MiG-21 for sale on ebay.

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Dunno if gas is necessarily the problem. but temperature is. I worked at VolvoAero and saw a turbine test of the swedish Gripen fighterplane. I dont remember the fuel throughput using the afterburner but they said after about 9 min the turbine starts to melt!

In most fighters, that is true... But then they are not meant to fly that fast for that long anyway. Mach 2 flight is used in combat, for escape or rapid closure to the target. The F-22 is able to fly supersonic without the use of afterburners, so it can maintain Mach 1.2 for over an hour without any problems.

The SR-71 of course can do it for 90 minutes because the engines were designed to do that.

Grasshopper

 

[jackwhitter]

of course, the plane (sr-71) was built out of titanium alloys to help with the heat GENERATED when traveling at mach 3.2 for 90 minutes.. when the plane lands, they have to let it cool before doing anything to it...

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: jackwhitter
of course, the plane (sr-71) was built out of titanium alloys to help with the heat GENERATED when traveling at mach 3.2 for 90 minutes.. when the plane lands, they have to let it cool before doing anything to it...

True, and we really should write a thank you letter to the USSR for selling us the titanium to build the 55 SR-71s. The CIA used dummy companies to buy it from them. Stupid Ruskies!

BTW, the SR-71 also stretches 11 inches in flight due to the heat. The best performance was obtained at Mach 3.2 at 91,000ft. Believe it or not, it burned more fuel at Mach 3.0 than it did at 3.2, and it could do 3.6 in short bursts if needed. Over 1,000 missiles were shot at the SR-71 during its service life, many actually came quite close. The trick was however that at Mach 3.2, it was faster than the explosion from the missile's warhead (which didn't explode on contact, rather just when close behind, and simply flew away from the blast.

Given what is known about the SR-71 today, it is probably that someone could shoot one down. The plane was three generations ahead of its time, but that was 30 years ago. Today it is still quite impressive, but I'm willing to bet we have something else out there that does a better job.

Grasshopper

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Anyone got a proxy bid standing on this?

Anyway, MIGs tend to have awkward turning speed, but are fast and have a heavy arsenal besides that. F-xx turns a lot faster, but for that purpose needs to be lighter and therefor has less weaponry.

 

[NewSc2]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Anyone got a proxy bid standing on this?

Anyway, MIGs tend to have awkward turning speed, but are fast and have a heavy arsenal besides that. F-xx turns a lot faster, but for that purpose needs to be lighter and therefor has less weaponry.

Ah, well I guess forget this auction then, I'm buying myself an F-16. It's handling all the way for me baby.

 

[element]

but I'm willing to bet we have something else out there that does a better job

Yeah its called a satellite. The SR-71 as everyone knows was a spy plane. Now the spying is done by satellites.

 

[Analog]

$10,000 to ship???? This should be in the hot-deals forum!

 

[StageLeft]

Nothing like using ex-military aircraft to ensure a quick and hastey trip to a coffin!

Auction reserve for this plane is below market value

Yeah Ijust checked the kelly blue book on it!

 

[rh71]

Grasshopper what do you do for a living? Or is it just a hobby ?

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: rh71
Grasshopper what do you do for a living? Or is it just a hobby ?

I'm a commercial helicopter pilot, I fly Bell 206 & 407 helicopters for an air charter service. I'm also a fixed-wing pilot, but I don't use that in my profession.

BTW, this thing is also for sale outright here:

http://www.aso.com/i.aso/AdView.jsp?aircraft_id=60731

Asking price is $199,000. You probably could pick this up for $180K if you bargined for it... A bit high, but it also seems to be in good shape so you never know...

Grasshopper

 

[Grasshopper27]

Here is one for sale for a whole lot less money...

Mig-21

Anyone here got a spare $35,000?

MIKOYAN MIG 21 PF, 1973, 1054 TT, 546 SFRM / 546 SFRM, IFR, SINGLE SEAT JET INTERCEPTOR, $35,000, 1990 Paint, 1985 Int

Grasshopper

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: grasshopper26

Originally posted by: rh71
Grasshopper what do you do for a living? Or is it just a hobby ?

I'm a commercial helicopter pilot, I fly Bell 206 & 407 helicopters for an air charter service. I'm also a fixed-wing pilot, but I don't use that in my profession.

BTW, this thing is also for sale outright here:

http://www.aso.com/i.aso/AdView.jsp?aircraft_id=60731

Asking price is $199,000. You probably could pick this up for $180K if you bargined for it... A bit high, but it also seems to be in good shape so you never know...

Grasshopper

Hey they have the same pics, wonder who copied off who.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Here is one for sale for a whole lot less money...

Mig-21

Anyone here got a spare $35,000?

MIKOYAN MIG 21 PF, 1973, 1054 TT, 546 SFRM / 546 SFRM, IFR, SINGLE SEAT JET INTERCEPTOR, $35,000, 1990 Paint, 1985 Int

Grasshopper

hah, but it will probably cost $3000/hour to run the damn thing.

 

[KeyserSoze]

What kind of fuel economy are we talking here?







KeyserSoze

 

[MaxDepth]

Nope. Ain't going to buy it.

Did ya see? For all that money and they won't replace the 8-track with a CD player?

Cheapskates!

PS - plus I had have to pay a buttload to those neighborhood kids to detail the darn thing.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: grasshopper26

Originally posted by: rh71
Grasshopper what do you do for a living? Or is it just a hobby ?

I'm a commercial helicopter pilot, I fly Bell 206 & 407 helicopters for an air charter service. I'm also a fixed-wing pilot, but I don't use that in my profession.

BTW, this thing is also for sale outright here:

http://www.aso.com/i.aso/AdView.jsp?aircraft_id=60731

Asking price is $199,000. You probably could pick this up for $180K if you bargined for it... A bit high, but it also seems to be in good shape so you never know...

Grasshopper

Hey they have the same pics, wonder who copied off who.

Probably the same people selling the same plane.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: rudder

hah, but it will probably cost $3000/hour to run the damn thing.

About $4,000/hr actually...

There is one of these based here in Dallas, I haven't flown in it of course, but I've seen it and talked to the owner a few times in passing. That is the number he tossed out, said it included fuel, overhauls, inspections, parts, maintenance, etc.

Grasshopper

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
What kind of fuel economy are we talking here?

KeyserSoze

It burns about $800/hr worth of Jet A.

Grasshopper

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: grasshopper26

Originally posted by: rudder

hah, but it will probably cost $3000/hour to run the damn thing.

About $4,000/hr actually...

There is one of these based here in Dallas, I haven't flown in it of course, but I've seen it and talked to the owner a few times in passing. That is the number he tossed out, said it included fuel, overhauls, inspections, parts, maintenance, etc.

Grasshopper

Where do you get spare Mig parts from?

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Where do you get spare Mig parts from?

Amazingly enough, lots of places...

Mostly from importers who buy them from nations that use the Mig-21 and need the cash more than the parts. Lots of stuff comes out of China and India, both of whom fly lots of -21s...

Grasshopper

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: grasshopper26

Originally posted by: jackwhitter
of course, the plane (sr-71) was built out of titanium alloys to help with the heat GENERATED when traveling at mach 3.2 for 90 minutes.. when the plane lands, they have to let it cool before doing anything to it...

True, and we really should write a thank you letter to the USSR for selling us the titanium to build the 55 SR-71s. The CIA used dummy companies to buy it from them. Stupid Ruskies!

BTW, the SR-71 also stretches 11 inches in flight due to the heat. The best performance was obtained at Mach 3.2 at 91,000ft. Believe it or not, it burned more fuel at Mach 3.0 than it did at 3.2, and it could do 3.6 in short bursts if needed. Over 1,000 missiles were shot at the SR-71 during its service life, many actually came quite close. The trick was however that at Mach 3.2, it was faster than the explosion from the missile's warhead (which didn't explode on contact, rather just when close behind, and simply flew away from the blast.

Given what is known about the SR-71 today, it is probably that someone could shoot one down. The plane was three generations ahead of its time, but that was 30 years ago. Today it is still quite impressive, but I'm willing to bet we have something else out there that does a better job.

Grasshopper

IIRC during take off fuel leaks from the plane because all the metal expands during flight. The plane is fueled just enough to take off and then is immediately refueled in flight so it can continue flying.

 

[crab]

Originally posted by: grasshopper26

Originally posted by: rh71
Grasshopper what do you do for a living? Or is it just a hobby ?

I'm a commercial helicopter pilot, I fly Bell 206 & 407 helicopters for an air charter service. I'm also a fixed-wing pilot, but I don't use that in my profession.

BTW, this thing is also for sale outright here:

http://www.aso.com/i.aso/AdView.jsp?aircraft_id=60731

Asking price is $199,000. You probably could pick this up for $180K if you bargined for it... A bit high, but it also seems to be in good shape so you never know...

Grasshopper

That thing has been on the market for a loooong time...it's for sale on quite a few sites. The owner doesnt seem to be having any luck.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: crab453

That thing has been on the market for a loooong time...it's for sale on quite a few sites. The owner doesnt seem to be having any luck.

He wants too much money for it. That plane is really probably worth $125,000, assuming it all works. He just is trying to get back everything he paid to import it, most of those costs are never recoverable.

Grasshopper

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

IIRC during take off fuel leaks from the plane because all the metal expands during flight. The plane is fueled just enough to take off and then is immediately refueled in flight so it can continue flying.

Actually, it is fully fueled on the ground. Once it gets in the air, it has about 15 minutes to connect to the tanker before running out of gas. It loses 90% of its fuel load just getting into the air.

Grasshopper

 

[miken]

Yeah I was friends with a flight captain who saw the SR-71 get fueled, they fuel it up and alot of it will come right back out. Tremendous waste, however very fast once it gets up. Don't light a match!