Microsoft to stop making Mac browser

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Tabb Heh, Mac cant live forever. I've never had a BSOD with Windows XP and my nforce2 mobo. Looks like microsoft did something right

Apples are stable cause they don't run anything

lmao! uber apple haters are out in full force!!

 

[SuperTool]

Apple is not going anywhere. My brother, who is a lifetime PC (mostly Linux and BSD) user is now shopping for a powerbook. And I am personally considering it. You people need to learn that MHz isn't everything in life. Especially now with the internet, you have potentially whole world's computing resources at your fingertips, there is not that much need to have all the computing power centered in your own machine.
Apple is building systems that regardless of MHz meet their customers' needs. They aren't the fastest, but they are fast enough to do the job, and that's what counts. Will Apple match Dell's volumes and prices? No. But as long as it continues to innovate, it will have its own following of people who are willing to pay premium for their products.
I think Apple is correctly focusing on the mobile market, because while a desktop is just a box that sits under your desk and computes, a laptop is something that you hold and carry around every day, so industrial design is much more important, and that's one of Apple's strong points.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

A huge percentage of Apple's sales are probably to school districts. The number of real users actually using Macs making up that market share is probably less than 5%

 

[SammyBoy]

Apples are the most annoying machines EVER. That's all sam has to say about that.

And the only reason that the # of apples in use is still hovering around 5 or 10%, whatever it is, is because the people who use them are SO computer illiterate (lol, i think i spelled that wrong, who cant write now), ANYHOW, they're so bad at computers that they cant dream of getting a new one. My grandma can hardly type or print but when she has problems on her crappy imac she is almost as likely fix them as me. They make so little sense its astounding. I'll admit windows sucks, but a lot of it is user error also. My comp. runs like poop but it's because i havent formatted in like a year and a half minimum and i have nimda and another weird virus I cant get rid of (not like i've really tried )

Anyhow, macs suck, i hope they die.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Apple is not going anywhere. My brother, who is a lifetime PC (mostly Linux and BSD) user is now shopping for a powerbook. And I am personally considering it. You people need to learn that MHz isn't everything in life. Especially now with the internet, you have potentially whole world's computing resources at your fingertips, there is not that much need to have all the computing power centered in your own machine.
Apple is building systems that regardless of MHz meet their customers' needs. They aren't the fastest, but they are fast enough to do the job, and that's what counts. Will Apple match Dell's volumes and prices? No. But as long as it continues to innovate, it will have its own following of people who are willing to pay premium for their products.
I think Apple is correctly focusing on the mobile market, because while a desktop is just a box that sits under your desk and computes, a laptop is something that you hold and carry around every day, so industrial design is much more important, and that's one of Apple's strong points.

This isn't another PC vs Mac thread, its just time and time again, people pick pcs over macs which will eventualyl lead to their downfall. jesus.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: SammyBoy
Apples are the most annoying machines EVER. That's all sam has to say about that.

And the only reason that the # of apples in use is still hovering around 5 or 10%, whatever it is, is because the people who use them are SO computer illiterate (lol, i think i spelled that wrong, who cant write now),

I see quite a few computer engineers using Apple laptops. Why? Because they run things like word and media processing, email, small computing jobs, and presentations just fine, and that's what people use their laptops and desktops for. If I need to run a serious computing intensive simulation, a uniprocessor desktop or laptop is pretty useless regardless of megahertz, and we have clusters and servers for those. You need to get over yourself, and realize that people using Apples aren't all doing it because they don't know any better, but because they like the products. I would argue that the computer illiterates buy into the MHz marketing and are using wintel.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: SammyBoy
My comp. runs like poop but it's because i havent formatted in like a year and a half minimum and i have nimda and another weird virus I cant get rid of

apples ... people who use them are SO computer illiterate (lol, i think i spelled that wrong, who cant write now), ANYHOW, they're so bad at computers that they cant dream of getting a new one.

I guess it takes one to know one, huh?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Apple is not going anywhere. My brother, who is a lifetime PC (mostly Linux and BSD) user is now shopping for a powerbook. And I am personally considering it. You people need to learn that MHz isn't everything in life. Especially now with the internet, you have potentially whole world's computing resources at your fingertips, there is not that much need to have all the computing power centered in your own machine.
Apple is building systems that regardless of MHz meet their customers' needs. They aren't the fastest, but they are fast enough to do the job, and that's what counts. Will Apple match Dell's volumes and prices? No. But as long as it continues to innovate, it will have its own following of people who are willing to pay premium for their products.
I think Apple is correctly focusing on the mobile market, because while a desktop is just a box that sits under your desk and computes, a laptop is something that you hold and carry around every day, so industrial design is much more important, and that's one of Apple's strong points.

This isn't another PC vs Mac thread, its just time and time again, people pick pcs over macs which will eventualyl lead to their downfall. jesus.

Yes, just like people picking Toyotas over BMW's has caused BMW's downfall. There are volume brands and there are premium brands.

 

[wyvrn]

Please don't tell me you think Apple is a premium brand. Puleeze. They can't do anything better than a pc except for costing more! If cost is your only criteria for being premium, you deserve to own an apple computer.

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Apple is not going anywhere. My brother, who is a lifetime PC (mostly Linux and BSD) user is now shopping for a powerbook. And I am personally considering it. You people need to learn that MHz isn't everything in life. Especially now with the internet, you have potentially whole world's computing resources at your fingertips, there is not that much need to have all the computing power centered in your own machine.
Apple is building systems that regardless of MHz meet their customers' needs. They aren't the fastest, but they are fast enough to do the job, and that's what counts. Will Apple match Dell's volumes and prices? No. But as long as it continues to innovate, it will have its own following of people who are willing to pay premium for their products.
I think Apple is correctly focusing on the mobile market, because while a desktop is just a box that sits under your desk and computes, a laptop is something that you hold and carry around every day, so industrial design is much more important, and that's one of Apple's strong points.

This isn't another PC vs Mac thread, its just time and time again, people pick pcs over macs which will eventualyl lead to their downfall. jesus.

Yes, just like people picking Toyotas over BMW's has caused BMW's downfall. There are volume brands and there are premium brands.

 

[Eug]

Apples are stable cause they don't run anything

Heheh. I guess you've never heard of Unix.

 

[Zee]

Originally posted by: gsaldivar
It gets better...


"...In the first quarter of 2000, Apple and Dell were in a head-to-head battle for dominance in the U.S. education market. Dell, who at the at time had 22.6 percent of the market saw steady increases in its market share growing to 34.9 percent in the latest research numbers given to MacCentral by market research firm, International Data Corp. (IDC).

In the same period, Apple's market share fell from 20.2 percent in the first quarter of 2000 to 15.2 percent in the most recent quarter of 2002, reaching a low of 12.4 percent in the fourth quarter of 2001..."


By my math, it looks like Dell has nearly triple Apple's share of the education market - and more than a third of the total..

Source

Oh definitely. My university, like many other educational institutions(including high schools and such) had a bunch of macs but recently, a swarm of dells has appeared almost everywhere. I hear that these school get these computers for like nothing anyway so school choose to switch to the pc platform.

 

[CrazyPerson]

oh my god... what should i do.....

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Apple is not going anywhere. My brother, who is a lifetime PC (mostly Linux and BSD) user is now shopping for a powerbook. And I am personally considering it. You people need to learn that MHz isn't everything in life. Especially now with the internet, you have potentially whole world's computing resources at your fingertips, there is not that much need to have all the computing power centered in your own machine.
Apple is building systems that regardless of MHz meet their customers' needs. They aren't the fastest, but they are fast enough to do the job, and that's what counts. Will Apple match Dell's volumes and prices? No. But as long as it continues to innovate, it will have its own following of people who are willing to pay premium for their products.
I think Apple is correctly focusing on the mobile market, because while a desktop is just a box that sits under your desk and computes, a laptop is something that you hold and carry around every day, so industrial design is much more important, and that's one of Apple's strong points.

This isn't another PC vs Mac thread, its just time and time again, people pick pcs over macs which will eventualyl lead to their downfall. jesus.

Yes, just like people picking Toyotas over BMW's has caused BMW's downfall. There are volume brands and there are premium brands.

But your comparison is flawed, they have two specific target audiences. BMWS target the people who enjoy image and have more $$ while toyotas relate to someone who wants a more affordable car. Macs and PCS appeal to the same target audience with the same cash pool.

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Apple is not going anywhere. My brother, who is a lifetime PC (mostly Linux and BSD) user is now shopping for a powerbook. And I am personally considering it. You people need to learn that MHz isn't everything in life. Especially now with the internet, you have potentially whole world's computing resources at your fingertips, there is not that much need to have all the computing power centered in your own machine.
Apple is building systems that regardless of MHz meet their customers' needs. They aren't the fastest, but they are fast enough to do the job, and that's what counts. Will Apple match Dell's volumes and prices? No. But as long as it continues to innovate, it will have its own following of people who are willing to pay premium for their products.
I think Apple is correctly focusing on the mobile market, because while a desktop is just a box that sits under your desk and computes, a laptop is something that you hold and carry around every day, so industrial design is much more important, and that's one of Apple's strong points.

This isn't another PC vs Mac thread, its just time and time again, people pick pcs over macs which will eventualyl lead to their downfall. jesus.

Yes, just like people picking Toyotas over BMW's has caused BMW's downfall. There are volume brands and there are premium brands.

But your comparison is flawed, they have two specific target audiences. BMWS target the people who enjoy image and have more $$ while toyotas relate to someone who wants a more affordable car. Macs and PCS appeal to the same target audience with the same cash pool.

I wouldn't say that much. A hardcore gamer wouldn't give a lick of consideration to a Mac, and a little old lady who's been using Macs for 10 years to type her recipes isn't going to care much about the latest Alienware rig.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Apple is not going anywhere. My brother, who is a lifetime PC (mostly Linux and BSD) user is now shopping for a powerbook. And I am personally considering it. You people need to learn that MHz isn't everything in life. Especially now with the internet, you have potentially whole world's computing resources at your fingertips, there is not that much need to have all the computing power centered in your own machine.
Apple is building systems that regardless of MHz meet their customers' needs. They aren't the fastest, but they are fast enough to do the job, and that's what counts. Will Apple match Dell's volumes and prices? No. But as long as it continues to innovate, it will have its own following of people who are willing to pay premium for their products.
I think Apple is correctly focusing on the mobile market, because while a desktop is just a box that sits under your desk and computes, a laptop is something that you hold and carry around every day, so industrial design is much more important, and that's one of Apple's strong points.

This isn't another PC vs Mac thread, its just time and time again, people pick pcs over macs which will eventualyl lead to their downfall. jesus.

Yes, just like people picking Toyotas over BMW's has caused BMW's downfall. There are volume brands and there are premium brands.

But your comparison is flawed, they have two specific target audiences. BMWS target the people who enjoy image and have more $$ while toyotas relate to someone who wants a more affordable car. Macs and PCS appeal to the same target audience with the same cash pool.

I wouldn't say that much. A hardcore gamer wouldn't give a lick of consideration to a Mac, and a little old lady who's been using Macs for 10 years to type her recipes isn't going to care much about the latest Alienware rig.

Considering hardcore users and people that need power rigs are a minority. I'm talking about the mass consumer that owns 85% of the computer in the World.

 

Old mac's are cool to put netbsd on.

 

[syberscott]

Apple will be around for a while. They have lots of money and Apple fans are more diehard than AMD fanboys. The speed difference argument is dumb. Apple has never marketed a gamers machine. That may change with the new G5 though.

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: syberscott
Apple will be around for a while. They have lots of money and Apple fans are more diehard than AMD fanboys. The speed difference argument is dumb. Apple has never marketed a gamers machine. That may change with the new G5 though.

They don't have lots of money. They hemmorage more and more cash every year.

Speed difference is not dumb. The small niche market that Apple maintains is composed of professionals who NEED speed. Video editors, graphics designers, etc. Every bit of processing power counts, and Apple simply isn't supplying it. More and more of those professionals are beginning to switch over, and as PCs and PC software continue to surpass that of Apples, they're losing more and more marketshare.

For every soccer mom whom their stupid ad campaigns and art-deco design attracts, there's 5 professionals who realize the futility of continuing to work on them.

That's the essense of doomed.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: syberscott
Apple will be around for a while. They have lots of money and Apple fans are more diehard than AMD fanboys. The speed difference argument is dumb. Apple has never marketed a gamers machine. That may change with the new G5 though.

They don't have lots of money. They hemmorage more and more cash every year.

Speed difference is not dumb. The small niche market that Apple maintains is composed of professionals who NEED speed. Video editors, graphics designers, etc. Every bit of processing power counts, and Apple simply isn't supplying it. More and more of those professionals are beginning to switch over, and as PCs and PC software continue to surpass that of Apples, they're losing more and more marketshare.

For every soccer mom whom their stupid ad campaigns and art-deco design attracts, there's 5 professionals who realize the futility of continuing to work on them.

That's the essense of doomed.

0WN3D.

- M4H

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Apple is not going anywhere. My brother, who is a lifetime PC (mostly Linux and BSD) user is now shopping for a powerbook. And I am personally considering it. You people need to learn that MHz isn't everything in life. Especially now with the internet, you have potentially whole world's computing resources at your fingertips, there is not that much need to have all the computing power centered in your own machine.
Apple is building systems that regardless of MHz meet their customers' needs. They aren't the fastest, but they are fast enough to do the job, and that's what counts. Will Apple match Dell's volumes and prices? No. But as long as it continues to innovate, it will have its own following of people who are willing to pay premium for their products.
I think Apple is correctly focusing on the mobile market, because while a desktop is just a box that sits under your desk and computes, a laptop is something that you hold and carry around every day, so industrial design is much more important, and that's one of Apple's strong points.

you can see those stupid "at your fingertips" and "innovate" cliches from a mile away buddy

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Apple is not going anywhere. My brother, who is a lifetime PC (mostly Linux and BSD) user is now shopping for a powerbook. And I am personally considering it. You people need to learn that MHz isn't everything in life. Especially now with the internet, you have potentially whole world's computing resources at your fingertips, there is not that much need to have all the computing power centered in your own machine.
Apple is building systems that regardless of MHz meet their customers' needs. They aren't the fastest, but they are fast enough to do the job, and that's what counts. Will Apple match Dell's volumes and prices? No. But as long as it continues to innovate, it will have its own following of people who are willing to pay premium for their products.
I think Apple is correctly focusing on the mobile market, because while a desktop is just a box that sits under your desk and computes, a laptop is something that you hold and carry around every day, so industrial design is much more important, and that's one of Apple's strong points.

I don't think Apple and the word "innovate" have been able to be used together in the same sentence since sometime in the early 1990's.

The iMac concept may have led to an initial sales boost, but it was a step backward as far as the computer business was concerned.

And the G4 cube? Come on. You must be joking.

And that little chrome tabletop lamp they're marketing right now? Cute, but no.

I can practically hear Chuck sobbing now.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: syberscott
Apple will be around for a while. They have lots of money and Apple fans are more diehard than AMD fanboys. The speed difference argument is dumb. Apple has never marketed a gamers machine. That may change with the new G5 though.

They don't have lots of money. They hemmorage more and more cash every year.

Speed difference is not dumb. The small niche market that Apple maintains is composed of professionals who NEED speed. Video editors, graphics designers, etc. Every bit of processing power counts, and Apple simply isn't supplying it. More and more of those professionals are beginning to switch over, and as PCs and PC software continue to surpass that of Apples, they're losing more and more marketshare.

For every soccer mom whom their stupid ad campaigns and art-deco design attracts, there's 5 professionals who realize the futility of continuing to work on them.

That's the essense of doomed.

Hemmorage cash? Last I heard Apple was one of the few companies that has actually kept posting profits (reduced profits but profits none the less). And If you are going to cite a niche market it would help your argruement more if you understood said market. Speed is always a good thing when it comes to editing but software is King and stability is Queen. And in the past 16-24 months FCP has been on fire and only becomes more and more popular. FCP is not the end all, be all of NLE's but nothing can match it's price/performance ratio. And that gap just got quite a bit wider with the release of FCP 4 which is easily over $2k worth of software all rolled into the low, low price of $999. FCP is eating more and more into Avid's once ironclad (and Mac hardware based) dominance in the editing section of the post industry. $40k Avid setups are being replaced with $15k FCP setups. That doesn't sound like video/film pros jumping fence to the PC to me.

I can't speak for graphic artists 'cause that's not my field, but saying that there is any note worthy migration of video/film editors from Macs (either running Avid or FCP) over to PC based NLE's, is absolutely laughable. If you want to see an exodus watch Avid users migrate to FCP.


Lethal

EDIT: damn unwanted smiley...

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: syberscott
Apple will be around for a while. They have lots of money and Apple fans are more diehard than AMD fanboys. The speed difference argument is dumb. Apple has never marketed a gamers machine. That may change with the new G5 though.

They don't have lots of money. They hemmorage more and more cash every year.

Speed difference is not dumb. The small niche market that Apple maintains is composed of professionals who NEED speed. Video editors, graphics designers, etc. Every bit of processing power counts, and Apple simply isn't supplying it. More and more of those professionals are beginning to switch over, and as PCs and PC software continue to surpass that of Apples, they're losing more and more marketshare.

For every soccer mom whom their stupid ad campaigns and art-deco design attracts, there's 5 professionals who realize the futility of continuing to work on them.

That's the essense of doomed.

0WN3D.

- M4H

If you were actually smart enough to know what the hell he's talking about you'd realize he's wrong.

0WN3D

 

[geckojohn]

W00t! Yay, finally Microshaft did something awesome!

Macs suck!

 

[geckojohn]

i CAN'T STAND IT HOW SOME MAC USERS THINK THAT MACS ARE FASTER THAN PC'S! IT IS SO F*CKING ANNOYING.