Michael Cohen will testify to House Oversight Feb 7 about his work for Trump

[jackstar7]

Are you trolling me or do you have 6 year old comprehension? If I posted my definition of collusion, which copy/pasted from Google, would you not conclude activities that for that definition would qualify as collusion? This isn't 400 level calculus man.

Neat. What would that proof look like?

 

[DarthKyrie]

Yes it's worthwhile to see someone like you get fucked by Republican policy. I'd like nothing more than to see America fucking drown in your preferred policies until my dying breath.

You and I both dank, I have lost all faith in the electorate of this country, we need a good decade or 2 or horrible policy by the Republicans to teach this country a lesson in CIVICS.

Is this the tactic conservatives will use to absolve themselves from Trump as he becomes more and more toxic?

I'm starting to see this in many places.

It will be just like GWB all over again. The elected Republicans will swear that they lost their way just like under GWB and that if we give them another chance things will be different. If people continue to vote for them they will get another dose of supply-side that will put us in even worse of a hole.

You didn't answer my question.

What would collusion look like for you to accept it as such?

For most Reichwingers, there is no possible way that their guys would collude with a foreign power. Now if you were to accuse the D's of collusion they would believe it regardless of the proof.

He'll be no worse off than Trump when Donnie spends the remainder of his life in one of NY's highest security prisons.

I would love to see Trump end up in Gen-Pop at Riker's, put that shit on PPV.

 

[blackangst1]

Cohen's testimony won't convict him on crimes related to Russia. That is clear.

What about the other crimes Cohen has offered evidence of, especially campaign finance violation?

What about this testimony says anything regarding the likelihood Mueller will have findings against Trump either in any conspiracy with them to influence the election or obstruction of those investigations?

While Cohen can't damn Trump relating to Russia, it is no excuse to diminish the value of the damming information he has on other crimes or the potential of information yet to come from a very active special counsel probe.

I have stated earlier we'll see what the New York AG does when he's out of office, and I've also said if he's convicted, our Justice system works. I'm the meantime, I refuse too participate in this circle jerk of wrap up smears that's going on

Simple enough?

 

[blackangst1]

Neat. What would that proof look like?

One that fits the general definition of collusion I posted. Is that not clear?

Hell... Cohen said himself in his testimony he has over 500 recordings of phone calls. That would be a good start.

 

[ivwshane]

There it is folks! He'll care when the president is out of office.


What a pathetic piece of shit!

 

[fskimospy]

So where's the proof? Certainly the personal layer of Trump for 10 years, who had already broken confidentiality, would have some of it existed, no?

That would be one hell of a huge assumption.

In fact all the evidence points to the opposite as he apparently didn’t know much of anything about the collusion with Russia that Don Jr. inarguably engaged in on behalf of the campaign.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Blackangst found a reason to believe-

Tim Hardin. Cool.

 

[blackangst1]

That would be one hell of a huge assumption.

In fact all the evidence points to the opposite as he apparently didn’t know much of anything about the collusion with Russia that Don Jr. inarguably engaged in on behalf of the campaign.

Well we'll see. One thing we DO know is Cohen has proven himself a liar. Wouldn't surprise me to see purgery charges after this hearing settles down.

 

[blackangst1]

Tim Hardin. Cool.

What am I believing in again?

 

[jackstar7]

One that fits the general definition of collusion I posted. Is that not clear?

Hell... Cohen said himself in his testimony he has over 500 recordings of phone calls. That would be a good start.

Yeah, it's not clear.

So a phone call between whom? Who would Trump need to be talking to? Or is it enough if there are communications that connect between the various players involved, so like Putin -> Assange -> Stone -> Trump? Would that count?

You're evasive on this issue, and I'd like to pin down what it is you need that would constitute proof.

 

[blackangst1]

There it is folks! He'll care when the president is out of office.


What a pathetic piece of shit!

Unless the Dems I.e. Pelosi decide they have enough to impeach him on, that's all any of us can do. But so far that's not looking likely.

 

[ivwshane]

Well we'll see. One thing we DO know is Cohen has proven himself a liar. Wouldn't surprise me to see purgery charges after this hearing settles down.

Everyone associated with trump has been proven to be a liar. I'm sure you'll wait with bated breath for that perjury charge though, you'll all about justice for anyone but the president of the US.

 

[blackangst1]

Yeah, it's not clear.

So a phone call between whom? Who would Trump need to be talking to? Or is it enough if there are communications that connect between the various players involved, so like Putin -> Assange -> Stone -> Trump? Would that count?

You're evasive on this issue, and I'd like to pin down what it is you need that would constitute proof.

I've already commented on Trump's interaction with Assange. Trump asking him for evidence they collected from the Russians is NOT collusion.

 

[blackangst1]

Everyone associated with trump has been proven to be a liar. I'm sure you'll wait with bated breath for that perjury charge though, you'll all about justice for anyone but the president of the US.

I know you don't like me but obviously you've not paid attention to what I've said about that. That's your fault, not mine.

 

[fskimospy]

Well we'll see. One thing we DO know is Cohen has proven himself a liar.

Well sure, but I mean literally everyone around Trump is a pathological liar. Just like any case against a mob boss you have to rely on witnesses who are unsavory people because...well... they are all unsavory people.

I think we both know that Trump has almost certainly engaged in large amounts of criminal activity and that criminal activity is ongoing, or at least it was as of 2017. It’s all coming out now and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Wouldn't surprise me to see purgery charges after this hearing settles down.

I sincerely doubt that. Cohen had exactly zero incentive to lie in that hearing and a large incentive not to.

 

[fskimospy]

I've already commented on Trump's interaction with Assange. Trump asking him for evidence they collected from the Russians is NOT collusion.

Yeah but setting up a meeting in Trump Tower to get dirt on Clinton from the Russian government sure is. Since we already know that happened it is simply no longer a question that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia.

And if you believe their lies that Trump didn’t know about that meeting...come on.

 

[Jhhnn]

Are you trolling me or do you have 6 year old comprehension? If I posted my definition of collusion, which copy/pasted from Google, would you not conclude activities that for that definition would qualify as collusion? This isn't 400 level calculus man.

Dancin' fool, huh? The question was

"What would you need to see to believe that collusion occurred between Trump & the Russians?"

I figure you've already seen it but try to deny your own lying eyes... Helsinki was enough for me.

This whole "Can't prove it in court!" routine is tedious. Impeachment need not operate under the strict burden of proof required in a courtroom that our legal tradition demands. We can hold our elected officials to higher standards.

 

[blackangst1]

Yeah but setting up a meeting in Trump Tower to get dirt on Clinton from the Russian government sure is. Since we already know that happened it is simply no longer a question that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia.

And if you believe their lies that Trump didn’t know about that meeting...come on.

Last I checked getting info on a political opponent isnt collusion.

 

[Jhhnn]

Last I checked getting info on a political opponent isnt collusion.

It may be a crime, however, depending on the giver.

 

[blackangst1]

Dancin' fool, huh? The question was

"What would you need to see to believe that collusion occurred between Trump & the Russians?"

I figure you've already seen it but try to deny your own lying eyes... Helsinki was enough for me.

This whole "Can't prove it in court!" routine is tedious. Impeachment need not operate under the strict burden of proof required in a courtroom that our legal tradition demands. We can hold our elected officials to higher standards.

Jesus you guys are dense.

Evidence that he met with the Russians in order to deceive or defraud others of their legal rights. Or obtaining information illegally .

Theres no evidence of either of those.

 

[blackangst1]

It may be a crime, however, depending on the giver.

Source?

 

[blackangst1]

Well sure, but I mean literally everyone around Trump is a pathological liar. Just like any case against a mob boss you have to rely on witnesses who are unsavory people because...well... they are all unsavory people.

I think we both know that Trump has almost certainly engaged in large amounts of criminal activity and that criminal activity is ongoing, or at least it was as of 2017. It’s all coming out now and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

So you think a conviction of guilt by association is a good thing? YIKES.

Ive said it before, Ill say it again. If theres evidence of him breaking the law (some of which I believe we already have, but, again, we'll see how it fleshes out in NY after he's out), convict and try him.

If you think there is so much evidence already, I suggest you contact your congressman/congresswomen and encourage impeachment. Anything else is blindly flailing. Which I refuse to do. I dont agree with conviction by media. At all.

I guess we all need someone to hate though eh?

 

[DarthKyrie]

Yeah but setting up a meeting in Trump Tower to get dirt on Clinton from the Russian government sure is. Since we already know that happened it is simply no longer a question that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia.

And if you believe their lies that Trump didn’t know about that meeting...come on.

Nothing happens inside the Trump org or Trump Tower that the Donald doesn't know about. Hell, I'm sure he knows when people who live there use the shitter.

 

[fskimospy]

So you think a conviction of guilt by association is a good thing? YIKES.

Guilt by association? Huh? I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

Ive said it before, Ill say it again. If theres evidence of him breaking the law (some of which I believe we already have, but, again, we'll see how it fleshes out in NY after he's out), convict and try him.

If you think there is so much evidence already, I suggest you contact your congressman/congresswomen and encourage impeachment. Anything else is blindly flailing. Which I refuse to do. I dont agree with conviction by media. At all.

I guess we all need someone to hate though eh?

Federal prosecutors in SDNY clearly already believe that they have sufficient evidence of this as they have said as much in court filings.

Republicans won’t convict him in the senate because they have put tribal identity before their oaths of office and the good of the country.

I don’t give a shit about hating him, I just don’t want a felon for a president.

 

[Jhhnn]

Source?

From the FEC under foreign nationals-

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...-taking-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/

A campaign contribution is anything of value, dirt on one's opponent being precisely that.