Microsoft wins appeal in Java case

XZeroII

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WASHINGTON, June 26
A federal appeals court on Thursday overturned a ruling that would have forced Microsoft Corp. to incorporate Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Java programming language in the Windows operating system.

THE THREE-JUDGE PANEL in Richmond, Virginia, said a lower court judge had erred by ordering Microsoft to carry its rival's software, a penalty the lower court judge said was necessary to make up for Microsoft's past misdeeds.

The lower court judge, U.S. District Judge J. Frederick Motz, was assigned cases arising from the landmark government antitrust suit against Microsoft filed in 1998. He concluded in a Dec. 23 ruling that Sun had a good chance of winning its private case against Microsoft.

excellent. Hopefully java will be gone in a few years. I hate java :|
 

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Originally posted by: notfred
You hate java because....?

I took a class to learn it. Got an A pretty easily, but I just hate it. I can't really explain it, but the hatred is pretty deep. I suppose if I had to choose one thing that I didn't like, it would be that there isn't a good IDE.
 

dighn

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Originally posted by: nick1985
am i the only one who DOESNT hate microsoft?

no i like microsoft products and their support for developers. nobody beats microsoft for developer support.
 

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: notfred
You hate java because....?

I took a class to learn it. Got an A pretty easily, but I just hate it. I can't really explain it, but the hatred is pretty deep. I suppose if I had to choose one thing that I didn't like, it would be that there isn't a good IDE.

And, of course, there not being a "good IDE" is directly related to the quality of the language itself.
 

dighn

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Originally posted by: PrincessGuard
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: notfred
You hate java because....?

I took a class to learn it. Got an A pretty easily, but I just hate it. I can't really explain it, but the hatred is pretty deep. I suppose if I had to choose one thing that I didn't like, it would be that there isn't a good IDE.

And, of course, there not being a "good IDE" is directly related to the quality of the language itself.

but it's understandable that it can cause a subconscious dislike to everything java by association
 

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: notfred
You hate java because....?

I took a class to learn it. Got an A pretty easily, but I just hate it. I can't really explain it, but the hatred is pretty deep. I suppose if I had to choose one thing that I didn't like, it would be that there isn't a good IDE.

eclipse??
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: PrincessGuard
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: notfred
You hate java because....?

I took a class to learn it. Got an A pretty easily, but I just hate it. I can't really explain it, but the hatred is pretty deep. I suppose if I had to choose one thing that I didn't like, it would be that there isn't a good IDE.

And, of course, there not being a "good IDE" is directly related to the quality of the language itself.

not really. I made no claims as to the quality of the language. I just said that I hate it. Honestly, I don't know about the quality, but it looked to me like it was pretty inflexible. I referred to it as C++, but w/o anything that made C++ good. It's like they said, "Ok, we have C++ and that's all well and good but what woud happen if we took out pointers and anything else that made C++ good and unique?"
 

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I really like Microsoft. I have nothing against them. When they buy my company out and leave me jobless I will then hate them. Until then, YAY!
 

dighn

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Originally posted by: Nocturnal
I really like Microsoft. I have nothing against them. When they buy my company out and leave me jobless I will then hate them. Until then, YAY!

lol
 

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Originally posted by: Nocturnal
I really like Microsoft. I have nothing against them. When they buy my company out and leave me jobless I will then hate them. Until then, YAY!

Microsoft, I believe, represents America partially with hardwork and determination.
 

dighn

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: PrincessGuard
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: notfred
You hate java because....?

I took a class to learn it. Got an A pretty easily, but I just hate it. I can't really explain it, but the hatred is pretty deep. I suppose if I had to choose one thing that I didn't like, it would be that there isn't a good IDE.

And, of course, there not being a "good IDE" is directly related to the quality of the language itself.

not really. I made no claims as to the quality of the language. I just said that I hate it. Honestly, I don't know about the quality, but it looked to me like it was pretty inflexible. I referred to it as C++, but w/o anything that made C++ good. It's like they said, "Ok, we have C++ and that's all well and good but what woud happen if we took out pointers and anything else that made C++ good and unique?"

java has references. the lack of pointers isn't all that bad because java isn't suitable for lower level/os level programming anyway
 

manly

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Whoop-de-do. This is a reversal of a temporary injunction only. I don't know if Motz is still the trial judge, but this wouldn't change his mind that MS is likely to lose going to trial. It's all politics anyway.

If I'm not mistaken, it's a $1 billion civil suit so we'll get to see who has the better lawyers. MS' legal team got owned in the landmark federal trial.

And XZeroII is right; there isn't one good IDE for Java. There's at least a few. Too bad he's not comfortable with choices for consumers being A Good Thing (tm). Not that anyone else will lose sleep over his self-described blind, uninformed hatred.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: manly
Whoop-de-do. This is a reversal of a temporary injunction only. I don't know if Motz is still the trial judge, but this wouldn't change his mind that MS is likely to lose going to trial. It's all politics anyway.

If I'm not mistaken, it's a $1 billion civil suit so we'll get to see who has the better lawyers. MS' legal team got owned in the landmark federal trial.

And XZeroII is right; there isn't one good IDE for Java. There's at least a few. Too bad he's not comfortable with choices for consumers being A Good Thing (tm). Not that anyone else will lose sleep over his self-described blind, uninformed hatred.

Never said I wasn't comforable with choices. Someone create a new, good language and I'll be happy. Don't just copy C++, take out some great features, slow it down to a crawl in a virtual machine and call it something new.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: dighn
you seem to be completely missing the point of java

I realize it's meant to be secure, but I don't care. I'll hate what I want to hate when I want to hate it for whatever reason I want to hate it for!
 

dighn

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no not secure :p it's meant to be platform independent. that's the most important thing in java :)

btw i ahte it too :D