Michael Moore: You Money Isn't Yours - Its The Peoples

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shiner

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
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No one can own things like land, minerals, and other resources. All of these things belong to the people. If these things are used to make money, then that money too belongs to the people.

The oil, natural gas and coal under my family's land is ours, not yours, not "the people's".

We own the mineral rights and the companies extracting them pay us for the right to do so.

If you want it to be otherwise I would suggest moving somewhere that has a less favorable view on individual property rights. I hear China is lovely this time of year....
 

xj0hnx

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Dec 18, 2007
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I am talking about every place in the world. People might claim to own these things, but they don't. They belong to all of the people, and always will.

The home you live in, you live in it because the people say you can live on that land.

No idiot, I live in it because I work, and I paid for it, it was never yours or "the peoples", you and the rest of our ilk are disgusting entitlement mentality wastes of oxygen. Come try and take what I work for chump.
 

jhbball

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Mar 20, 2002
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The oil, natural gas and coal under my family's land is ours, not yours, not "the people's".

We own the mineral rights and the companies extracting them pay us for the right to do so.

If you want it to be otherwise I would suggest moving somewhere that has a less favorable view on individual property rights. I hear China is lovely this time of year....

lol another hard working conservative.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Why are you so selfish, heartless, and without any compassion? You would destroy this planet for your own temporary gains. How sad that you don't see you are ruining the world for your grand children and their grand children.

Yes. Abolishing private property in favor of collective ownership has worked so well in the past.
 

Macamus Prime

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It's the peoples, because the rich promised to create jobs, in order to avoid higher taxes.

30 years later; salaries are the same for the middle class/poor. And, the rich have quadrupled their wealth. They aren't spreading the wealth, like they claimed they would. They are shipping jobs overseas and making more and more profit.

Also, in order to "enjoy" your wealth, there has to be a shit load of people out there who can build your golden toilets and cars made out of diamonds; do you think they are going to do that for free?
 

boomerang

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Jun 19, 2000
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Surely I can't be the only one to figure out that DCal430 is a returning banned member. The tone of his posts have been very slowly ratcheting up. Every one is a troll post but he's got them toned down for right now.

I don't think he's going to last long and his exit won't amount to much more than a fart in the wind. For a troll, his entertainment value is nil. Too transparent.
 

alphatarget1

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It's the peoples, because the rich promised to create jobs, in order to avoid higher taxes.

30 years later; salaries are the same for the middle class/poor. And, the rich have quadrupled their wealth. They aren't spreading the wealth, like they claimed they would. They are shipping jobs overseas and making more and more profit.

Also, in order to "enjoy" your wealth, there has to be a shit load of people out there who can build your golden toilets and cars made out of diamonds; do you think they are going to do that for free?

Is the middle class/poor *really* suffering? I would say if you suffer you made some really bad decisions. Everyone I see on the street has a smart phone (at least $50 bucks a month), probably have cable TV and internet at home ($60-70 a month) at home, buy a bunch of DVDs at full price, go out to dine regularly, etc etc. If you were suffering financially America, a lot of would be your own damn fault.
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
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It's the peoples, because the rich promised to create jobs, in order to avoid higher taxes.

30 years later; salaries are the same for the middle class/poor. And, the rich have quadrupled their wealth. They aren't spreading the wealth, like they claimed they would. They are shipping jobs overseas and making more and more profit.

Also, in order to "enjoy" your wealth, there has to be a shit load of people out there who can build your golden toilets and cars made out of diamonds; do you think they are going to do that for free?
So in 1981 "the rich" promised to create jobs? I missed that but I'm sure you can tell me more details.
 

ElFenix

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Mar 20, 2000
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The oil, natural gas and coal under my family's land is ours, not yours, not "the people's".

We own the mineral rights and the companies extracting them pay us for the right to do so.

If you want it to be otherwise I would suggest moving somewhere that has a less favorable view on individual property rights. I hear China is lovely this time of year....

or alaska
 

Macamus Prime

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Feb 24, 2011
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Is the middle class/poor *really* suffering? I would say if you suffer you made some really bad decisions. Everyone I see on the street has a smart phone (at least $50 bucks a month), probably have cable TV and internet at home ($60-70 a month) at home, buy a bunch of DVDs at full price, go out to dine regularly, etc etc. If you were suffering financially America, a lot of would be your own damn fault.

,..... that's really great. Really, it is.

But, I am talking about the biggest tax dodge in the history of man kind. For 30 years, the rich have NOT done what they claimed they would do.
 

OCGuy

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Why are you so selfish, heartless, and without any compassion? You would destroy this planet for your own temporary gains. How sad that you don't see you are ruining the world for your grand children and their grand children.

Now I can't tell if you are trolling or not.
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
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Trickle-down economics and Reganomics.
Oh, I see.

Well bud, I don't know about you, but I've done great. I retired at 54 after working since I was 12. Now those first years were paper routes and the like but as soon as I could hold a real job - I did. I moved to jobs with better opportunities and higher pay until I reached as high as I could, which on the grand scheme of things wasn't very high.

I haven't inherited a nickel.

As I moved through life, I spent frugally and saved (and invested) all that I could. I've got a comfortable retirement going and now after a few years of retirement I'm getting a little bored and should have a business up and running this summer.

I thought about laying around and pissing and moaning about what everybody else had, but I decided that wasn't going to get me anywhere. So I rolled up my sleeves and grabbed for everything I could. I was rewarded by the virtue of my attitude and work ethic.

Either make it happen or whine, piss and moan. I think I know which course you've taken.
 

highland145

Lifer
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Oh, I see.

Well bud, I don't know about you, but I've done great. I retired at 54 after working since I was 12. Now those first years were paper routes and the like but as soon as I could hold a real job - I did. I moved to jobs with better opportunities and higher pay until I reached as high as I could, which on the grand scheme of things wasn't very high.

I haven't inherited a nickel.

As I moved through life, I spent frugally and saved (and invested) all that I could. I've got a comfortable retirement going and now after a few years of retirement I'm getting a little bored and should have a business up and running this summer.

I thought about laying around and pissing and moaning about what everybody else had, but I decided that wasn't going to get me anywhere. So I rolled up my sleeves and grabbed for everything I could. I was rewarded by the virtue of my attitude and work ethic.

Either make it happen or whine, piss and moan. I think I know which course you've taken.
Preach


It


Brother!

:thumbsup:
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Not everyone agrees that 'vast fortunes' affecting the welfare of society are 'off limits' to the society exercising some control for its own benefit for the people.

The criticism of rules that create perverse incentives for the use of large amounts of wealth that harms society is appropriate for a society - a word some seem not to know.

Your argument is that large amounts of wealth harm society, and you intend to solve this.

The linchpin is that you target only a small number of easy prey. You ignore the heart of the problem, that the basis for your 'right' is antithetical to the very soul of the United States. It is a slippery slope where you've granted yourself the right to do harm unto others, in the name of government.

You draw a line, yes? A certain amount of wealth. Today it's 200k? Tomorrow 150k. Ideas paid for by others come cheap, and numerous. There is not enough wealth in the nation to do as desired, and so your needs, your 'rights' demand broadening your scope. Of abusing the rights of more than a few. You laid the foundation for this abuse of power, so then why not abuse it?

You will.

The entire purpose of this country, from Declaration to Constitution was to prevent this. To abstain government's hand in abusive power. Your entire purpose is to stain government's hand with the wealth of others. At a local level maybe, but to bind 310 million people to this tyrannical scheme of wealth redistribution, we can not let this stand.

You must be opposed, and so you shall. If you ever wish to see the merits of your ideals, do so without us. Do this at a more local level than the Federal Government. To include us in your scheme is to ensure reprisal. It will be stalled, watered down, stagnanted. Forced into failure. You'll achieve less than you desire and for a greater price. You will have battle added to the costs. Think Health Care.

Think again before you intend to engage a free people in the merits of removing their liberties.

This is a message to all Liberals and Progressives.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Oh, I see.

Well bud, I don't know about you, but I've done great. I retired at 54 after working since I was 12. Now those first years were paper routes and the like but as soon as I could hold a real job - I did. I moved to jobs with better opportunities and higher pay until I reached as high as I could, which on the grand scheme of things wasn't very high.

I haven't inherited a nickel.

As I moved through life, I spent frugally and saved (and invested) all that I could. I've got a comfortable retirement going and now after a few years of retirement I'm getting a little bored and should have a business up and running this summer.

I thought about laying around and pissing and moaning about what everybody else had, but I decided that wasn't going to get me anywhere. So I rolled up my sleeves and grabbed for everything I could. I was rewarded by the virtue of my attitude and work ethic.

Either make it happen or whine, piss and moan. I think I know which course you've taken.
Damn well said.

Michael Moore on the other hand is every caricature of the ugly American - fat, loud and obnoxious - and like every almost progressive assumes that what he has is legitimate (and only a fraction of what he should have) whereas what others have is undeserved. Seeing himself as the pinnacle of the human experience, he is unable to find more worth in any other man, and only equal worth in those exactly like him.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Some seem intent to follow their Ideology until the US is turned into a Banana Republic with the Wealthy holed up behind high walls and real Communist Revolutionaries roaming the country side. Probably not a good idea, cause real Banana Republics always had the Wealth of the US to back them up, who will provide backup for the USA Banana Republic?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Some seem intent to follow their Ideology until the US is turned into a Banana Republic with the Wealthy holed up behind high walls and real Communist Revolutionaries roaming the country side. Probably not a good idea, cause real Banana Republics always had the Wealth of the US to back them up, who will provide backup for the USA Banana Republic?

Who will bailout your 'too big to fail' country, after you bankrupt it?

We do not forget the bailouts of the rich on Wall Street, that Democrats and Moderates forced on us.
 

thraashman

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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Actually Michael Moore made a good point that conservatives don't seem to understand. The super rich get tax cut after tax cut from the Republicans under the premise that those super rich will use that money to create new jobs. However, they aren't creating new jobs. They're getting taxed at increasingly lower and lower rates and aren't in any way reinvesting that into society. So his point is that perhaps we should return to taxing them at a regular rate and make them contribute to society as the rest of the 90& of Americans do. Currently 10% of the American population controls 75% of the wealth. That's insane!
 
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jhu

Lifer
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Who will bailout your 'too big to fail' country, after you bankrupt it?

We do not forget the bailouts of the rich on Wall Street, that Democrats and Moderates forced on us.

Lolwut???

BTW here is the roll call vote on TARP. Count up the number of R and D on the yea and nay side. Are you saying that all the Rs that voted yea are moderate and all the Ds that voted nea were somehow also for TARP? Don't forget that it was also an R president who signed the bill.
 
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