Michigan Protesters Cause Gridlock

[Fanatical Meat]

More of the same from the Right; HELP!! THIS MAN IS OPPRESSING ME BY NOT ALLOWING ME TO OPPRESS OTHERS!!

Dumb-dumb don’t you understand the FUCK YO FEELINGS crowd literally means fuck your feelings, not mine.

 

[Homerboy]

One of the things these protesters seem to forget: the virus doesn't care what you think.

You really, really think your job and desire to go the park are more important than safety? Doesn't matter, the virus will happily kill your entire family if it's so inclined. It doesn't care what religion you believe in, which political party you support or how much money you have in the bank. Really, really believing you won't get infected doesn't change reality.

Good news. The Virus didn't forget.

 

[Bitek]

This is a false choice though, for example airlines are not closed and face no restrictions whatsoever yet air traffic is down like 90%. It is fear of the virus that is destroying their business.

Until we have some effective treatment or the prospect that infection isn’t so likely or not so bad those businesses aren’t coming back anyway. If you reopened them all tomorrow they would probably get something like 30-40% of their business back. What that means is they are all going bankrupt anyway, only now we get a whole bunch of additional infections for our trouble. I mean if movie theaters reopened today and you got a free ticket, would you go? I wouldn’t.

This is the truth. Dumb tea partiers can protest all they want, but no one is showing up to their stupid store if they think they'll get sick from some careless dumfuk.

Any protest signs for all the bailout money amongst the riffraff, or do they still only care if it's a D in the WH?

 

[esquared]

I know for a fact there are more test kits produced than have been performed.

I am more concerned about the Antibody testing going on.
It looks like the dipstick tests that can be unreliable. These things we manufactured so quickly that I am guessing
that proper testing wasn't done and they were unleashed on the world.
Here the UK bought 2M test at 10 ea and they don't work

U.K. Paid $20 Million for New Coronavirus Tests. They Didn’t Work. (Published 2020)

Facing a global scramble for materials, British officials bought millions of unproven kits from China in a gamble that became an embarrassment.

www.nytimes.com

Take a look at the serological labeled tests. Almost none have any government approval.

Coronavirus Test Tracker: Commercially Available COVID-19 Diagnostic Tests | 360Dx

360Dx regularly updates this tracker to provide readers with accurate information on the regulatory status of these tests in the US, European, and Asian markets.

www.360dx.com

Most of them come from China and the ones in the NYT article
"The two Chinese companies offering the antibody tests, AllTest Biotech and Wondfo Biotech, both said their products met the health, safety and environmental standards set by the European Union. "

Now AllTest is on that 360dx list under:

​

Hangzhou AllTest Biotech

AllTest 2019-nCoV IgG/IgM Rapid Test Cassette, AllTest COVID IgG/IgM Rapid Test Dipstick

which shows EUA is not required

​

Promedical

COVID-19 Rapid Test, Wondfo SARS-CoV-2 Antibody Test (Lateral Flow Method)

Also shows EUA not required


There kinds of tests are Point of Care tests and they should be verified with another, more accurate test.

Just like the HIV dipstick tests that have been around for quite some time, and positive needs to be verified
by PCR or at the minimum, an ELISA. My feeling is that these were slapped together pretty fast for sale
and on these IgM/IgG dipstick tests, I would not base a pos result as the final say so without followup testing.

 

[pmv]

All it really takes is more money and swabs. According to many authorities, there are labs sitting idle. (This is how the admin gets away with saying there are plenty of tests). Seems our wonderful private based health insurance system is not doing freebees so here we sit.

However, even with the NHS, our govenment is proving very poor at getting testing up-and-running. It seems like there's a complete lack of direction or strategy at the top. With testing they seem to think all they need to do is announce a 'target', then they can sit back and forget all about it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Word & FUCK YO‘ FEELS

 

[Vic]

I, for one, am looking forward to the results from these control groups.

 

[fskimospy]

However, even with the NHS, our govenment is proving very poor at getting testing up-and-running. It seems like there's a complete lack of direction or strategy at the top. With testing they seem to think all they need to do is announce a 'target', then they can sit back and forget all about it.

Trump is now bragging about having conducted 4 million tests, which is something they promised to have accomplished in mid-March.

 

[ondma]

Trump is now bragging about having conducted 4 million tests, which is something they promised to have accomplished in mid-March.

Yea, I like how Trump always brags about how we have performed more tests than any other country. He conveniently forgets to mention that we have 5 to 10 time the population of most of the European countries.

I wish some reporter would say "We have done the most tests, but don't we have the most deaths as well?'.

 

[brycejones]

Yea, I like how Trump always brags about how we have performed more tests than any other country. He conveniently forgets to mention that we have 5 to 10 time the population of most of the European countries.

I wish some reporter would say "We have done the most tests, but don't we have the most deaths as well?'.

What a nasty question, so disrespectful.

 

[brycejones]

Word & FUCK YO‘ FEELS

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Damn that's a lot of virgins.

 

[dawp]

ya wanna bet we start hearing about these morons coming down with covid19 in two weeks.

 

[HomerJS]

ya wanna bet we start hearing about these morons coming down with covid19 in two weeks.

I won't go as far to wish for it but if it did happen I would smile and not give a fuck. No more fucks to give for those idiots.

 

[EduCat]

I mean look at these dudes in georgia, one guy has tactical earmuffs on? i dont get it, but it looks like it worked because georgia is reopening on friday for things like massages? lmao. Bizarro world for sure. You heard it here first just wait till they 'reopen' everything, then the govt aint gotta do shit and let all these buisnesses fail on their own because no ones going to fkn bowling alleys on friday. Waiting until most are comfortable is the best option or bankruptcy is the next step.

Maybe im wrong.

Group protests Georgia’s coronavirus-related closures

Photos showed that some of the attendees wore face coverings and brought firearms. Others held signs that said “We will not comply” and “Open Georgia from the lockdown.”

www.ajc.com

Georgia governor to reopen some businesses as early as Friday as other states signal similar plans

Georgia Republican Gov. Brian Kemp announced Monday that certain businesses can reopen this week in a move that breaks from the majority of state leaders and defies the warnings of many public health officials.

www.cnn.com

 

[Jaskalas]

I am more concerned about the Antibody testing going on.

When people tell me our economy should be shuttered until we can perform full testing. My jaw drops.

This is the United States, we may not ever achieve full and accurate testing.

 

[Jaskalas]

Shit happens. Like it or not, the virus is here, it is highly contagious, and killing people. Sometimes life comes down to making the best of bad choices. The only other alternative is accepting a death toll of at least several times what we are going to see now. (currently 40,000+ and counting). Is that what you are proposing we should do?

The choice that has been made is only from a health perspective, not an economic one.

The economy is the ONLY thing standing between us and the guns of a hungry and desperate people. You say we're making the best of bad choices, I don't think you comprehend just how bad the choice we've made is. This is the United States, our safety net has HUGE gaping holes in it. In a time of economic crisis we will fail people, by the millions. Like never before, as we've never been in such an interdependent and financially starved position before, as a people, as a society. Trickle down means we're living on the edge. Congratulations, we've just been pushed off.

The consequences are building every week for more and more Americans. Only solace I can find is... I don't know how responsible our government is in creating this economic collapse. Sure, they ordered and mandated it. But people were already starting to panic and cancel travel and sports, and lots of public gatherings anyway. The virus alone is bad for the economy and I don't know how much of it is that VS how much we've done to ourselves. Or as Republicans would say... how much the government has harmed us in this.

And the whole "no evictions" thing. A delay. Not like people are going to afford catching up in back pay two or three months from now. We have strung out the consequences, but they will reverberate through our society for years to come. I don't see how, in this country, we make people whole again. How we save them from falling through the cracks. This is America, we live in a system designed for us to fail. That is how I see this ending. A greater depression... or worse.

 

[ondma]

The choice that has been made is only from a health perspective, not an economic one.

The economy is the ONLY thing standing between us and the guns of a hungry and desperate people. You say we're making the best of bad choices, I don't think you comprehend just how bad the choice we've made is. This is the United States, our safety net has HUGE gaping holes in it. In a time of economic crisis we will fail people, by the millions. Like never before, as we've never been in such an interdependent and financially starved position before, as a people, as a society. Trickle down means we're living on the edge. Congratulations, we've just been pushed off.

The consequences are building every week for more and more Americans. Only solace I can find is... I don't know how responsible our government is in creating this economic collapse. Sure, they ordered and mandated it. But people were already starting to panic and cancel travel and sports, and lots of public gatherings anyway. The virus alone is bad for the economy and I don't know how much of it is that VS how much we've done to ourselves. Or as Republicans would say... how much the government has harmed us in this.

And the whole "no evictions" thing. A delay. Not like people are going to afford catching up in back pay two or three months from now. We have strung out the consequences, but they will reverberate through our society for years to come. I don't see how, in this country, we make people whole again. How we save them from falling through the cracks. This is America, we live in a system designed for us to fail. That is how I see this ending. A greater depression... or worse.

So, we just let them get Covid and die. No problem.

 

[theeedude]

What happens when there is a resurgence of COVID due to premature reopening? Are these governors just going to ignore it? Otherwise they would have to admit to having made a disastrous decision.

 

[uallas5]

What happens when there is a resurgence of COVID due to premature reopening? Are these governors just going to ignore it? Otherwise they would have to admit to having made a disastrous decision.

New cases won't show up for weeks and these aren't the types to think even that far ahead.

 

[pauldun170]

What happens when there is a resurgence of COVID due to premature reopening? Are these governors just going to ignore it? Otherwise they would have to admit to having made a disastrous decision.

They will simply blame it on "outsiders" travelling from states that are still on lockdown with the narrative that lockdowns simply drive people out of states and do not work.
In Georgia's case, they will, probably start highlighting cases in black communities and how the "black community needs to do blah blah blah"
In other states, they will probably start the narrative that is the illegal immigrants spreading it.
All that's left are for people to start blaming Jews and the drinking game hits the double shot round of play.

 

[fskimospy]

The choice that has been made is only from a health perspective, not an economic one.

The economy is the ONLY thing standing between us and the guns of a hungry and desperate people. You say we're making the best of bad choices, I don't think you comprehend just how bad the choice we've made is. This is the United States, our safety net has HUGE gaping holes in it. In a time of economic crisis we will fail people, by the millions. Like never before, as we've never been in such an interdependent and financially starved position before, as a people, as a society. Trickle down means we're living on the edge. Congratulations, we've just been pushed off.

The consequences are building every week for more and more Americans. Only solace I can find is... I don't know how responsible our government is in creating this economic collapse. Sure, they ordered and mandated it. But people were already starting to panic and cancel travel and sports, and lots of public gatherings anyway. The virus alone is bad for the economy and I don't know how much of it is that VS how much we've done to ourselves. Or as Republicans would say... how much the government has harmed us in this.

And the whole "no evictions" thing. A delay. Not like people are going to afford catching up in back pay two or three months from now. We have strung out the consequences, but they will reverberate through our society for years to come. I don't see how, in this country, we make people whole again. How we save them from falling through the cracks. This is America, we live in a system designed for us to fail. That is how I see this ending. A greater depression... or worse.

Looks like most businesses in Georgia aren’t reopening anyway. This is because this is a public health problem, not an economic regulation problem.

States can ‘reopen’ all they want, the collapse in demand will not go away and if anything it stands a good chance to make the economic damage even worse because the few people that do go out will further increase the rate of infection.

As I’ve said earlier, just look at the airlines. The government has put no restrictions on them at all yet air travel is down 90%.

 

[amrnuke]

So, we just let them get Covid and die. No problem.

I am 100% in the camp of staying shut down. We need to keep things locked down.

Pandemics happen, and pandemics cause economies to suffer. That's just how it is. Nothing we do will stop that. If we re-open too soon, 100,000+ more will die, we enter an even longer shutdown at that point - and if we don't shut down at that point, what, half a million die? On the other hand, if we stay locked down, some businesses and corporations will fail, working people will move from furlough to layoff, go bankrupt, people will fall so far behind on rent and mortgages that once the eviction restriction is lifted, they'll be evicted. It'll be bad either way. That's because it's a global pandemic. That's what happens. We will not come out of this without a massive amount of further suffering and nothing we do will change that, outside of giving every American a universal basic income.

So if both ways will suck, the way that keeps the most people alive possible is the best way, because if the tradeoff is more deaths more money, versus less deaths less money, a person wanting to reopen the economies while we're still suffering 1500-2000 deaths a day is saying that money is more important than American lives. Which is unpatriotic unless you think like Westboro Baptist Church "thank God for dead Americans."

Here's what's scary economically: 1) It is going to make income inequality even worse. 2) We are already 20+ trillion dollars in debt (100+% of our GDP), and a 1-2 month extension of a shutdown will result in 2-4 trillion more in debt by the government, minimum. Our yearly interest payments alone are hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars. If you realize and are angry about the government using SS and Medicare funds as a piggy bank for years, you ain't seen nothing yet.

But there is no way that reopening the economy will stop that. With each round of recession - early 90s, early 2000s, 2008-2009 - we have seen the top 1% and top 5% increase their % of national wealth while the bottom 90% lose % of national wealth. That will continue no matter whether we reopen or not. The wealthy will continue to be wealthy. But the poor will suffer no matter how we handle this. And then to say the bottom 90% needs to suffer more deaths so they can have their jobs, that's just absolutely kicking them while they're down.

This is a no-win situation either way for the American people as a whole. Full stop.

But at least if we put lives before money, they'll still be alive. Every American is endowed with inalienable rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. First among them, life. Our governments thinking about opening businesses and knowing that decision will kill Americans - they're being unpatriotic and selfish.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Looks like most businesses in Georgia aren’t reopening anyway. This is because this is a public health problem, not an economic regulation problem.

States can ‘reopen’ all they want, the collapse in demand will not go away and if anything it stands a good chance to make the economic damage even worse because the few people that do go out will further increase the rate of infection.

As I’ve said earlier, just look at the airlines. The government has put no restrictions on them at all yet air travel is down 90%.

Republicans will fix those Liberal Cucks, he will just order everyone to be open 12 hours per day.

 

[pauldun170]

The choice that has been made is only from a health perspective, not an economic one.

The economy is the ONLY thing standing between us and the guns of a hungry and desperate people. You say we're making the best of bad choices, I don't think you comprehend just how bad the choice we've made is. This is the United States, our safety net has HUGE gaping holes in it. In a time of economic crisis we will fail people, by the millions. Like never before, as we've never been in such an interdependent and financially starved position before, as a people, as a society. Trickle down means we're living on the edge. Congratulations, we've just been pushed off.

The consequences are building every week for more and more Americans. Only solace I can find is... I don't know how responsible our government is in creating this economic collapse. Sure, they ordered and mandated it. But people were already starting to panic and cancel travel and sports, and lots of public gatherings anyway. The virus alone is bad for the economy and I don't know how much of it is that VS how much we've done to ourselves. Or as Republicans would say... how much the government has harmed us in this.

And the whole "no evictions" thing. A delay. Not like people are going to afford catching up in back pay two or three months from now. We have strung out the consequences, but they will reverberate through our society for years to come. I don't see how, in this country, we make people whole again. How we save them from falling through the cracks. This is America, we live in a system designed for us to fail. That is how I see this ending. A greater depression... or worse.

I n regards to the link , the solution is a single payer health care system.
Republicans are the obstacle. they are the direct cause of obstacles in our various safety nets, economic and health and global security.
Don't believe me? Watch C-span. Read the half the shit they try and put into law. Observe fucking voting records.
In regards to the economy.
We are more than capable of providing basic necessities to persons residing in the United Sates while we deal with a national emergency. The economy will recover in a timely manner. Laws are a "thing" and providing protections to consumers\renters can handle the short term , allowing for the expected rollout issues. Long term protections, grants and loans can help deal with mid term recovery. The federal government and state governments simple need to perform their duties.
Opening up based on organized "angry white people" narratives is not the answer.


This is not the end of the fucking world. It's a temporary situation where the US has to operate in a manner to control a virus that actually threatens the people. We are looking at a few more months of ups and downs until effective treatments are rolled out. Once that's done and mortality rates decline significantly restrictions will loosen up even more and next thing you know covid-19 vaccines will be the big thing that Anti-vaxxers base their stu[pid ass conspiracy theories on.
Not terrorists. Not some damn fake war on X. Not whatever is the bullshit fantasies of gun nuts.
Something that actually kills people.

You summer children have never known winter.

 

[Bitek]

I am more concerned about the Antibody testing going on.
It looks like the dipstick tests that can be unreliable. These things we manufactured so quickly that I am guessing
that proper testing wasn't done and they were unleashed on the world.
Here the UK bought 2M test at 10 ea and they don't work

U.K. Paid $20 Million for New Coronavirus Tests. They Didn’t Work. (Published 2020)

Facing a global scramble for materials, British officials bought millions of unproven kits from China in a gamble that became an embarrassment.

www.nytimes.com

Take a look at the serological labeled tests. Almost none have any government approval.

Coronavirus Test Tracker: Commercially Available COVID-19 Diagnostic Tests | 360Dx

360Dx regularly updates this tracker to provide readers with accurate information on the regulatory status of these tests in the US, European, and Asian markets.

www.360dx.com

Most of them come from China and the ones in the NYT article
"The two Chinese companies offering the antibody tests, AllTest Biotech and Wondfo Biotech, both said their products met the health, safety and environmental standards set by the European Union. "

Now AllTest is on that 360dx list under:

​

Hangzhou AllTest Biotech

AllTest 2019-nCoV IgG/IgM Rapid Test Cassette, AllTest COVID IgG/IgM Rapid Test Dipstick

which shows EUA is not required

​

Promedical

COVID-19 Rapid Test, Wondfo SARS-CoV-2 Antibody Test (Lateral Flow Method)

Also shows EUA not required


There kinds of tests are Point of Care tests and they should be verified with another, more accurate test.

Just like the HIV dipstick tests that have been around for quite some time, and positive needs to be verified
by PCR or at the minimum, an ELISA. My feeling is that these were slapped together pretty fast for sale
and on these IgM/IgG dipstick tests, I would not base a pos result as the final say so without followup testing.

Yeah, one of the dangers with the FDA loosening/removing requirements for approval (eg normal pilot lots/validation lots/clinical data), coupled with the high demand and panic, means a lot of crap will come through.

Don't count on Trump to direct taking a balanced approach. He wants numbers and daily talking points.