Michigan to follow Wisconsin?

[comptr6]

Now that Wisconsin has to passed the budget reform bill that will fix the states budget and free the middle class from the tyranny of unions it looks like other states are looking to follow their lead:

LANSING, Mich. — Legislation that would give broad new powers to emergency managers appointed to guide financially struggling cities and schools in Michigan moved one step closer to becoming law Wednesday, winning approval from the Republican-led state Senate.

The Senate passed the main bill in the package by a 26-12 party-line vote. The Republican-led House has passed similar legislation and the bills would head to Gov. Rick Snyder once differences are resolved between the two versions.


Snyder, a Republican, called for emergency manager legislation in January and is likely to sign the bills once they reach his desk. He noted on Wednesday, however, that details of the legislation still are changing as it works its way through the Legislature.


Opponents of the legislation are concerned because emergency financial managers who are appointed by the state would have the power to terminate union contracts held by school teachers and local government workers. Democrats say the measures are an assault on collective bargaining.


'Can of worms'
Managers also could strip local elected officials of most powers, which Democrats say would lead to overwhelming authority invested in someone who is appointed from outside the community rather than elected by local voters.


"I think we're opening up a can of worms," said Sen. Hoon-Yung Hopgood, a Democrat from Taylor. "We need to be very careful about the expansive powers that we are granting to emergency managers."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41998710/ns/politics-more_politics/

 

[Texashiker]

This part I have to disagree with

Managers also could strip local elected officials of most powers,

Someone who is appointed to office, should not have authority over someone elected by the people.

The authority of the people come first.

 

[boomerang]

Now that Wisconsin has to passed the budget reform bill that will fix the states budget and free the middle class from the tyranny of unions it looks like other states are looking to follow their lead:



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41998710/ns/politics-more_politics/

Bankrupt cities and school systems have to be dealt with. It's important to remember that under their current leadership, they have been unable to pull out of their financial straights. Snyder has said that he does not want to take these steps, but there is no choice. He's a fairly moderate Republican. The managers in place have proven they are incapable of management. These situations took years to play out, it's not like they took office a month or two ago.

As far as the union issues the article raises, yes, more than likely union contracts will be affected. Actually, I'd say it's a given. What's going on in Wisconsin is not solely a Wisconsin issue. I think we can expect that the same standards that are applied to government workers on a federal level will migrate to government workers on state and local levels and for the very same reasons.

There is no answer that will satisfy progressives. Too many of them don't even feel we are having financial problems across the nation. They see no need for any change to the status quo other than perhaps increased pay and benefits for all. It's totally unrealistic but, 'totally unrealistic' describes progressives very well.

 

[rudeguy]

what does that have to do with WI?

And I dare people to come in from other states and mess with our capitol. It wouldn't be pretty.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

They're like czars but actually worth getting upset about.

 

[Slick5150]

This legislation is absolutely frightening. These appointees can break any contracts, dismiss elected officials, even disolve cities/townships if they so choose. The worst part about it is these people must be paid by the local community they're screwing over, and the Republicans even refused to cap their pay to the level of the Governor ($160,000), so god knows how much money they're going to declare they should make. The only qualifications these "managers" need is that they've gone through a 2 day training course. So basically, these will be friends of the Governor and other people who were owed a "favor".

Disgusting.

 

[Zebo]

What's funny is these fight(s) is just about what they can balance taxing AND borrowing. You have seen nothing until municipalities can't borrow anymore and taxpayers are paying 75-90% for no current services but people already retired and banks like some cities are before bankruptcy. This is all just low level precursors to going full on Libya when we go broke.


http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2058500

VALLEJO, CALIF., HAD NO CHOICE but to file a Chapter 9 bankruptcy in 2008 after property-tax revenue collapsed in the housing bust and a major employer -- the U.S. government's Mare Island Ship- yard -- closed. With the tax base hammered, rich public-employee contracts granted in better times were devouring more than 90% of the city's budget.

 

[boomerang]

This legislation is absolutely frightening. These appointees can break any contracts, dismiss elected officials, even disolve cities/townships if they so choose. The worst part about it is these people must be paid by the local community they're screwing over, and the Republicans even refused to cap their pay to the level of the Governor ($160,000), so god knows how much money they're going to declare they should make. The only qualifications these "managers" need is that they've gone through a 2 day training course. So basically, these will be friends of the Governor and other people who were owed a "favor".

Disgusting.

Well hey, let's just leave everything as it is then because the system as it stands is working fine.

I'd like to see a link on the 2 day training course.

 

[sportage]

Any state where the voters were duped into putting republicans back in power are in for an unpleasant surprise. So don't be pleasantly surprised if you are in such a state. Except maybe surprised at how gullible dumb voters can be, election after election.
I doubt most voters can even remember who GW Bush was.

 

[boomerang]

Any state where the voters were duped into putting republicans back in power are in for an unpleasant surprise. So don't be pleasantly surprised if you are in such a state. Except maybe surprised at how gullible dumb voters can be, election after election.
I doubt most voters can even remember who GW Bush was.

You know you're going to be a real terror when you get old enough to get your driver's license. You, with that kind of mobility - not good.

 

[ProfJohn]

This part I have to disagree with


Someone who is appointed to office, should not have authority over someone elected by the people.

The authority of the people come first.

And when the people continue to vote themselves benefits without the ability to pay for them then what?

 

[ProfJohn]

Any state where the voters were duped into putting republicans back in power are in for an unpleasant surprise. So don't be pleasantly surprised if you are in such a state. Except maybe surprised at how gullible dumb voters can be, election after election.
I doubt most voters can even remember who GW Bush was.

Like the Democrats who were in charge were doing a good job?

Michigan has the highest unemployment in the midwest and one of the worst in the country.

The state has been a train wreck for years and the Democrats can't provide any answers. And you wonder why people put Republicans in charge?

 

[sportage]

If voters are too stupid to realize Reagan and Bush were republicans, then that is their problem. If I remember, a republican was driving that train during those wrecks.
For years it has been the republican plan to shift federal responsibilities to the state.
You know... the BIG GOVERNMENT (SpOoKiE BiG GoVeRnMeNt...OOOWWWW) memo that republicans put out election after election.
And now voters cry in their soup over the consequences.
Just keep voting republicans into office.
They still have social security and Medicare to kill off.
And they will!

 

[rudeguy]

If voters are too stupid to realize Reagan and Bush were republicans, then that is their problem. If I remember, a republican was driving that train during those wrecks.
For years it has been the republican plan to shift federal responsibilities to the state.
You know... the BIG GOVERNMENT (SpOoKiE BiG GoVeRnMeNt...OOOWWWW) memo that republicans put out election after election.
And now voters cry in their soup over the consequences.
Just keep voting republicans into office.
They still have social security and Medicare to kill off.
And they will!

ummm...I live here so unlike you, I can speak intelligently on this.

Jenny ruined our state. When things were at their worst, her plan was to wait for stimulus money to get Michigan back on track. She was much too busy redecorating her offices to worry about things like unemployment, unions running the state and the biggest employers in the state going bankrupt.

She is responsible for the collapse of Steelcase, Herman Miller and the other furniture makers that are all but closing their doors.

You fun loving Dems can thank her for turning a whole state against your party. Prove to us that you can do something right and maybe we'll start listening. Instead all you can do is bash a guy that has been out of office for two years and another guy that is dead and buried.

 

[Doppel]

This was never going to be just Wisconsin, never ever. It is a national problem.

 

[CitizenKain]

Now that Wisconsin has to passed the budget reform bill that will fix the states budget and free the middle class from the tyranny of unions it looks like other states are looking to follow their lead:



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41998710/ns/politics-more_politics/

Awww, little Freeper sure loves his facism.

 

[comptr6]

If voters are too stupid to realize Reagan and Bush were republicans, then that is their problem. If I remember, a republican was driving that train during those wrecks.
For years it has been the republican plan to shift federal responsibilities to the state.
You know... the BIG GOVERNMENT (SpOoKiE BiG GoVeRnMeNt...OOOWWWW) memo that republicans put out election after election.
And now voters cry in their soup over the consequences.
Just keep voting republicans into office.
They still have social security and Medicare to kill off.
And they will!

I hate to burst your libtard bubble pal but Americans know Reagan was a Republican, and they're proud of it! In fact he's the most popular president ever.

To top that off when Reagan was keeping pushing the USSR out of Europe he said something like "as long as there are unions and collective bargaining there is no freedom", so the most popular president in American history even said collective barganing and unions = tyranny.

 

[MovingTarget]

I hate to burst your libtard bubble pal but Americans know Reagan was a Republican, and they're proud of it! In fact he's the most popular president ever.

To top that off when Reagan was keeping pushing the USSR out of Europe he said something like "as long as there are unions and collective bargaining there is no freedom", so the most popular president in American history even said collective barganing and unions = tyranny.

Just......no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orwN4WKhriw&feature=player_embedded

Ronald Reagan in fact said that it was a basic right to be able to form free trade unions and to strike.

 

[JACKHAMMER]

To top that off when Reagan was keeping pushing the USSR out of Europe he said something like "as long as there are unions and collective bargaining there is no freedom", so the most popular president in American history even said collective barganing and unions = tyranny.

You have that quote backwards, but don't let that stop your fantasy.

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland … They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost."

 

[ProfJohn]

BTW Reagan started his political career as the head of the Actors unions...

 

[Slick5150]

Well hey, let's just leave everything as it is then because the system as it stands is working fine.

I'd like to see a link on the 2 day training course.

Here's a Detroit News article that references it:

Agency spokesman Terry Stanton said 65 people participated in a two-day emergency financial manager training session in February.

http://detnews.com/article/20110309...ency-manager-bills-move-forward#ixzz1GGEg7guO
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[umbrella39]

ummm...I live here so unlike you, I can speak intelligently on this.

Jenny ruined our state.

Yeah, the manufacturing/automobile problems were totally her fault. She sucked hard but NO ONE could have done a damn thing about it. You could just as easily blame Bush whose fault it wasn't either.

 

[CitizenKain]

I hate to burst your libtard bubble pal but Americans know Reagan was a Republican, and they're proud of it! In fact he's the most popular president ever.

To top that off when Reagan was keeping pushing the USSR out of Europe he said something like "as long as there are unions and collective bargaining there is no freedom", so the most popular president in American history even said collective barganing and unions = tyranny.

Actual quote: "These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland. The values that have inspired other dissidents under Communist domination. They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost. They remind us that freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. You and I must protect and preserve freedom here or it will not be passed on to our children."

Better go back to jimrob and the rest of the sycophants.

 

[Acanthus]

Yeah, the manufacturing/automobile problems were totally her fault. She sucked hard but NO ONE could have done a damn thing about it. You could just as easily blame Bush whose fault it wasn't either.

Explain Ford.

 

[umbrella39]

Explain Ford.

She didn't ruin the State. She certainly didn't help either. But I'm talking about the jobs/highest unemployment numbers, not Ford's profits. Just because Ford is doing great doesn't mean the people here are. They are getting better but Detroit still has a long, long way to go. None of that is her making. Jenny doesn't explain Fords profits.