these events and have legitimate cause for concern.

All valid concerns, but it's best not to make it a prediction or you run the risk of making a fool of yourself as others have done before. We don't know that Trump will start a war with Iran. He may, or he may not.

 

[Meghan54]

Well if you'd like to hash it out, it starts like this. Jhhnn took exception to the idea that Iran could resume their nuclear weapons program. As if they never started one in the first place. My OP was to clobber him on the head with the obvious reality of yes, Iran has a nuclear weapons program. Thus, of course it could be restarted. Don't deny it ever existed.

Israel's presentation was perfect, just dated. They clearly proved the existence of the weapons program, that part was not in dispute by anyone. The question of the JCPOA is a side story to the purpose of my post and my use of Israel's presentation. An earlier thread already informed me of Israel's deception with the timing, but that is not relevant to the point: Iran can resume their nuclear weapons program if America / Trump sabotages the JCPOA.

I don't think anyone has suggested that Iran never had.....HAD.....a nuclear weapons program. But that was effectively ended as Jhnnn pointed out. On the other hand, you seem to be using the past as representing the present, such as with your statement "...yes, Iran HAS a nuclear weapons program." It doesn't currently have an active program...doesn't have the proper resources to do that right now.

But you're suggesting, by using present tense in your sentence I quoted above, that Iran has never stopped their nuclear weapons program. That is false. The case that was made in Israel's presentation was absolutely zero except to simply tell history, as it presented no current facts.

Those are the problems that are being disagreed with, as you well know...and you didn't clobber anyone at any time, from what I've read.

 

[jana519]

All valid concerns, but it's best not to make it a prediction or you run the risk of making a fool of yourself as others have done before. We don't know that Trump will start a war with Iran. He may, or he may not.

For sure. For the record I didn't say there will be a war. I said there's legitimate cause for concern of war. Definitely too early to say at this point though, you're right about that.

 

[MrSquished]

For sure. For the record I didn't say there will be a war. I said there's legitimate cause for concern of war. Definitely too early to say at this point though, you're right about that.

Exactly. This is a military action WATCH. Similar to a tornado watch. They don't always happen but the stage is certainly being set.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't think anyone has suggested that Iran never had.....HAD.....a nuclear weapons program. But that was effectively ended as Jhnnn pointed out. On the other hand, you seem to be using the past as representing the present, such as with your statement "...yes, Iran HAS a nuclear weapons program." It doesn't currently have an active program...doesn't have the proper resources to do that right now.

But you're suggesting, by using present tense in your sentence I quoted above, that Iran has never stopped their nuclear weapons program. That is false. The case that was made in Israel's presentation was absolutely zero except to simply tell history, as it presented no current facts.

Those are the problems that are being disagreed with, as you well know...and you didn't clobber anyone at any time, from what I've read.

Thank you. He wants to believe Bibi so badly that he does, ya know?

Bibi's deceptive fear mongering dovetails perfectly with Trump's, of course. He set the stage for Trump's denouncement of the Iran deal. They're both doing it for domestic political purposes, of course.

Meanwhile, Iran's nuclear facilities are under strict IAEA supervision so what ever they do in the short term we'll know about. They have the option of renouncing the NPT & doing whatever they want as a sovereign state, of course, now that the JCPOA no longer applies. Why doesn't it? Reasons, of course, reasons that only Trumpsters can understand apparently. Because they're really smart.

 

[Jaskalas]

On the other hand, you seem to be using the past as representing the present, such as with your statement "...yes, Iran HAS a nuclear weapons program." It doesn't currently have an active program...doesn't have the proper resources to do that right now.

Well, if we're going to play with tense and frames of reference, here they are as I see them:

Past: They had a nuclear weapons program.
Present: Their nuclear weapons program is on pause.
Future: The can resume their nuclear weapons program.

That should be consistent with what I've said. My contention with Jhhnn is that, yes, they can resume their program.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, if we're going to play with tense and frames of reference, here they are as I see them:

Past: They had a nuclear weapons program.
Present: Their nuclear weapons program is on pause.
Future: The can resume their nuclear weapons program.

That should be consistent with what I've said. My contention with Jhhnn is that, yes, they can resume their program.

Not while following the terms of the current NPT or the JCPOA which they have verifiably been doing. Trump relieved them of any obligation to follow the latter. They can enrich as much 20% U235 as they want under the NPT as can anybody. Taking it to weapons grade from there apparently isn't nearly as difficult as getting to 20%. It remains to be seen if the other participants can provide Iran sufficient incentive to stay on the non-proliferation course or not.

If Trump thinks it's such a lousy deal, why didn't he try to negotiate a better one? What does he want from it that we don't already have?

 

[1prophet]

It's weird that there wasn't a single Jewish person in the land now called "Israel" prior to ~1910 or so for many many centuries, but somehow, strangely, those homeless "Palestinians" that just want their land back are the evil brown people, demanding away some land that their silly sky fairy didn't promise them, apparently.

So, they deserve death.

/The Ignorant American Right

Is that the same Ignorant American Right that hates Jews and doesn't consider them white but when pretend liberals want to defend their favorite sky-fairy middle east religious right followers they are poor oppressed brown people and the Jews magically become evil white Nazis?

But what's really weird when it comes to ignorance in the Internet age is how some people can still parrot the bullshit they want to believe

It's weird that there wasn't a single Jewish person in the land now called "Israel" prior to ~1910 or so for many many centuries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews

Prior to dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire, the population of the area comprising modern Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip was not exclusively Muslim. Under the Empire's rule in the mid-16th century, there were no more than 10,000 Jews in Palestine,[2] making up around 5% of the population. By the mid-19th century, Turkish sources recorded that 80% of the 600,000-strong population was identified as Muslim, 10% as Christian Arab and 5–7% as Jewish.[3]

The situation of the Jewish community in Palestine was more complicated than in neighbouring Arab countries.[4] Whereas in Yemen, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, communities were largely homogeneous in ethnic and confessional terms, in Palestine in the 19th century, Jewish pilgrims and European Christian colonial projects attracted large numbers of Ashkenazi immigrants from Eastern Europe and Sephardic groups from Bulgaria, Turkey and North Africa.[4] The Jews of Palestine were not exclusively of Iberian origins, and included substantial Yiddish speaking communities who had established themselves in Palestine centuries earlier.[4] A major catalyst in Palestinian Judaism is haNasi, who was a wealthy rabbi. He was in good standing with Roman authority figures, which aided in his ascent to being the Patriarch of the Jewish community in Palestine.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Yeah don’t post or read freebeacon. Like ever.

But I like bacon...

 

[MomentsofSanity]

But I like bacon...

mmmmm... free bacon.....