Microsoft WMV 9 getting shoved down our throats !!!!!!!!

[AFB]

I doubt it.

whoa! 2min=100MB

 

[Wag]

BTW- There's a new high-def trailer for Scooby-Doo 2 on that link I posted.

For the 1080p clip you'll need a beefy system to play it.

 

[LordJezo]

At least it's not anything from Real...

 

[Mallow]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: Mallow
Well... if they removed all proprietary status from the codec I have no problem at all w/ it becoming a standard.

Let me bold a little bit more.

Originally posted by: werk

As a condition to Microsoft before it could establish VC-9 as a standard, it had to strip VC-9 of proprietary status, Majidimehr said. The company satisfied that condition when it submitted the underlying video compression technology to SMPTE last year and opened up its software to developers for the first time. Now developers can download the technical spec, build on it and not be beholden to Microsoft

What was the point of that? I made my first post in response to reading yours the first time... I got nothing more out of it other than they have removed proprietary status.... anything more you wish to convey?

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Mallow

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: Mallow
Well... if they removed all proprietary status from the codec I have no problem at all w/ it becoming a standard.

Let me bold a little bit more.

Originally posted by: werk

As a condition to Microsoft before it could establish VC-9 as a standard, it had to strip VC-9 of proprietary status, Majidimehr said. The company satisfied that condition when it submitted the underlying video compression technology to SMPTE last year and opened up its software to developers for the first time. Now developers can download the technical spec, build on it and not be beholden to Microsoft

What was the point of that? I made my first post in response to reading yours the first time... I got nothing more out of it other than they have removed proprietary status.... anything more you wish to convey?

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: SSP
So you can create and play WMV files in Linux and other OS's now (supported by MS, not a hack)?

Playback HD-DVD, yes, as long as the developer licenses the new codec (it's open for development, but still carries a 10 cent license fee per decoder...confusing, I know). Create? I'm not sure.

BTW:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx

Why does everyone forget about WMP for OSX??

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: LordJezo
At least it's not anything from Real...

Understatement of the Year!

 

[Mallow]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: LordJezo
At least it's not anything from Real...

Understatement of the Year!

lol, god I hate anything from Real now just b/c of how much their products have annoyed me in the past. I think they need a name change b/c of brand disloyalty not brand loyalty!!! haha

 

[Davegod75]

Originally posted by: LordJezo
At least it's not anything from Real...

amen to that

 

[Amused]

Good GAWD it's funny how the MS haters are prone to such knee-jerk reactions.

Using the MS codec SAVES you money. Anything else would require an entirely new laser system that would cost more than twice as much.

Not only that, but the DVD companies CHOOSE MS, not the other way around.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Mallow

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: LordJezo
At least it's not anything from Real...

Understatement of the Year!

lol, god I hate anything from Real now just b/c of how much their products have annoyed me in the past. I think they need a name change b/c of brand disloyalty not brand loyalty!!! haha

They need to make products that aren't a PITA first.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: SSP
So you can create and play WMV files in Linux and other OS's now (supported by MS, not a hack)?

Playback HD-DVD, yes, as long as the developer licenses the new codec (it's open for development, but still carries a 10 cent license fee per decoder...confusing, I know). Create? I'm not sure.

BTW:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx

Why does everyone forget about WMP for OSX??

Isn't that an oxymoron?

 

[Buickbeast]

I would rather buy all new equipment to have more space for higher quality transfers. I guess not many people here have T2 extreme. You have to connect to the internet and "verify" that your copy is legal.

I don't want to have to do that everytime I want to play a hi-def movie.

On that note, I like the quality/space ratio of wm9 but for me, It's just a stepping block until we get blue-ray

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: SSP
So you can create and play WMV files in Linux and other OS's now (supported by MS, not a hack)?

Playback HD-DVD, yes, as long as the developer licenses the new codec (it's open for development, but still carries a 10 cent license fee per decoder...confusing, I know). Create? I'm not sure.

BTW:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/Macintosh/osx/default.aspx

Why does everyone forget about WMP for OSX??

Isn't that an oxymoron?

Sort of. I don't really get it either, and there isn't too much info out there about the licensing requirements.

 

[Wag]

I would rather buy all new equipment to have more space for higher quality transfers. I guess not many people here have T2 extreme. You have to connect to the internet and "verify" that your copy is legal. I don't want to have to do that everytime I want to play a hi-def movie.

You won't have to. Part of the HD-DVD spec will have on-disk verification for playback.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Wag

I would rather buy all new equipment to have more space for higher quality transfers. I guess not many people here have T2 extreme. You have to connect to the internet and "verify" that your copy is legal. I don't want to have to do that everytime I want to play a hi-def movie.

You won't have to. Part of the HD-DVD spec will have on-disk verification for playback.

Verification is fvck up by it self. More anti-piracy crap. What next, a guard to watch the movie with you?

 

[NFS4]

Is it really all THAT bad, or all you Microsoft bashers just itching for a nother reason to stroke your pole at them?

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Is it really all THAT bad, or all you Microsoft bashers just itching for a nother reason to stroke your pole at them?

My vote is pole-stroking.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: Wag

I would rather buy all new equipment to have more space for higher quality transfers. I guess not many people here have T2 extreme. You have to connect to the internet and "verify" that your copy is legal. I don't want to have to do that everytime I want to play a hi-def movie.

You won't have to. Part of the HD-DVD spec will have on-disk verification for playback.

Verification is fvck up by it self. More anti-piracy crap. What next, a guard to watch the movie with you?

Seriously, don't you think that no matter what format is chosen, it will have some sort of verification/encryption?

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: Wag

I would rather buy all new equipment to have more space for higher quality transfers. I guess not many people here have T2 extreme. You have to connect to the internet and "verify" that your copy is legal. I don't want to have to do that everytime I want to play a hi-def movie.

You won't have to. Part of the HD-DVD spec will have on-disk verification for playback.

Verification is fvck up by it self. More anti-piracy crap. What next, a guard to watch the movie with you?

Seriously, don't you think that no matter what format is chosen, it will have some sort of verification/encryption?

Yes.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: Amused
Good GAWD it's funny how the MS haters are prone to such knee-jerk reactions.

Using the MS codec SAVES you money. Anything else would require an entirely new laser system that would cost more than twice as much.

Not only that, but the DVD companies CHOOSE MS, not the other way around.

I'd like to see the H.264 codec implemented in optimized code. From what I've seen, it's significantly better in both quality and size than the MPEG-4 codec it replaces. It's biggest problem last time I checked was that the only codec code that was available was "proof of concept" code that was insanely processor intensive to both encode and decode.

Nonetheless, as long as the format specs are open, I don't see a problem with using WMV9 for HD-DVD content. That being said, you'll need to buy a new HD-DVD player to play HD titles anyway, so does it really matter if that player uses a laser in the blue/violet spectrum or not? I mean once optical drives that use blue/violet lasers go into production their cost will go down simply by the economy of scales and because more money will be spent improving the manufacturing processes.

Look at DVD-ROM vs CD-ROMs: making an optical drive that uses a red laser as opposed to the infrared one that CD-ROMs use doesn't add much, if anything, to the manufacturing cost AFAIK.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: Amused
Good GAWD it's funny how the MS haters are prone to such knee-jerk reactions.

Using the MS codec SAVES you money. Anything else would require an entirely new laser system that would cost more than twice as much.

Not only that, but the DVD companies CHOOSE MS, not the other way around.

I'd like to see the H.264 codec implemented in optimized code. From what I've seen, it's significantly better in both quality and size than the MPEG-4 codec it replaces. It's biggest problem last time I checked was that the only codec code that was available was "proof of concept" code that was insanely processor intensive to both encode and decode.

Nonetheless, as long as the format specs are open, I don't see a problem with using WMV9 for HD-DVD content. That being said, you'll need to buy a new HD-DVD player to play HD titles anyway, so does it really matter if that player uses a laser in the blue/violet spectrum or not? I mean once optical drives that use blue/violet lasers go into production their cost will go down simply by the economy of scales and because more money will be spent improving the manufacturing processes.

Look at DVD-ROM vs CD-ROMs: making an optical drive that uses a red laser as opposed to the infrared one that CD-ROMs use doesn't add much, if anything, to the manufacturing cost AFAIK.

Thats true, you will need a new player any way.

 

[Wag]

The HD-DVD (AOD) discs are supposedly much easier to manufacture than the Blue-Ray stuff, especially on current DVD presses.

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: Wag

I would rather buy all new equipment to have more space for higher quality transfers. I guess not many people here have T2 extreme. You have to connect to the internet and "verify" that your copy is legal. I don't want to have to do that everytime I want to play a hi-def movie.

You won't have to. Part of the HD-DVD spec will have on-disk verification for playback.

Verification is fvck up by it self. More anti-piracy crap. What next, a guard to watch the movie with you?

Seriously, don't you think that no matter what format is chosen, it will have some sort of verification/encryption?

I would be worried if they didn't.