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Wuffsunie

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The fact that he's backing remakes of A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010), The Birds (2009), and Friday the 13th (2009) make me want to give him a few swift kicks to the head.

Didn't know he did a playboy video.
 

clamum

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: mugs
Pearl Harbor could have done without the love story... but then you might as well watch Tora! Tora! Tora!

Bad Boys was good for what it was IIRC... Bad Boys II not so much.

Never saw The Island

The Rock was awesome

Transformers was awesome

You can't go into a Michael Bay movie expecting an artsy drama.

never saw the island?
well i guess thats why you are so forgiving!

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The Island was awesome. Now, not awesome in a The Rock or Transformers way... it was a different style of movie, at least it felt so to me. But I liked it, was a fun watch.

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Heck yeah, I love The Island. Probably more than The Rock which I like a lot too. I don't really understand the Micheal Bay hate to be honest.
 

Shadow Conception

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: m0mentary
The Rock. with 62%

I agree thats the best of his films, but jeez, I didn't think all his movies were THAT bad.

Justified or no?


Justified. Michael Bay is eye-candy-heavy, shallow, whiz bang movies with little to no substance.

Americans are easily distracted by shiny objects and CGI and thus mistake "wow that looks cool" for "this is a good movie".

As exemplified by I am Legend. Literally every friend I have recommended it to me, and I found it to be absolute shit. Same with 28 Days Later, what a waste of time that was. :/
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: m0mentary
The Rock. with 62%

I agree thats the best of his films, but jeez, I didn't think all his movies were THAT bad.

Justified or no?


Justified. Michael Bay is eye-candy-heavy, shallow, whiz bang movies with little to no substance.

Americans are easily distracted by shiny objects and CGI and thus mistake "wow that looks cool" for "this is a good movie".

As exemplified by I am Legend. Literally every friend I have recommended it to me, and I found it to be absolute shit. Same with 28 Days Later, what a waste of time that was. :/

haha 28 Days Later was British. :p

I actually was in the opposite situation with I Am Legend. All of my friends disliked it, and said I shouldn't bother with it... yet I liked it. hmm

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0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: clamum
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: mugs
Pearl Harbor could have done without the love story... but then you might as well watch Tora! Tora! Tora!

Bad Boys was good for what it was IIRC... Bad Boys II not so much.

Never saw The Island

The Rock was awesome

Transformers was awesome

You can't go into a Michael Bay movie expecting an artsy drama.

never saw the island?
well i guess thats why you are so forgiving!

?!

The Island was awesome. Now, not awesome in a The Rock or Transformers way... it was a different style of movie, at least it felt so to me. But I liked it, was a fun watch.

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Heck yeah, I love The Island. Probably more than The Rock which I like a lot too. I don't really understand the Micheal Bay hate to be honest.

wat? i thought it was predictable and unoriginal. worst of all it was dull.
 

ja1484

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Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: m0mentary
The Rock. with 62%

I agree thats the best of his films, but jeez, I didn't think all his movies were THAT bad.

Justified or no?


Justified. Michael Bay is eye-candy-heavy, shallow, whiz bang movies with little to no substance.

Americans are easily distracted by shiny objects and CGI and thus mistake "wow that looks cool" for "this is a good movie".

As exemplified by I am Legend. Literally every friend I have recommended it to me, and I found it to be absolute shit. Same with 28 Days Later, what a waste of time that was. :/


I Am Legend had a good first hour and then completely lost track of what they were trying to do. The second half of the movie was a mess with no resolution. And Jesus Christ, could the product placement in Will Smith movies be more obvious please? I, Robot and I Am Legend were basically 2 hour commercials.

28 Days Later actually surprised me because there was some excellent set design, cinematography, and character acting in a... cookie cutter zombie movie.

I guess if you take half from each movie and squish them together, you get a whole good flick.
 

ja1484

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Originally posted by: LtPage1
Bad Boys and Transformers were lots of fun.

Transformers was grade A bombast and nostalgia. When I found out Bay was directing it, I was actually happy, because for the first time he was the right person for the job.

As for Bad Boys, they were entertaining if you're this guy.
 

sjwaste

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America, for the most part, does not love critically-acclaimed films. We like entertainment. Some studios and directors are starting to say it publicly, too, screw the critics, we can sell tickets making people laugh/sit on the edge of their seats.

I realize it might be a bad example among the ATOT "sophisticated" but when Eddie Murphy made Norbit, he basically laughed at the critics, who universally slammed the movie, and ended up making $30+M in the opening weekend.

Same with Michael Bay. The reason he still has work is because people like his movies and continue to see them, whether or not anyone here wants to admit that. Anyone who wants to criticize that is kidding themselves. Congratulations on your taste in films, but it proves you have no idea what makes money. Last I checked, that's what matters. Want art? Fine, but most people don't care.
 

Deeko

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Critics don't like mindless action movies. I (and many people in the general population) do. Therefore, I'm not entirely concerned about the RT rating of a Michael Bay movie.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: LtPage1
Bad Boys and Transformers were lots of fun.

Transformers was grade A bombast and nostalgia. When I found out Bay was directing it, I was actually happy, because for the first time he was the right person for the job.

As for Bad Boys, they were entertaining if you're this guy.

Exactly. Everyone heard Bay was directing it, and flipped. I got excited as all hell. Here I am thinking, what better director for an action romp with giant robots going to war with each other, and occasionally the humans? The involvement of the military I thought was a perfect addition, because honestly, not thinking of shape-shifting robots, the movie actually felt plausible the whole way through imho. Some people thought the computer hacker part didn't fit, I thought it did perfectly. If they brought in the whole idea of trying to find megatron, then the hacking part actually felt well done.

I'm hoping Transformers 2 won't be just another dumb sequel though. Maybe with the success of the first, in which they were testing the waters... they'll be able to do more true transformers stuff. Here's to hoping Soundwave is brought in properly, with his size-changing ability. They have a lot of characters and a deep story they can actually tap into, so here's to hoping they get a good script written. If the script is good, Bay should be right at home with the movie, because once again it's just gonna be action chaos through so much of the movie. So glad they teamed with ILM for the special effects too, made it all the better. If the special effects would have been cheesy, it wouldn't have sold itself so well.

oh, and as for the 'that guy' reference... I'm the opposite of that guy and STILL love both Bad Boys movies, just because I think I love the interactions between Smith and Lawrence.

Originally posted by: Deeko
Critics don't like mindless action movies. I (and many people in the general population) do. Therefore, I'm not entirely concerned about the RT rating of a Michael Bay movie.

precisely. Actually, I'll look to RottenTomatoes on his types of movies to see what the general style of the movie is, and I'll read maybe one negative to three positive reviews, and combine them and make a judgment as to whether it sounds like something I'd like. I only really take RT seriously when the movie IS one of those serious action/drama movies, or the epic ones, where they could actually contend for an award based on the premise.

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ja1484

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Originally posted by: sjwaste
America, for the most part, does not love critically-acclaimed films. We like entertainment. Some studios and directors are starting to say it publicly, too, screw the critics, we can sell tickets making people laugh/sit on the edge of their seats.

I realize it might be a bad example among the ATOT "sophisticated" but when Eddie Murphy made Norbit, he basically laughed at the critics, who universally slammed the movie, and ended up making $30+M in the opening weekend.

Same with Michael Bay. The reason he still has work is because people like his movies and continue to see them, whether or not anyone here wants to admit that. Anyone who wants to criticize that is kidding themselves. Congratulations on your taste in films, but it proves you have no idea what makes money. Last I checked, that's what matters. Want art? Fine, but most people don't care.


I'll agree with you there, America does not want to be intellectually engaged in the movie theater, that is for sure.
 

Fenixgoon

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transformers was awesome i thought. note how on RT it gets like a 50 or 60%, but the user rating is significantly higher (80%)
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: sjwaste
America, for the most part, does not love critically-acclaimed films. We like entertainment. Some studios and directors are starting to say it publicly, too, screw the critics, we can sell tickets making people laugh/sit on the edge of their seats.

I realize it might be a bad example among the ATOT "sophisticated" but when Eddie Murphy made Norbit, he basically laughed at the critics, who universally slammed the movie, and ended up making $30+M in the opening weekend.

Same with Michael Bay. The reason he still has work is because people like his movies and continue to see them, whether or not anyone here wants to admit that. Anyone who wants to criticize that is kidding themselves. Congratulations on your taste in films, but it proves you have no idea what makes money. Last I checked, that's what matters. Want art? Fine, but most people don't care.


I'll agree with you there, America does not want to be intellectually engaged in the movie theater, that is for sure.

In the movie theater I don't... but at home I do. I love thinking movies just as much as I love mindless action or horror movies. I just like movies, except for musicals. Can't stand them. lol
But in a theater, there tends to be a certain style that I want to watch. Generally always action or drama with action. Although, I never get around to seeing most of those critically acclaimed Sundance movies. Don't know why.

Hmm. Now I'm trying to figure out what movie I need to see in the drive in this summer. Quite a few big movies for the summer, but not sure how well they'll translate to drive in. Watching from my truck bed is awesome, but sometimes the darks just don't fare so well from the projection. I think The Dark Knight, as awesome as it would be, won't be one I see at the drive in. Hmm.

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ja1484

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: sjwaste
America, for the most part, does not love critically-acclaimed films. We like entertainment. Some studios and directors are starting to say it publicly, too, screw the critics, we can sell tickets making people laugh/sit on the edge of their seats.

I realize it might be a bad example among the ATOT "sophisticated" but when Eddie Murphy made Norbit, he basically laughed at the critics, who universally slammed the movie, and ended up making $30+M in the opening weekend.

Same with Michael Bay. The reason he still has work is because people like his movies and continue to see them, whether or not anyone here wants to admit that. Anyone who wants to criticize that is kidding themselves. Congratulations on your taste in films, but it proves you have no idea what makes money. Last I checked, that's what matters. Want art? Fine, but most people don't care.


I'll agree with you there, America does not want to be intellectually engaged in the movie theater, that is for sure.

In the movie theater I don't... but at home I do. I love thinking movies just as much as I love mindless action or horror movies. I just like movies, except for musicals. Can't stand them. lol
But in a theater, there tends to be a certain style that I want to watch. Generally always action or drama with action. Although, I never get around to seeing most of those critically acclaimed Sundance movies. Don't know why.

Hmm. Now I'm trying to figure out what movie I need to see in the drive in this summer. Quite a few big movies for the summer, but not sure how well they'll translate to drive in. Watching from my truck bed is awesome, but sometimes the darks just don't fare so well from the projection. I think The Dark Knight, as awesome as it would be, won't be one I see at the drive in. Hmm.

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Well, I think it works better like that anyway. In the theater, the audio bleed from the explosion/fighting giant robot/asteroid impact/etc. drowns out the goddam mexican children who will not shut the hell up and were for some reason brought to the theater.

However, in an "artful" film, if you watch it in the theater, that 14 year old two rows back from you *will* make a farting noise as soon as any scene comes up which he is remotely uncomfortable with (sexual situations, emotional situations, big words, etc.), and you *will* hear it, and all his obnoxious friends laughing at it. Beseeching the staff for help will do you no good, because they all go to high school with him. You will also, briefly, wonder what the hell he and his friends are doing at this movie, because it is not for them.

There are two possible answers:

2) Their parents are tired of dealing with their shit because they are spineless suburban helicopter-parent wimps who don't know how to smack a teenager around effective-like, and thus offered to pay for a movie, any movie, just to get a few hours away from their kid for a peaceful dinner (PF Chang's or Cheesecake Factory).

1) Their staff friend got them free tickets, because he is that nerdy/gothic kid who is into movies, and is stupid enough to think that weird is the same thing as artistic. He has instant movie-rating cred with his teen buddies because he was the first person in their group to find out about Donnie Darko and can quote every Tyler Durden line from Fight Club.

 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
He needed to get better writers for Transformers. The dialogue was just excruciatingly cheesy.

I am taking a wild ass guess you never saw the original cartoons. It's that or you have a really bad memory.
 

FreshPrince

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Originally posted by: Dirigible
IMDB lists his director credits thusly:

1 Transformers (2007)
... aka Transformers: The IMAX Experience (USA: IMAX version)
2 The Island (2005)
3 The Lionel Richie Collection (2003) (V) (video "Do It to Me")
4 Bad Boys II (2003)
... aka Good Cops: Bad Boys II (Malaysia: English title)
5 Pearl Harbor (2001)
... aka Pearl Harbour (UK: promotional title)
6 Armageddon (1998/I)
7 The Rock (1996)
8 Bad Boys (1995)
9 Meat Loaf: Bat Out of Hell II - Picture Show (1994) (V) (music videos)
10 Shadows and Light: From a Different View (1992) (V)
11 Great White: My... My... My... the Video Collection (1991) (V) (video "Call It Rock N' Roll")
12 Playboy Video Centerfold: Kerri Kendall (1990) (V)

I enjoyed #s 8, 7, and 2. I thought #s 1 and 4 were watchable entertainment. Didn't see #s 3, 5, 6, or 9-12. Looks like #12 may deserve study in the future.

That's a decent track record for entertainment in my book.

I like Transformers, The Island, Pearl Harbor, Armageddon, The Rock, and Bad Boys



 

K1052

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: sjwaste
America, for the most part, does not love critically-acclaimed films. We like entertainment. Some studios and directors are starting to say it publicly, too, screw the critics, we can sell tickets making people laugh/sit on the edge of their seats.

I realize it might be a bad example among the ATOT "sophisticated" but when Eddie Murphy made Norbit, he basically laughed at the critics, who universally slammed the movie, and ended up making $30+M in the opening weekend.

Same with Michael Bay. The reason he still has work is because people like his movies and continue to see them, whether or not anyone here wants to admit that. Anyone who wants to criticize that is kidding themselves. Congratulations on your taste in films, but it proves you have no idea what makes money. Last I checked, that's what matters. Want art? Fine, but most people don't care.


I'll agree with you there, America does not want to be intellectually engaged in the movie theater, that is for sure.

Possibly because it is ENTERTAINMENT?

Before pissing all over the American general public for their taste in films you should look at how well most of them do overseas or glance at the Bollywood fare (not exactly Citizen Cain every time).
 

ja1484

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: sjwaste
America, for the most part, does not love critically-acclaimed films. We like entertainment. Some studios and directors are starting to say it publicly, too, screw the critics, we can sell tickets making people laugh/sit on the edge of their seats.

I realize it might be a bad example among the ATOT "sophisticated" but when Eddie Murphy made Norbit, he basically laughed at the critics, who universally slammed the movie, and ended up making $30+M in the opening weekend.

Same with Michael Bay. The reason he still has work is because people like his movies and continue to see them, whether or not anyone here wants to admit that. Anyone who wants to criticize that is kidding themselves. Congratulations on your taste in films, but it proves you have no idea what makes money. Last I checked, that's what matters. Want art? Fine, but most people don't care.


I'll agree with you there, America does not want to be intellectually engaged in the movie theater, that is for sure.

Possibly because it is ENTERTAINMENT?

Before pissing all over the American general public for their taste in films you should look at how well most of them do overseas or glance at the Bollywood fare (not exactly Citizen Cain every time).


You misunderstand. I'm not pissing all over the American general public for their taste in films. I'm pissing all over them on general principle, because the majority are mostly useless wastes of existence. This was just a convenient opportunity. It's really more the general retardedness that concerns me. Refer to Idiocracy.

And this kind of thing is actually sort of the trend I'm talking about. Since when was intellectual engagement mutually exclusive from entertainment? I still love Tetris.

So, anyway, if you're still mad, wa-waaaaaah.....

 

Skunkwourk

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Originally posted by: conehead433
I didn't vote because I didn't see the choice 'I like his films'.

You would pick "no" then because you don't think he is as bad as the reviewers say he is.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: sjwaste
America, for the most part, does not love critically-acclaimed films. We like entertainment. Some studios and directors are starting to say it publicly, too, screw the critics, we can sell tickets making people laugh/sit on the edge of their seats.

I realize it might be a bad example among the ATOT "sophisticated" but when Eddie Murphy made Norbit, he basically laughed at the critics, who universally slammed the movie, and ended up making $30+M in the opening weekend.

Same with Michael Bay. The reason he still has work is because people like his movies and continue to see them, whether or not anyone here wants to admit that. Anyone who wants to criticize that is kidding themselves. Congratulations on your taste in films, but it proves you have no idea what makes money. Last I checked, that's what matters. Want art? Fine, but most people don't care.


I'll agree with you there, America does not want to be intellectually engaged in the movie theater, that is for sure.

Possibly because it is ENTERTAINMENT?

Before pissing all over the American general public for their taste in films you should look at how well most of them do overseas or glance at the Bollywood fare (not exactly Citizen Cain every time).


You misunderstand. I'm not pissing all over the American general public for their taste in films. I'm pissing all over them on general principle, because the majority are mostly useless wastes of existence. It's really more the general retardedness that concerns me. Refer to Idiocracy.

And this kind of thing is actually sort of the trend I'm talking about. Since when was intellectual engagement mutually exclusive from entertainment? I still love Tetris.

So, anyway, if you're still mad, wa-waaaaaah.....

oh the smug is obvious with this one...

don't think you people who aren't Americans are free of the same problems. It's a humanity thing. We all suck. Most of Europe makes this obviously evident, but yet they still think they are better than Americans. We're simply more diverse, so we have that to blame. I don't want to live in a European country, that's for damn sure. You're only better than the rednecks, and sometimes that's a stretch.
;)

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