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Michigan starting round 2 of the War on Women

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nehalem256 said:
This is a blatant lie. Only a man is forced by the state to perform deeds based on having sex.

Women are free to opt out of responsibility by

(1) Having abortion
(2) Safe Haven laws.
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Stop lying. If you can only argue your point by lying, that's a sign you are wrong.

In all of those cases the responsibility for both parties is at all times the same. At all times each party has control of their own bodies and in each case both parents have an identical responsibility towards the state at all times.

You are requesting either asymmetrical control over people's bodies or asymmetric responsibility. I'm sorry but we believe in equality for all in this case, so we cannot permit you to give men special privileges no matter how many times you keep asking for them.
 
Incorruptible said:
This is an excellent idea, it would be easier for them to get and the taxpayer doesn't have to pay for it.
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Do you have any Stats on how many abortions you are paying for and also more importantly are you paying for all Abortions? Oh to add further if you aren't "paying" for the abortion do you feel you still have the right to dictate what that woman does with her body?
 
Can any Rightist comment on the direct correlation to these Stats?

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Ausm said:
Do you have any Stats on how many abortions you are paying for and also more importantly are you paying for all Abortions? Oh to add further if you aren't "paying" for the abortion do you feel you still have the right to dictate what that woman does with her body?
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As long as taxpayers pay then they should have some control. Don't make me pay for the birth control, abortion and welfare and then let them do what they want.
 
Incorruptible said:
As long as taxpayers pay then they should have some control. Don't make me pay for the birth control, abortion and welfare and then let them do what they want.
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Ez stop paying taxes and don't carry Health Insurance then you should be happy as a hog in shit then....
 
Oldgamer said:
Well that is assuming women have insurance and access to birth control. However, my loose comment is more towards the fact that opponents against birth control and the push by a number of tea party republicans to try and restrict access is what I was pointing towards.

We seem to forget the poor in this mix too. Since so many PP clinics have been regulated to death, and quite a number have been shut down, that leaves poor women having to "jump through hoops" trying to find someone to prescribe, or get free birth control.

It may be only 10 dollars for someone who has insurance but for someone who is poor, works a minimum wage job with no benefits is shit out of luck. So then the cost is a major factor.

There are a lot of hoops now that do exist, primarily for the uninsured and poor, so they may have access but it may be limited by factors, but if the "crazy, teapukes" have their way "they will find ways to shut that down".
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Shit costs money. Just because Republicans aren't going to hand deliver BC to your door with a little ribbon wrapped around it, for free, does not mean they are making you "jump through hoops".
 
eskimospy said:
Stop lying. If you can only argue your point by lying, that's a sign you are wrong.

In all of those cases the responsibility for both parties is at all times the same. At all times each party has control of their own bodies and in each case both parents have an identical responsibility towards the state at all times.

You are requesting either asymmetrical control over people's bodies or asymmetric responsibility. I'm sorry but we believe in equality for all in this case, so we cannot permit you to give men special privileges no matter how many times you keep asking for them.
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Women are allowed to abandon their children at hospitals after birth without the knowledge or consent of the father.

This is irrefutably not equal.

Also see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-him.html?ICO=most_read_module#axzz2KVrpo7ut

In which a mother takes a man's child and has it adopted without his consent. Imagine if a man took his child out of the nursery at the hospital and drove several states away to have it adopted without the consent of the mother. It would called child abduction.

EDIT: At no point is a woman held responsible for anything that comes out a man's body. Why should men be responsible for things that come out a woman's body?
 
nehalem256 said:
Women are allowed to abandon their children at hospitals after birth without the knowledge or consent of the father.

This is irrefutably not equal.

Also see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-him.html?ICO=most_read_module#axzz2KVrpo7ut

In which a mother takes a man's child and has it adopted without his consent. Imagine if a man took his child out of the nursery at the hospital and drove several states away to have it adopted without the consent of the mother. It would called child abduction.

EDIT: At no point is a woman held responsible for anything that comes out a man's body. Why should men be responsible for things that come out a woman's body?
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Actually any parent is allowed to do that, not just women. Due to physiology however it is less likely for women not to be aware of the child, but that doesn't change equality under the law. In this case, once again, both parties have the same rights. Equality for all.

Stop asking for special privileges for men.
 
nehalem256 said:
Women are allowed to abandon their children at hospitals after birth without the knowledge or consent of the father.

This is irrefutably not equal.

Also see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-him.html?ICO=most_read_module#axzz2KVrpo7ut

In which a mother takes a man's child and has it adopted without his consent. Imagine if a man took his child out of the nursery at the hospital and drove several states away to have it adopted without the consent of the mother. It would called child abduction.

EDIT: At no point is a woman held responsible for anything that comes out a man's body. Why should men be responsible for things that come out a woman's body?
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If a woman put something in a man's body, maybe she would be. That would be holding with our continued tradition of equality for all. In that case as well, the man would have a choice about what to do with whatever it was the woman placed there.

See how easy this is?
 
eskimospy said:
Actually any parent is allowed to do that, not just women. Due to physiology however it is less likely for women not to be aware of the child, but that doesn't change equality under the law. In this case, once again, both parties have the same rights. Equality for all.

Stop asking for special privileges for men.
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You mean impossible.

Yeah. Heaven forbid men have equal rights in saying what happens to their children. Apparently they only have right to their children if a woman says so.

EDIT: And you do realize that even under the Republican view everyone has equal rights to make choices about there body. Men are not allowed to get abortions if they are pregnant either 😀
 
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nehalem256 said:
You mean impossible.

Yeah. Heaven forbid men have equal rights in saying what happens to their children. Apparently they only have right to their children if a woman says so.

EDIT: And you do realize that even under the Republican view everyone has equal rights to make choices about there body. Men are not allowed to get abortions if they are pregnant either 😀
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Both parties have equal rights and responsibilities at every phase. No matter how much you want special privileges for men, you won't be getting them.

Yes, under the Republican view both parties would have equal treatment in that Republicans would be violating both people's right to control their body.
 
eskimospy said:
Both parties have equal rights and responsibilities at every phase. No matter how much you want special privileges for men, you won't be getting them.

Yes, under the Republican view both parties would have equal treatment in that Republicans would be violating both people's right to control their body.
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Then it would seem that child support also violates both people's right to control their body. A little thing called the 13th Amendment.
 
nehalem256 said:
Then it would seem that child support also violates both people's right to control their body. A little thing called the 13th Amendment.
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Nope. The 13th amendment in no way prohibits the enforcement of legal judgments against people. The man freely undertook an action from which he incurred a responsibility.

You don't appear to understand the constitution very well. Don't you ever tire of getting owned on this subject?
 
eskimospy said:
Nope. The 13th amendment in no way prohibits the enforcement of legal judgments against people. The man freely undertook an action from which he incurred a responsibility.

You don't appear to understand the constitution very well. Don't you ever tire of getting owned on this subject?
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LMAO! I was thinking the same but you got to give the dude props for being persistently wrong. 😉
 
Ausm said:
Then grow a pair and stop paying taxes, goto jail and make a statement.
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Not sure if serious, The income tax shouldn't even exist and people shouldn't go to jail for breaking an unjust law.

If people want birth control then let them pay for it but dont steal from others and make them pay for it.
 
Incorruptible said:
Not sure if serious, The income tax shouldn't even exist and people shouldn't go to jail for breaking an unjust law.

If people want birth control then let them pay for it but dont steal from others and make them pay for it.
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Test your theory then and don't pay your taxes maybe the IRS will agree with you that ROE vs Wade is an unjust law then by their power overturn it by themselves.
 
eskimospy said:
Nope. The 13th amendment in no way prohibits the enforcement of legal judgments against people. The man freely undertook an action from which he incurred a responsibility.
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And Republicans apply this exact logic in banning abortions.

Women do not lose the right to make choices about their body. The woman freely undertook an action from which she incurred a responsibility.
 
nehalem256 said:
And Republicans apply this exact logic in banning abortions.

Women do not lose the right to make choices about their body. The woman freely undertook an action from which she incurred a responsibility.
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Yes, if she has the child she must pay to support it. The government's power does not extend to preventing her from getting medical procedures. The government's power does extend to making people support their children though.

If you don't like what the constitution says I'm sorry, but it doesn't change it. The constitution gives the government the right to enforce parental responsibility. It does not give it the right to control women's bodies. (or men's for that matter. Equality for all)
 
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