Michael Jackson = Toast

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digitalsm

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Nik
What the fvck does race have to do with ANYTHING?

Google "jury nullification."

Yeah except:

Jackson lives in a predominately white area.

The prosecution only used one of its strikes to get rid of a black person.

There is an extremely high precentage(65-85% depending on state) of blacks that do not respond to jury summons.

However its not going to matter much, the jury pool seemed QUITE sympathetic towards Jackson. Hes not going to get convicted, atleast of any of the more serious crimes. The jury could cop out and convict him of the least serious crime, and give him probation.




 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Encryptic
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: Nik
What the fvck does race have to do with ANYTHING?
I hope you're not serious.
I am. I do not see any situation where race matters at all. Ever. I understand that the court system requires a "jury of peers" but what defines "peers"? MUST it be race? Why is race important?
If you stopped talking out of your ass for a minute and thought about this, you might figure it out.

Jesus....you prove your ignorance more and more with every fscking post you make, it's a wonder the mods haven't changed your title to "Village Idiot" by now.
Oh STFU you pompous asshole. If actually trying to be colorblind is always going to be looked down upon as naive, then we will never rid racism from our society.

As I already posted, an all-white jury is probably in Jackson's favor. IME, the Black American culture takes a VERY hard view on child molesters, and an all black jury would have no fear of being accused of racism after the verdict.
 

Encryptic

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Encryptic
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: Nik
What the fvck does race have to do with ANYTHING?
I hope you're not serious.
I am. I do not see any situation where race matters at all. Ever. I understand that the court system requires a "jury of peers" but what defines "peers"? MUST it be race? Why is race important?
If you stopped talking out of your ass for a minute and thought about this, you might figure it out.

Jesus....you prove your ignorance more and more with every fscking post you make, it's a wonder the mods haven't changed your title to "Village Idiot" by now.
Oh STFU you pompous asshole. If actually trying to be colorblind is always going to be looked down upon as naive, then we will never rid racism from our society.

As I already posted, an all-white jury is probably in Jackson's favor. IME, the Black American culture takes a VERY hard view on child molesters, and an all black jury would have no fear of being accused of racism after the verdict.

:roll:

I'm a pompous asshole? Nik has proven himself to be a fscking moron numerous times and I'm the one getting flamed for stating an obvious fact? If he thinks race has nothing to do with ANYTHING, he's sadly ignorant. I'm all for eliminating racism myself, but burying my head in the sand is not going to make it go away or hide the fact that it's still a problem in our society.

For what it's worth, I agree with what you said about the jury previously. Having a black jury involved would throw the race card out the window altogether and likely speed up the trial process, whereas the white jury will have to deal with that issue in addition to the crime he's being tried for.
 

Ranger X

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The article just says that there aren't any blacks on the jury. Can't this mean the jury could consist of other nationalities other than just Caucasians?
 

hdeck

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not all white cool guy. there are 3 hispanics.

SANTA MARIA, Calif. (Reuters) - A jury of four men and eight women was chosen on Wednesday in the Michael Jackson child molestation case, including one woman whose sister was raped and another whose grandson is a registered sex offender.

At least three of the jurors are Hispanics but no blacks were selected. All potential jurors were asked if race would be a consideration in their deliberations and all said no.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Encryptic
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Encryptic
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: Nik
What the fvck does race have to do with ANYTHING?
I hope you're not serious.
I am. I do not see any situation where race matters at all. Ever. I understand that the court system requires a "jury of peers" but what defines "peers"? MUST it be race? Why is race important?
If you stopped talking out of your ass for a minute and thought about this, you might figure it out.

Jesus....you prove your ignorance more and more with every fscking post you make, it's a wonder the mods haven't changed your title to "Village Idiot" by now.
Oh STFU you pompous asshole. If actually trying to be colorblind is always going to be looked down upon as naive, then we will never rid racism from our society.

As I already posted, an all-white jury is probably in Jackson's favor. IME, the Black American culture takes a VERY hard view on child molesters, and an all black jury would have no fear of being accused of racism after the verdict.

:roll:

I'm a pompous asshole? Nik has proven himself to be a fscking moron numerous times and I'm the one getting flamed for stating an obvious fact? If he thinks race has nothing to do with ANYTHING, he's sadly ignorant. I'm all for eliminating racism myself, but burying my head in the sand is not going to make it go away or hide the fact that it's still a problem in our society.

For what it's worth, I agree with what you said about the jury previously. Having a black jury involved would throw the race card out the window altogether and likely speed up the trial process, whereas the white jury will have to deal with that issue in addition to the crime he's being tried for.

Burying my head in the sand is not what I'm doing. I'm simply refusing to do something stupid like "OH WOW, LOOK! RACE! AGAIN!! IT MATTERS! LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF BLACK PEOPLE! IT MATTERS!!"

Heh... Neither you nor anyone else has answered my question yet... WHY does race matter?
 

thegimp03

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I dunno...seems like celebs get off more often than not, even when there is overwhelming evidence against them, case in point: OJ. As much as I'd like to see Jackson put into prison and become some 500 lber named Bubba's biatch, I just don't see it happening.
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: digitalsm
There are 7 whites, 4 hispanics and an asian.

Each side only gets three pre-emptory juror strikes. The prosecution only used one to get rid of a black person. The other blacks either got let go or tossed by the judge, or ended up on the alternate jury pool.

Shows Viper GTS lives in a very black and white world :p

SPIDER?!
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Mostly white women, eh? At least he got a jury of his peers!

Funny sh1t!!! :D

MJ did it, IMO...we all know he's a boy-raping fagg0 limp-wrist fudge packing huey humper.

However, he's rich, he's being tried in the most LIBERAL state in the union, etc.

Something will "happen." Accuser will suddenly develop incurable amnesia...and suddenly have enough money to move to Paris. Or the jury will suddenly have a fist fight w/eachother in the cafeteria...and all suddenly have enough money to move to Paris.

He'll walk. On the odd chance he goes to prision, it'll be to a place like Martha is in. Michael will knit, make pottery and write fan letters to his under-10 years old male fans...just to keep in touch until he gets out.
 

redly

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interesting thought...

what would a jury of micheal jacksons "peers" look like?
 
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Encryptic
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Encryptic
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: Nik
What the fvck does race have to do with ANYTHING?
I hope you're not serious.
I am. I do not see any situation where race matters at all. Ever. I understand that the court system requires a "jury of peers" but what defines "peers"? MUST it be race? Why is race important?
If you stopped talking out of your ass for a minute and thought about this, you might figure it out.

Jesus....you prove your ignorance more and more with every fscking post you make, it's a wonder the mods haven't changed your title to "Village Idiot" by now.
Oh STFU you pompous asshole. If actually trying to be colorblind is always going to be looked down upon as naive, then we will never rid racism from our society.

As I already posted, an all-white jury is probably in Jackson's favor. IME, the Black American culture takes a VERY hard view on child molesters, and an all black jury would have no fear of being accused of racism after the verdict.

:roll:

I'm a pompous asshole? Nik has proven himself to be a fscking moron numerous times and I'm the one getting flamed for stating an obvious fact? If he thinks race has nothing to do with ANYTHING, he's sadly ignorant. I'm all for eliminating racism myself, but burying my head in the sand is not going to make it go away or hide the fact that it's still a problem in our society.

For what it's worth, I agree with what you said about the jury previously. Having a black jury involved would throw the race card out the window altogether and likely speed up the trial process, whereas the white jury will have to deal with that issue in addition to the crime he's being tried for.

Burying my head in the sand is not what I'm doing. I'm simply refusing to do something stupid like "OH WOW, LOOK! RACE! AGAIN!! IT MATTERS! LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF BLACK PEOPLE! IT MATTERS!!"

Heh... Neither you nor anyone else has answered my question yet... WHY does race matter?

Google "jury nullification."
 

Babbles

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I doubt race would have much to do with this particular trial. I would wager he is going to be found non-guilty because the prosecution case seems to be pretty iffy. Apparantly the kid in question accused his parents of sexual abuse then after some investigation he reneged on the accusation. Also the parents were documented on saying how great Michael Jackson was with their kid - in a non sexual manner. When the child has a documented history of falsely accusing people of sexual abuse and it is documented that the parents supported Michael Jackson; I think the prosecution is going to have a tough case.

I have my personal doubts on Michael Jackson's innocence, however it just seems to me that the prosecuation has half-assed case against Michael Jackson.
 

djheater

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Don VIto has it, racism is a culturally reinforced truth. The courts have to deal with it, end of story. Race matters in this trial, and it matters in our society as a whole.

Of course, we should each, "Be the change we wish to see int he world".
 

MichaelD

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Jan 16, 2001
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Originally posted by: djheater
Don VIto has it, racism is a culturally reinforced truth. The courts have to deal with it, end of story. Race matters in this trial, and it matters in our society as a whole.

Of course, we should each, "Be the change we wish to see int he world".

As has been stated, both the accused and the accuser are black. Race is a non-issue here.
 
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Originally posted by: MichaelD

As has been stated, both the accused and the accuser are black. Race is a non-issue here.

The accuser isn't black, he's Latino (Nicaraguan IIRC). Even in cases alleging black-on-black crime, jury nullification among primarily black juries is a real, provable phenomenon. Black juries are generally likelier to acquit any offender, regardless of race, than juries primarily consisting of other ethnicities (hence the fact that the acquittal rate is several times higher in the Bronx than in the nation as a whole, and also much higher in Detroit and other cities with disproportionally black populations.

I'm not endorsing any of the above, but facts are facts.
 

Viper GTS

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Oct 13, 1999
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Guess I misread the article, edited my title appropriately.

The article I read did not give the breakdown that was posted here, & I think it may have actually said it was all white... Could be wrong.

Spider boy, you can STFU.

Viper GTS