Military action against Iran Watch...

[MrSquished]

What do you think? Within 2018 or within another calendar year? Or maybe 2? Takers?

 

[JSt0rm]

2019 will be the year. Then trump will be a war president into the election. He will also want to shore up nkso he wont have to worry about 2 wars.

What man baby doesnt want to blow shit up? Its like a giant RTS that only the president gets to control. fun.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Iran would have to be the one attacking. I don't see Iran committing to war until their military gets up to date. North Korea, China, and Russia thus need to up to date as well. Since, basically everything Iranian military-wise are rebrands from NK/China/Russia. There is also some deals with Russia/NK/China and ECO(Economic Cooperation Organization) countries in regards to military pacts.

Trump is definitely getting played, while Israel is losing power in the region. With that, if Israel fails to attack in the next week they are done for(1). Free-trade in the open, military alliance behind closed doors.

(1) Iran will have access with most modern military advancements when the agreement settles. Iran is also in the most ideal position of cession to annexation of neighboring states.

 

[JSt0rm]

it does seem like iran will now get to resume nuke production AND get to trade with most of the world. Good job trump. You smart.

 

[blankslate]

Netanyahu will get his war because Trump will react to flattery from him the way a dog reacts to having his belly rubbed.


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[Puffnstuff]

it does seem like iran will now get to resume nuke production AND get to trade with most of the world. Good job trump. You smart.

Obviously its the product of a stable genius.

Netanyahu will get his war because Trump will react to flattery from him the way a dog reacts to having his belly rubbed.


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I"m waiting for Ronny Jackson to present Trump with his own special branded talking flattery scale so he can step up on it every morning and listen to the Ron spew BS about how fantastic he is. Of course it has to subtract 50lbs off his weight right off the bat while projecting strong rays of sunshine up his bathrobe.

 

[Jhhnn]

it does seem like iran will now get to resume nuke production AND get to trade with most of the world. Good job trump. You smart.

Resume? They never produced nukes because they never produced HEU to make them.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Resume? They never produced nukes because they never produced HEU to make them.

Iran did produce HEU before June 2004. Iran destroyed the facility by demands of US/UN. Didn't have the military agreements to succeed a war with the US. Sometime after though they sent their HEU and ICBM R&D to North Korea.

 

[Jaskalas]

Resume? They never produced nukes because they never produced HEU to make them.

Israel made a very convincing case for a Nuclear Weapons Program. The only complaint about the presentation was that its timeline was misrepresented in an attempt to break the Iran deal. Fact is, we know Iran is on a course similar to North Korea, as any opponent in their right mind would be.

 

[glenn1]

2019 will be the year. Then trump will be a war president into the election. He will also want to shore up nkso he wont have to worry about 2 wars.

What man baby doesnt want to blow shit up? Its like a giant RTS that only the president gets to control. fun.

Keep on saying that and maybe some decade you’ll be correct. Maybe you guys should have a race with dmcowen’s “$10 gas coming” to see whose unfounded concerns come true first. Amazing how these types of threads basically 100% overlap with which party is in charge of the White House. You might actually think these threads were politically motivated or something.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/is-this-the-beginning-of-the-war-with-iran.1529107/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/iran-war-countdown-thread.2210361/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/will-we-go-to-war-with-iran.1667794/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/is-war-with-iran-next.1262334/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/how-will-the-necons-sell-the-war-the-war-with-iran.1917849/

And dozens more threads on the same subject, I stopped after this representative sample.

 

[Jhhnn]

Israel made a very convincing case for a Nuclear Weapons Program. The only complaint about the presentation was that its timeline was misrepresented in an attempt to break the Iran deal. Fact is, we know Iran is on a course similar to North Korea, as any opponent in their right mind would be.

Bullshit. Iran mothballed their enrichment facilities, agreed to a 10 year moratorium, sold off their stocks of LEU, agreed to IAEA supervision in perpetuity, filled the unfinished Arak reactor with concrete. Their cooperation wrt nuclear matters has been complete under the JCPOA.

What happened back in 2003 & earlier became utterly immaterial when that happened.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Israel made a very convincing case for a Nuclear Weapons Program. The only complaint about the presentation was that its timeline was misrepresented in an attempt to break the Iran deal. Fact is, we know Iran is on a course similar to North Korea, as any opponent in their right mind would be.

This is complete bullshit. Yesterday I watched an interview with Ehud Barak which confirmed that none of that info was new. There was no evidence of Iran violating any part of the agreement since it came into place and they are in full compliance with the terms.

But what would he know right? He's just another Iran sympathizer...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I don't expect much.

 

[brandonbull]

What do you think? Within 2018 or within another calendar year? Or maybe 2? Takers?

Sorry, but you will have to wait until after Trump attacks North Korea.

 

[K1052]

Israel and Iran will fight it out in Syria (among other places) first before direct conflict would erupt.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'm calling late September, with a couple of months of buildup of rhetoric. August we'll get a lot of discussion, and throughout the summer we'll probably have intelligence feeding the media evidence of human rights violations and other things (so the media can cry foul about the nuclear deal and call for action, but they can't ignore that type of stuff either or else it'll undermine them). Turmp will suddenly do a 180 though and be both praising the media for "getting it right for a change" and probably lauding the leaks, saying sometimes they're good, but that people wouldn't believe them if it came from him.

In early-mid September we'll say Iran must appease us and agree to let us have unfettered access to everything (knowing they obviously won't, and then they'll go "what are you hiding?!?!?") push. Iran will cry foul, we'll probably get a split UN, which we'll ignore (could even see Turmp "temporarily pulling us out of the UN" over it) but we'll go ahead anyway. We'll have a big vote in Congress shortly after, where it'll be framed as "you're either a real American and with us, or you're against us" ploy for the elections to try and stall Democrats.

It'll start out as missiles and bombings. They want a big show of American force for the rah-rah, but they also want to be able to claim that this won't be like Iraq, so they'll keep boots on the ground to a minimum (while they quietly build up forces in the region, they'll say its for contingency and other things, claim they're not planning on a full scale attack/rollout like Iraq). They'll keep that up through the end of the year, keep "pushing for diplomatic solution" and "negotiations", maybe even a ceasefire around the end of the year. Depending on how the election goes, they'll either call for full declaration of war and go in guns blazing (if Republicans keep control) or they'll try to keep things on a simmer while they keep hounding on atrocities - possibly even look to fabricate or partially fabricate some like the first Gulf War - until 2020 so that they can try and get Americans to support it. If it looks like Turmp is going out, they'll look to end things quick (meaning they'll look for decisive end to Iranian regime so that it can't be halted by a new President). If its looking positive, they'll try to look like crusaders liberating Iran and the region (and the world) of the extremists, to help him win re-election.

Israel and Iran will fight it out in Syria (among other places) first before direct conflict would erupt.

They already have been doing that. Its why we're seeing an attempt to escalate it. Israel has been purposefully trying to stir things up to trigger a situation that can't be ignored. They want the US to handle Iran, so they can then roll on Hezbollah and others and try and finish them off (with Iran busy or being toppled they won't be able to help them). And then they'll be able to focus on the Palestinians. I could see Israel carving out a chunk of Syria or Lebanon and try to force the Palestinians there so they can claim Israel wholly (or maybe wholly holy) for themselves. So they'd find dual justification of destroying Hezbollah. "Now Palestinians properly have their own country, and it doesn't impede on ours, ending that problem!"

 

[jana519]

Keep on saying that and maybe some decade you’ll be correct. Maybe you guys should have a race with dmcowen’s “$10 gas coming” to see whose unfounded concerns come true first. Amazing how these types of threads basically 100% overlap with which party is in charge of the White House. You might actually think these threads were politically motivated or something.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/is-this-the-beginning-of-the-war-with-iran.1529107/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/iran-war-countdown-thread.2210361/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/will-we-go-to-war-with-iran.1667794/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/is-war-with-iran-next.1262334/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/how-will-the-necons-sell-the-war-the-war-with-iran.1917849/

And dozens more threads on the same subject, I stopped after this representative sample.

So far Trump has inflamed tensions in the Middle East, moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem resulting in the deaths of 50 Palestinians, pulled the US out of a peaceful nuclear arms deal with Iran, and appointed Iran hawks Pompeo and Bolton to his cabinet.

I'd say most reasonable people could look at these events and have legitimate cause for concern.

 

[compuwiz1]

So far Trump has inflamed tensions in the Middle East, moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem resulting in the deaths of 50 Palestinians, pulled the US out of a peaceful nuclear arms deal with Iran, and appointed Iran hawks Pompeo and Bolton to his cabinet.

I'd say most reasonable people could look at these events and have legitimate cause for concern.

You are so full of shit. Previous presidents have promised to move the embassy to Jerusalem, including Bush and Obama. Trump kept his promise. Israel just wants to exist and live their lives. I stand with Israel before any radical Islamists. Those people are creating their own misery because they refuse to co-exist.
The Jerusalem Embassy Act was passed by congress in 1995.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

The Palestinians were dropped leaflets, warning them not to attempt any penetration or attacks on Israel. They did not heed the warning and any attacks would and have been met with counter attacks. It's not Trump's fault those people are acting like the animals they are. The Iran deal was a bad deal and the Iranian regime is not to be trusted as far as we can spit them. Yeah, peaceful types, promising to to wipe us out and shouting "death to America", and you leftists would rather side with them. SMH!

 

[Puffnstuff]

^^^All of this is a sign of the times we live in which the word states will be as it was in the Days of Noah.^^^

 

[compuwiz1]

Meanwhile, Hamas vows more attacks and the MSM tries to paint them as the victims. NO! They are a violent, ideologically driven bunch of terrorists. Israel is the only country in the region that doesn't want to murder gays and other LGBTQ, not to mention how they treat women. Those backward in time people have no alignment with modern times, zero. Europe and Germany are learning the hard way, these people do not assimilate well in modern culture. How they are behaving absolutely proves this. Animals.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is Iran

This is Iraq.

 

[Jhhnn]

You are so full of shit. Previous presidents have promised to move the embassy to Jerusalem, including Bush and Obama. Trump kept his promise. Israel just wants to exist and live their lives. I stand with Israel before any radical Islamists. Those people are creating their own misery because they refuse to co-exist.
The Jerusalem Embassy Act was passed by congress in 1995.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

The Palestinians were dropped leaflets, warning them not to attempt any penetration or attacks on Israel. They did not heed the warning and any attacks would and have been met with counter attacks. It's not Trump's fault those people are acting like the animals they are. The Iran deal was a bad deal and the Iranian regime is not to be trusted as far as we can spit them. Yeah, peaceful types, promising to to wipe us out and shouting "death to America", and you leftists would rather side with them. SMH!

Much of America has been post-truth about Israel for a very long time. Their propaganda trade craft is second to none.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm calling late September, with a couple of months of buildup of rhetoric. August we'll get a lot of discussion, and throughout the summer we'll probably have intelligence feeding the media evidence of human rights violations and other things (so the media can cry foul about the nuclear deal and call for action, but they can't ignore that type of stuff either or else it'll undermine them). Turmp will suddenly do a 180 though and be both praising the media for "getting it right for a change" and probably lauding the leaks, saying sometimes they're good, but that people wouldn't believe them if it came from him.

In early-mid September we'll say Iran must appease us and agree to let us have unfettered access to everything (knowing they obviously won't, and then they'll go "what are you hiding?!?!?") push. Iran will cry foul, we'll probably get a split UN, which we'll ignore (could even see Turmp "temporarily pulling us out of the UN" over it) but we'll go ahead anyway. We'll have a big vote in Congress shortly after, where it'll be framed as "you're either a real American and with us, or you're against us" ploy for the elections to try and stall Democrats.

It'll start out as missiles and bombings. They want a big show of American force for the rah-rah, but they also want to be able to claim that this won't be like Iraq, so they'll keep boots on the ground to a minimum (while they quietly build up forces in the region, they'll say its for contingency and other things, claim they're not planning on a full scale attack/rollout like Iraq). They'll keep that up through the end of the year, keep "pushing for diplomatic solution" and "negotiations", maybe even a ceasefire around the end of the year. Depending on how the election goes, they'll either call for full declaration of war and go in guns blazing (if Republicans keep control) or they'll try to keep things on a simmer while they keep hounding on atrocities - possibly even look to fabricate or partially fabricate some like the first Gulf War - until 2020 so that they can try and get Americans to support it. If it looks like Turmp is going out, they'll look to end things quick (meaning they'll look for decisive end to Iranian regime so that it can't be halted by a new President). If its looking positive, they'll try to look like crusaders liberating Iran and the region (and the world) of the extremists, to help him win re-election.



They already have been doing that. Its why we're seeing an attempt to escalate it. Israel has been purposefully trying to stir things up to trigger a situation that can't be ignored. They want the US to handle Iran, so they can then roll on Hezbollah and others and try and finish them off (with Iran busy or being toppled they won't be able to help them). And then they'll be able to focus on the Palestinians. I could see Israel carving out a chunk of Syria or Lebanon and try to force the Palestinians there so they can claim Israel wholly (or maybe wholly holy) for themselves. So they'd find dual justification of destroying Hezbollah. "Now Palestinians properly have their own country, and it doesn't impede on ours, ending that problem!"

What targets will we initially strike? We don't have weapons to penetrate their more important facilities. Boots on the ground? Sure if you insist. Of course the entire nation of Persians (note that term, not Iranians) will turn hostile and that will require a draft because our combined forces aren't enough to deal with Iran. That's not happening, Trump or no Trump. So not enough people, terrain which is far more hostile than Iraq with a people far more threatening than those in Afghanistan.

Then the Republicans will be fighting a war that will lose them their corporate fat cats because Trump will have attacked a key oil producer.

I suppose Trump could launch a few missiles which would have less effect than in Syria and completely fuck our relations with the rest of the planet, far more than they are now. The fall out will be the cluster after a token attack which will be serious but this isn't going to be another Iraq.

 

[brandonbull]

So far Trump has inflamed tensions in the Middle East, moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem resulting in the deaths of 50 Palestinians, pulled the US out of a peaceful nuclear arms deal with Iran, and appointed Iran hawks Pompeo and Bolton to his cabinet.

I'd say most reasonable people could look at these events and have legitimate cause for concern.

Did someone run over those 50 Palestinians with the new embassy? Did Israel decide to kill 50 Palestinians as part of the embassy moving celebration?

 

[IJTSSG]

Same geniuses that said President Trump was going to start a war with North Korea.