Might want to rethink the ink...

JulesMaximus

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She arrives quietly, coming in from the rain after work. She lies down on her stomach atop a sleek, white reclining chair. She lifts her shirt and tugs down her jeans slightly.

It’s enough to unveil a large pink flower tattoo with fat, webby green leaves, which she’s here to have lasered off her lower back. She wants to become a mother someday, and she doesn’t want her children to see this. The process could take up to 10 sessions, she says. She pauses. Then she starts crying.



“I was only 18. It was a homemade tattoo done at a party,” says Lizeth Pleitez, 30, who quickly dries her eyes. Her voice is shaking. “I wasn’t thinking about what it meant, you know? Little did I know it meant something else — like people calling it a ‘tramp stamp.’ I’m a Pentecostal, and the body is a temple. And I felt really ashamed.”



If tattoos are the marks of an era — declarations of love, of loss, of triumph, of youthful exuberance or youthful foolishness — then tattoo removals are about regret, confessions that those landmarks are in the past. They’re about the realization that whatever you believed in with such force that you wanted it eternally branded on your skin is now foreign to you.

According to the Pew Research Center, more than 40 percent of Americans between the ages of 26 and 40 have at least one tattoo. Getting a tattoo, once the province of sailors rather than suburbanites, is so mainstream that tats are inked at the mall and seen on everyone from Middle American mothers to H Street hipsters to Hollywood starlets.

Perhaps not surprisingly, a parallel trend is emerging: tattoo removal, with dozens of businesses and training schools opening across the country. Some are headed by entrepreneurs such as Ryan Lambert, who has a Harvard degree and launched a tattoo-removal training school at New Looks Laser College in Houston. He also manufactures tattoo-removal lasers.

In Washington, Ken Saler, a 61-year-old, semi-retired real estate maverick has reinvented himself. His Advanced Laser Tattoo Removal office sits above a Baskin-Robbins ice cream store on Connecticut Avenue NW and has a steady stream of customers, all trying to dial back their everlasting tributes.

“We have a client who has ‘Steve’ tattooed on her chest. But now she’s marrying Dennis,” says Saler, whose bright white office features framed Grateful Dead posters and a print of Norman Rockwell’s “The Tattooist,” in which a heavily tatted-up sailor is having his sixth romantic conquest’s name scratched off his arm, and a seventh inked on, with an evil-looking needle.

Tattooing was once considered audacious, powerful and rebellious, precisely because of its permanence.

But for a generation that has come of age during an unprecedented revolution in medical technology, tattoo removal by a super-powered laser seems like a facelift for young people, a chance to start over, erase, rewind. Like deleting a bad photo from a digital camera or defriending a Facebook friend.

“It was such an underserved market,” says Christian Slavin, 54, who has an MBA from Harvard and owns Zapatat in Arlington County, which opened in September. “The difference between the regret rate and the removal rate is huge.”

While older lasers burned off the skin, Slavin’s new model interacts only with the ink and “makes it shake and makes it break,” he says. But it still hurts — it feels like hot rubber bands snapping against your skin, most removers say — and often is more painful than getting a tattoo.

“When it’s all said and done, I’m just not that guy anymore,” says Corey Newman, 29, who is getting married in May and wanted to get three tattoos removed: his left arm’s panther, his right shoulder blade’s bull, and two small Chinese characters on his right leg. He is spending $2,500 to take off tattoos that cost $600 to put on. (Which might explain why tattoo removers tend to be better dressed and better paid than tattoo artists.)



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“I am starting a new life now,” he says. “There’s a big difference between being 19 and 29.”

Part of what made tattooing cool was its outlaw vibe: the Harley biker, the heavy-metal drummer, the ex-con. http://abcnews.go.com/International/Afghanistan/slideshow/photos-tattoos-military-9269824Part of what makes tattooing uncool is its ubiquity. Newman recently went to Rehoboth Beach, Del., for the weekend, and “every Tom, Dick and Harry had a tattoo, and it looked ridiculous. I started the removal sessions right after that.”

It’s a little like Dr. Seuss’s “The Sneetches.” In the children’s classic, Sylvester McMonkey McBean sells the Sneetches a star machine for $3. Once there are too many star-bellied Sneetches, he tells them about his “star-off” machine, which costs $10.

A fresh start

During a recent week, Saler’s appointment book included distraught mothers dragging their daughters in; ex-gang members with street tats who don’t want to be killed; professional women who are applying for office jobs; and African immigrants who want to get their tribal markings removed. Saler, who has a long face and tiny eyes under curly, graying hair, typically works in an oversize Cosby sweater and jeans.

“I have a lab coat,” he says. “But the sweater makes people feel more comfortable. They already arrive with a lot of anxiety and expectations.”
This being Washington, his office draws aspiring CIA and FBI agents, along with other law enforcement operatives. If they go undercover, they can’t risk being identified by their tattoos.

As it happens, Saler is the product of a fresh start. When the real estate market crashed, he was looking for a growth industry and heard about tattoo removal. He took a two-week course to become a certified laser specialist at Rocky Mountain Laser College in Colorado, and he invested in a Quanta Q-Plus laser, which has a $90,000 price tag. The laser is on wheels and looks a little like a photocopy machine with a probe attached.

Saler’s bright office is on the second floor of a walk-up that houses several mental health therapists, “a back-up plan not lost on me, if people need therapy before or after,” he says with a chuckle. His Facebook page advertises “Tramp Stamp Tuesdays” and $50 ring-finger tattoo removals after a breakup.


Emotional pain, physical pain


On a rainy Tuesday, Dave Adams, 36, a musician and massage therapist, goes to Saler to have three neck tattoos removed. They are religious symbols, and there’s one on each side of his neck: a Star of David, a Hindu yantra and an upside-down cross.



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“Tattoos were viewed as forever. But now I like the idea that I can treat the skin like an artist can treat a canvas,” he says, adding that he loves and respects tattoo work and expects to get more. “But I just got these too quickly. I feel like they are jumping off my neck.”

Then the burly, tattoo-faced Wayne Stokes, 34, arrives. He’s on his sixth session of a removal that might take up to 25.

He has tattoos on his face, neck, hands and chest. Both eyes are encircled by a black leopardlike Maori-inspired design, which is based on the tattoo sported by boxer Mike Tyson. The tops of his hands spell out S-U-F-F-E-R-I-N-G when he holds them side by side. The left side of his neck says “Life,” the back of his neck says “Is,” and the right side says “Pain.”

He started getting tattoos when he was 16. He says he grew up in rough neighborhoods in Baltimore, suffered abuse at the hands of his father and was threatened outside his home, too: by drugs, by peers on the streets.
“Subconsciously I was creating an image to keep people at bay and away from me. I wanted to look tough,” he says. “People ask me every day, ‘Why did you do it? Why did you put yourself through that pain of tattooing your entire face?’ I’ve realized I don’t have to keep that trauma on my body.”
He’s gone through a lot of therapy. He works as a cook, but when the tattoos are off, he wants to mentor abused kids.

Now that the painful decision to get rid of the tattoos is over, the physical pain begins. He prays in the bathroom for strength. He gets into the chair and squeezes a ball as the laser hits his skin, turning parts of it red and then frosted white as the ink crystallizes into smaller particles that will be removed by his body’s immune system over the next few weeks. The laser emits a green light, and the room smells a little bit like burned hair.

Saler uses a hose — known as the “Zimmer Cryo cooler” — to blow air onto the skin and deaden the sensation. “Each time, I get [part of] it removed, it’s like I can exhale,” Stokes says. “Sometimes I do dread coming in. But it’s the end result.

“I want to look in the mirror and see myself again.”


If tattoos are the marks of an era — declarations of love, of loss, of triumph, of youthful exuberance or youthful foolishness — then tattoo removals are about regret, confessions that those landmarks are in the past. They’re about the realization that whatever you believed in with such force that you wanted it eternally branded on your skin is now foreign to you.

More like the mark of stupidity...
 

Doppel

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Tats are almost uniformly vile on anybody to be honest. Generally the older you are, the more of them you have, and the more visible they are the more you failed.
 

KlokWyze

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my gf has too really small ones. I don't really care about those, but I think tats in general, especially full sleeves, etc. make you look a bit retuhded.
 

olds

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I don't find women with more than one or two SMALL tattoos attractive.
 

kranky

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There's a woman at work who is getting one removed from her ankle. It was apparently a logo of System of a Down. In college in 2005, she thought they were the greatest band ever. Now she has a professional job and it looks ridiculous (her words). Probably going to cost a couple grand.
 

JulesMaximus

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There's a woman at work who is getting one removed from her ankle. It was apparently a logo of System of a Down. In college in 2005, she thought they were the greatest band ever. Now she has a professional job and it looks ridiculous (her words). Probably going to cost a couple grand.

Well, in all fairness, System of a Down is the greatest band ever. :wub:

But there is still no way in hell I'd get a SOAD tattoo. :p
 

Kadarin

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I've got nothing against small artful and tasteful tattoos on a girl. However, it can get very excessive very quickly.
 

Bateluer

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From the tattoos noted in the article, it sounds like people just need to put some thought into the tattoo. Getting names of girl/boy friends is idiotic, always has been. Same with band logos and such. Also, home made tattoo at a party? WTF?! Go to a tattoo artist, not your neighbor's cousin that slaps ink as a side gig.

I have three unique tattoos, both my ribs and my leg. All look awesome and all are easily coverable in an overly prissy environment. Next summer, I'm going going to get a 4th, some kind of running tattoo. Not sure exactly what or where yet though.

The right tattoo on the right person is incredibly attractive though.
 

manimal

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I always wanted the face of a bengal tiger on my butt cheeks but I was worried I would outgrow that desire.

Turns out I was wrong. I still think it would be cool as shnit.
 

Eli

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I have nothing against tattoos, but the article is precisely why I've never gotten one. I can't think of anything that I'd truly want on me for the rest of my life.

Though I've often thought a caffeine molecule (C8H10N4O2) would be pretty cool. :D
 

Double Trouble

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I can't imagine anything I'd want permanently on my skin, even more so when you're still young and stupid. Thank God I never did that.

I don't think there's anything wrong with a small tattoo or something, if it's somewhere where it can be hidden with normal clothing. If you have lots of tattoos or ones in places that can't be hidden (neck, fact, hands, etc), forget getting a job in a field like finance, accounting, actuary studies, legal etc. You either get them removed or choose a new field.
 

Oyeve

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The two tats that i have i created myself around 20 years ago. They can only be seen when i am without a shirt. And both are unique and tasteful.
 

Bateluer

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If you have lots of tattoos or ones in places that can't be hidden (neck, fact, hands, etc), forget getting a job in a field like finance, accounting, actuary studies, legal etc. You either get them removed or choose a new field.

Wonder how much this will change over the next decade or so, as more and more people get tattoos and work their way into management combined with the old management retiring.

There's definitely a lot of really idiotic looking tattoos you can get on visible areas that advertise you to be an idiot, but they don't necessarily mean you can't do the job effectively.
 

Rage187

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I have a couple on my right upper arm I would love to have removed. The one on my left arm and back (which i got a few months ago) can stay, for the moment at least.

I'll wait till it is less painful though.
 

edro

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My instant stereotype of women with ANY tattoo is that they are trash.
It takes a while for me to overcome that first impression.
 

dabuddha

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I personally would never get a tattoo but I have no problems with them at all. And they can look good on some folks too. Folks that assume something about someone just because they have some ink are just close minded morons.
 

KidNiki1

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From the tattoos noted in the article, it sounds like people just need to put some thought into the tattoo. Getting names of girl/boy friends is idiotic, always has been. Same with band logos and such. Also, home made tattoo at a party? WTF?! Go to a tattoo artist, not your neighbor's cousin that slaps ink as a side gig.

I have three unique tattoos, both my ribs and my leg. All look awesome and all are easily coverable in an overly prissy environment. Next summer, I'm going going to get a 4th, some kind of running tattoo. Not sure exactly what or where yet though.

The right tattoo on the right person is incredibly attractive though.


+1
 

SP33Demon

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Depends on your age. In your 20's, tattoo = badboy to women. Being a family man, I could see why you'd want to get rid of one. It depends on your goals.
 

JulesMaximus

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From the tattoos noted in the article, it sounds like people just need to put some thought into the tattoo. Getting names of girl/boy friends is idiotic, always has been. Same with band logos and such. Also, home made tattoo at a party? WTF?! Go to a tattoo artist, not your neighbor's cousin that slaps ink as a side gig.

I have three unique tattoos, both my ribs and my leg. All look awesome and all are easily coverable in an overly prissy environment. Next summer, I'm going going to get a 4th, some kind of running tattoo. Not sure exactly what or where yet though.

The right tattoo on the right person is incredibly attractive though.

I can honestly say that I've NEVER seen a tattoo that I thought enhanced or made a person more attractive in any way whatsoever.
 

KidNiki1

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I can honestly say that I've NEVER seen a tattoo that I thought enhanced or made a person more attractive in any way whatsoever.


And I can honestly say that I have.

Different strokes for different folks and all that. :D