Michelle Obama, "This is not normal. This is not politics as usual."

[skyking]

OK then, prove your predator comment. The outrage over Clinton was over consensual acts, not groping or ogling naked girls under your control.

 

[sandorski]

What's odd about this is that despite voluminous investigations of Clinton there is basically no evidence of significant corruption. Feel free to tell me how you think I'm wrong but I bet ahead of time that nearly every example you give will involve a boatload of innuendo without any 'documented proof' whatsoever.

I doubt there has ever been a clearer choice for president than this one.

According to what I was told on FB, Bildebergs!

 

[fskimospy]

Thing is... whatever you are accusing Trump of here, Mr. "Best President Evah!" Clinton did, and Hillary stood by and was, in that way, complicit. Let's grant your point here, but no matter who wins both parties are putting a predator back in the White House.

Are not Democrats "normalize sexual assault" by supporting the Clintons?

Are you saying that a wife should be held responsible for the actions of her husband?

 

[flexy]

OK then, prove your predator comment. The outrage over Clinton was over consensual acts, not groping or ogling naked girls under your control.

I actually don't get the outrage over Bill anyway...he isn't running for prez. What relevancy has Bill for this election?

Trumper logic: Bill was banging (?) an intern decades ago --> makes Hillary not fit for prez? LOGIC?!?!

 

[skyking]

That's the whole deal, Flexy. It is not relevant and never will be, so they must lie and embellish it. next thing you know it will be rape, and back alley abortions by Hillary to cover it up.

 

[Aikouka]

Ok, sure. Let's get legally specific. Hers is misfeasance and not malfeasance.

As FBI Director James Comey, a life-long Republican, put it regarding e-mail-gate, the one "controversy" surrounding Hillary Clinton with any substance at all:

Honestly, this is one of the things that pisses off a lot of people that I know, and while I don't support Trump, I understand where they're coming from. The thing is... I'm a bit wary about Comey's words here, because I understand the seriousness at which the government takes spillage. Although, to be clear, there is a difference between willful spillage and accidental.

An example of the latter would be a story that a coworker told me where someone crafted a PowerPoint slide, and used a source that had sensitive information on it. The person didn't need that sensitive information, so they simply covered it up, which is actually fine. The problem is... they didn't "burn in" the covers, which meant they were free-form, malleable objects, and apparently, the guy's meeting was boring enough that someone was messing with the slides and found the sensitive information. The attendees' laptops were confiscated and wiped without any regard to the data on them. In this case, the person took the right steps, but screwed up in their execution. I don't recall what happened to the guy, but I don't think he got into any serious trouble.

What irks the people that I know is that Clinton's actions eke far more toward willful than accidental, and these people understand the consequences of screwing up. Willful spillage usually results in either hefty fines, incarceration, and/or loss of employment. So, what makes these people so mad is that they believe that if they did the same thing as Clinton that they would definitely NOT be let off without any repercussions. Even in regard to accidental spillage, if you were that guy in the story above, you would probably be quite scared of losing your clearance, which if that happened, you would likely lose your job.

 

[glenn1]

No argument from me, Glenn. None at all. Partisan bullshit is by no means one sided either.
"They did it first" leads to a whole lot of embarrassing crap going on. That's how the US got to #20. this is not a dig, just an example. Gerrymandering. In response the dems do something equally deplorable.
The rest of the free countries get to point and laugh.

Thank you for not assuming because I dinged the credibility or motivations of someone criticizing Trump, that in turn means I support Trump or think the criticism isn't valid. A statement can be judged on both a factual basis and an influencing basis. The first is completely independent of the merits/demerits or nature of the person making the statement, whereas the second is highly dependent on the person making it. Someone who is the wife of the sitting Democratic president speaking ill of the Republican candidate for President to succeed her husband might be truthful but isn't influential since it's expected and needs to be discounted for her partisanship and past statements like "proud for the first time." Whereas someone like John McCain criticizing Trump would have more influencing power because he's going against his political self-interest and there's no question about distractions like "proud for the first time."

 

[agent00f]

Her pride in country is completely situational and she won't be again as soon as the "wrong" person gets the Presidency.

You should organize a national group of like minded individuals to go after Michelle Obama for saying all those mean things about the Don. Putting an extremely popular first lady in her place is sure going to show them liberals what's what.

 

[agent00f]

Thank you for not assuming because I dinged the credibility or motivations of someone criticizing Trump, that in turn means I support Trump or think the criticism isn't valid. A statement can be judged on both a factual basis and an influencing basis. The first is completely independent of the merits/demerits or nature of the person making the statement, whereas the second is highly dependent on the person making it. Someone who is the wife of the sitting Democratic president speaking ill of the Republican candidate for President to succeed her husband might be truthful but isn't influential since it's expected and needs to be discounted for her partisanship and past statements like "proud for the first time." Whereas someone like John McCain criticizing Trump would have more influencing power because he's going against his political self-interest and there's no question about distractions like "proud for the first time."

Just in keep in mind that others tend to judge you by the standards you use to judge others, and you're not exactly known for saying smart things.

 

[Jhhnn]

Thing is... whatever you are accusing Trump of here, Mr. "Best President Evah!" Clinton did, and Hillary stood by and was, in that way, complicit. Let's grant your point here, but no matter who wins both parties are putting a predator back in the White House.

Are not Democrats "normalize sexual assault" by supporting the Clintons?

Bill hasn't been shown to have gloried in being a sexual predator. Trump has, revealing a truly shitty attitude about women in general. Whether either of them did any of the shit of which they're accused is quite separate from that, particularly in the minds of women.

If we think about it at all, what's more sexist than a beauty pageant, anyway, other than a strip club?

 

[Smoblikat]

Our First Lady lays the smack down on the reprehensible man-child running for President on the Republican ticket.

Donald Trump is an ignoramus, a liar of epic proportions, and an entirely despicable human being. It is the duty of all of us who care about our country to vote for the one person standing between this pile of fetid feces and our highest office.

That's all I have to say.

Exactly. Your obsession with Trump is getting kinda weird a this point..........might want to invest in some new hobbies.

I watched the part of the video you linked, it just seems like more BS emotional sales pitches meant to remove actual thought from the election and replace it with evil scary boogeymen that are out to get you, obviously all the boogeymen are on the other team, so the choice for who to vote for should be perfectly clear.

 

[agent00f]

Exactly. Your obsession with Trump is getting kinda weird a this point..........might want to invest in some new hobbies.

I watched the part of the video you linked, it just seems like more BS emotional sales pitches meant to remove actual thought from the election and replace it with evil scary boogeymen that are out to get you, obviously all the boogeymen are on the other team, so the choice for who to vote for should be perfectly clear.

Women love it when you consider them emotional and irrational too.

Between all this and "locker room talk" and equating Bill Clinton to Trump, these sorts of guys are basically HR nightmares waiting to happen.

 

[Jhhnn]

Exactly. Your obsession with Trump is getting kinda weird a this point..........might want to invest in some new hobbies.

I watched the part of the video you linked, it just seems like more BS emotional sales pitches meant to remove actual thought from the election and replace it with evil scary boogeymen that are out to get you, obviously all the boogeymen are on the other team, so the choice for who to vote for should be perfectly clear.

Gawd. Michelle is telling you how women in general feel about creeps like Trump & why. If she's not getting through then you need to take a look at yourself, not her.

 

[sdifox]

Exactly. Your obsession with Trump is getting kinda weird a this point..........might want to invest in some new hobbies.

I watched the part of the video you linked, it just seems like more BS emotional sales pitches meant to remove actual thought from the election and replace it with evil scary boogeymen that are out to get you, obviously all the boogeymen are on the other team, so the choice for who to vote for should be perfectly clear.

Even Glenn Beck said Michelle's speech is devastating to the Conservative Movement. Or are you calling him Liberal Media?

 

[agent00f]

Even Glenn Beck said Michelle's speech is devastating to the Conservative Movement. Or are you calling him Liberal Media?

OTOH Rush Limbaugh totally agrees with these clowns. Can't lose with women when you got a guy like that on your side.

 

[fskimospy]

OTOH Rush Limbaugh totally agrees with these clowns. Can't lose with women when you got a guy like that on your side.

I remember a number of years ago Rush said he was done 'carrying water' for Republicans. First, I thought that was an amazing admission that he's just a hack, but second it appears he has decided to go back to water carrying.

 

[agent00f]

I remember a number of years ago Rush said he was done 'carrying water' for Republicans. First, I thought that was an amazing admission that he's just a hack, but second it appears he has decided to go back to water carrying.

He's OG deplorable, and deplorables gonna deplore.

 

[Puffnstuff]

No thanks, unlike Perknose I don't feel a need to create fully 1/7th of all threads in ATPN in the last few days (13 threads out of 100) having basically the exact same topic. Perhaps a Mayne style post limit should be considered.

Please don't enact such a limit and steal my thunder.😱😛😀 The Don + conducting a rhetorical analysis on my own beliefs revealed to me that I was really a Democrat hiding behind religion in the Republican party at which point I achieved awareness and took corrective action.

 

[glenn1]

Please don't enact such a limit and steal my thunder.😱😛😀 The Don + conducting a rhetorical analysis on my own beliefs revealed to me that I was really a Democrat hiding behind religion in the Republican party at which point I achieved awareness and took corrective action.

Yeah, now imagine being a libertarian and seeing both major party candidates and trying to divine a "corrective action" out of that pair. Think how bad things have gotten when an avowed Socialist is the best candidate by far in either major party when it comes to civil liberties. Think how bad things are when the choice isn't whether you pick someone who will raise taxes a few percentage points or gin up some new "family values" campaign to rile up the midwest rubes but are just hoping whichever one who gets picked doesn't end up resigning like Nixon or getting the entire sixth fleet sunk.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, now imagine being a libertarian and seeing both major party candidates and trying to divine a "corrective action" out of that pair. Think how bad things have gotten when an avowed Socialist is the best candidate by far in either major party when it comes to civil liberties. Think how bad things are when the choice isn't whether you pick someone who will raise taxes a few percentage points or gin up some new "family values" campaign to rile up the midwest rubes but are just hoping whichever one who gets picked doesn't end up resigning like Nixon or getting the entire sixth fleet sunk.

Imagine your own headset being most of the problem.

 

[Perknose]

Think how bad things have gotten when an avowed Socialist is the best candidate by far in either major party when it comes to civil liberties.

Bernie Sanders would protect our civil liberties with more integrity than any public political leader I can think of. The fear and anxiety pulsating through your YUUUUGE amygdala has rendered you blind and stupid if you think otherwise.

BOO!

Hahahahahaha!

Your irrational fear of . . . a Socialist . . . just made you crap your political pants.

 

[sdifox]

Yeah, now imagine being a libertarian and seeing both major party candidates and trying to divine a "corrective action" out of that pair. Think how bad things have gotten when an avowed Socialist is the best candidate by far in either major party when it comes to civil liberties. Think how bad things are when the choice isn't whether you pick someone who will raise taxes a few percentage points or gin up some new "family values" campaign to rile up the midwest rubes but are just hoping whichever one who gets picked doesn't end up resigning like Nixon or getting the entire sixth fleet sunk.

Libertarian, you mean the guy that said "What is Aleppo?"

 

[Muse]

Her pride in country is completely situational and she won't be again as soon as the "wrong" person gets the Presidency.

He isn't just the wrong person, he's a poster boy for a disaster taking over the executive branch of the US government. It would be hard for me to feel pride in my country should that sack of shit win the presidency.

 

[C1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84PdPFBGArc&feature=youtu.be

 

[trenchfoot]

August Gallup Poll has Michelle's favorability rating at 64%, higher than her husband, Hillary and Trump.

With that in mind, and with her consistent favorability ratings throughout her husband's terms, I'd say she is in an excellent position to bring forward the Dem's platform in a favorable light AND also expose Trump's failings in a believable, hard hitting fashion that sticks.

She is the gold standard that has no peer in regards to her integrity, her honesty and her trustworthiness.

The sharpest sword in the Dem's armory IMO.