Miami-Dade County Ends Hand Recount

[Russ]

ride525,

Come on, you KNOW why he went to Federal Court. Who do you appeal a decision from a State Supreme Court to? Their wives?

Russ, NCNE

 

[cxim]

who do you apologise to when you misrepresent the facts in a legal case that is cited in a Fl supreme court ruling ?

I am sure the democrats just made a simple mistake... a simple 180 degrees wrong.

No bulging chads, no card marks, no dimples were allowed in the Illinois ruling cited. That ruling which upheld the "rights of voters" threw out everything but holes in the card.

I wonder if any of these democrat lawyers live in Palm Beach & had trouble with that confusing ballot. lol

This will be on the wires tomorrow if not tonite.

 

[ToBeMe]

I've got a question of sorts......I've just spent a fairly good deal of time (yes, I'm bored) looking at unofficial vote tallies thus far in the two remaining recount counties in FL. Based on the number of precincts completed/remaining and the number of votes picked up thus far, isn't it almost impossible for enough votes to be picked up to change the outcome? Unless my math is wrong it seems very highly unlikely. Go to CNN and do the numbers for yourself, but I don't think it's possible anymore........maybe I'm wrong, but like I said, I checked and double checked the numbers!

 

[cxim]

It is still open, because the makeup of the remaining ballots is not sequential nor only for the remaining untabulated precincts.

Many of the remaing ballots are contested ballots from all precincts, that were reserved for the Voter board members to review. What have been counted so far are clearcut calls.

So the make up of the ones remaining are unknown & can not be predicted from the released finalised counts.

 

[ride525]

<< Come on, you KNOW why he went to Federal Court. Who do you appeal a decision from a State Supreme Court to? Their wives? >>



Oh, yeah that too....

I was referring to the fact Bush first protested the manual counts to TWO FEDERAL Courts.

Then of course his looks like he doesn't trust the states again....going to Supreme Court over this STATE voting issue.....

Wonder if Bush's lawyers and buddies will bad mouth the US Supreme Court when they turn him down again?

 

[Russ]

Broward county has only the contested votes left to count, which amounts to a total of approximately 2000. Hard to say how many votes they'll be able to manufacture out of that batch.

PBC still has a LONG way to go to complete their count, so there's plenty to manipulate.

Russ, NCNE

 

[ToBeMe]

No, I realize that....I'm saying taking averages from past recounts and effecting those numbers to the remaining possible numbers, even if you average high, it just doesn't seem possible.....I don't know, just wondering if anyone else had &quot;run the numbers&quot;! You can get past recount averages on site also.

 

[ride525]

<< isn't it almost impossible for enough votes to be picked up to change the outcome? Unless my math is wrong it seems very highly unlikely. Go to CNN and do the numbers for yourself, but I don't think it's possible anymore........maybe I'm wrong, but like I said, I checked and double checked the numbers! >>



ToBe,

Your math is fine....there is apparently a BUNCH of questionable ballots that haven't had final decisions on.

 

[Russ]

<< I was referring to the fact Bush first protested the manual counts to TWO FEDERAL Courts. >>



Not surprising in light of the fact that the Florida Judicial deck is stacked with democrats top to bottom.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Russ]

<< I'm saying taking averages from past recounts and effecting those numbers to the remaining possible numbers, even if you average high, it just doesn't seem possible >>



That assumption would be perfectly acceptable in an honest, objective recount.

Russ, NCNE

 

[veryape]

How in the world can Bush even argue that he won fairly with all the votes for Gore that were thrown out on technicallities? All you republicans seem to forget about that. And lest we forget about the popular vote? Gore won. And republicans also want us to bend over backwards to count votes from military ballots that were not postmarked. You can't argue about following rules and then want them bent in your favor,even if it is on our soldiers behalf. Laws are laws and can't be bent unless they are equally bent on non-partisan lines.

 

[cxim]

<< I'm saying taking averages from past recounts and effecting those numbers to the remaining possible numbers, even if you average high, it just doesn't seem possible >>

it probably is true but the sampling is not random so the ability to predict is poor.

There was an unofficial rumor yesterday that, Gorites stats guys had told this to Gore several days ago. That was the reason for the Palm Beach circuit suit to expand the criteria for Bore votes. The suit was initiated by the PB board &amp; was joined by the dems &amp; repubs after repeated pushing by the dems to expand the criteria to dimples.


IF Bush pulls this out it will be due to the fair &amp; even way the circuit judge on the PB board has proceeded. If left up to the other 2 dems on that board, Goreball would have 10,000 extra votes in Palm Beach by now.

 

[cxim]

<< How in the world can Bush even argue that he won fairly with all the votes for Gore that were thrown out on technicallities? >>

You have us on that one ape. The 3 big democrat counties, counted 900 000 votes for Gore &amp; threw out the winning 1000. Sure they did...

&amp; you are right again... Laws are Laws.... &amp; the law is, military ballots do not have to be postmarked.

 

[Michael]

veryape - the &quot;popular&quot; vote total is well within the statistical dead heat range considering the error rate of the counting machines. It also does not include all absentee votes. Many states have not fully counted all the absentee votes. California ha over a million not counted. Bush should do ok on all absentee votes across the country.

In the end, the popular vote is not how the President is elected and neither was even over 50% of all votes cast. The 200K almost can be chalked up to the large &quot;get-out-the-vote&quot; efforts to make Hillary a Senator.

I am also not sure what Gore votes were tossed out on technicalities. Maybe you can enlighten me? There seems to be some Democrat counties in southern Florida where the voting machines did their duty but didn't pick up the votes of voters who didn't follow instructions and punch their cards all the way.

The others were votes for Buccannon which are assumed to be really meant for Gore and a bunch of double votes (not really votes at all). Of course, Republicans probably made the same type of mistakes in other counties, they're just not being sifted through.

Michael

ps - dimples can be used to help determine intent, but a dimpled chad does not equal a vote

 

[veryape]

I see that you are blinded by your commitment to .And if you don't believe Jeb had something to do with his brother ALMOST getting away with stealing the election then I will attribute that to your blind faith. And yes,those 20k votes were thrown out on technicallities. Its quite obvios those people intended to vote for Gore. Of course your ignorance will immediately attribute that to the stupidity of 20k voters but I know different. And also,200k votes is not even close to a dead heat. Try telling that to those 200k people,i'm sure they would disagree.

 

[JellyBaby]

Basically what Michael said. Plus, I believe if you take out NY, Bush handily wins the popular vote. So one state gives Gore that magic 250K. Hardly equatable to the &quot;Will of the People&quot;. But anyway you dice it the PV doesn't matter.

 

[Michael]

veryape - do a simple math problem. Divide 200K by the total number of votes cast. Compare to a reasonable error %. Then tell me that 200K means much.

Please, enlighten me how you know those 20K voters intended on voting for Gore and how you are blessed with the divine knowledge of this fact. You, of course, know the Republican error rate as well (although I read two articles that mentioned that Republicans tend to be much more careful in voting and have many time sless first time voters than do the Democrats, so their error rate must be lower). Please tell me exactly what Jeb Bush did in these strongly Democrat counties run by Democrat election officials.

Michael

I'll add that I didn't vote this election (I couldn't, citizenship papers haven't gone through yet) and I obviously belong to no political party.

 

[Russ]

<< Its quite obvios those people intended to vote for Gore. >>



Obvious to whom? Gore's Goons? Okay, since you seemed to have divined the intent of the voters who screwed up their ballots this year, how about the 15,000 that were thrown out in 1996, in the same county for the same reason. I won't even ask you to explain why Buchanan received even MORE votes then.

While you're at it, can you fill us in on the wishes of the 120,000 voters whose ballots were tossed in Cook County, Illinois?

We are waiting in fervent anticipation for you to reveal these mysteries.

Russ, NCNE

 

[PCAddict]

It made my day when I saw on TV that Miami-Dade sh!tcanned their manual recount. Although, I am afraid that just means more of Gore's attempts to manipulate the law to suit his own purpose. It chills me to even think about the amount of mischief that is going on in the other two counties with these &quot;dimpled&quot; ballots, especially in Palm Beach where it couldn't be more clear that the canvassing board is firmly in Gore's pocket.

 

[Capn]

Veryape, if there is anyone blinded here it must be you. You only appear to be a blithering Gore fan talking about Jeb conspiracies and 20K tossed out ballots (which must've been for Gore *of course*). Tell the rest of the sane world when you want rejoin the party ok?

250k spread over 100 Million is a very small amount. That's 0.26% if you're not up to the math. Averaging this out in some smaller numbers here. Let's say there's 391 people voting in the a generic US town. If the results follow the popular vote count there would be 190 votes for Al Gore, 189 votes for George Bush, 10 votes for Ralph Nader, and 1 vote for Pat Buchanan. Now 1 vote out of 391 is hardly anything right? Well the same goes for 250k out of over 100 million. But we don't elect presidents by the popular vote, if we did elections would be run differently.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Russ:

You seem very bitter and angry, and it seems this feeds your curiously intense feelings regarding the election. From what I can see you are fed not by your fondness for Bush but your hatred for Gore. Am I wrong? I hope this finds you well, and I regret that this election morass is evidently such a personal issue for you. In my experience it never pays (at least in this country) to get so emotionally invested in politics.

 

[Russ]

Tee_Edwards,

You assume too much.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I only hope you are not armed (or at least that your armaments are finite). I am moving to Washington next year and I do not wish to invest in a home alarm system unless I absolutely have to do so.

 

[Russ]

Tee_Edwards,

I am armed to the teeth. It is one of the many rights affirmed us by our Founding Fathers. But, were you trying to make some kind of point with your statement?

Russ, NCNE

 

[Michael]

I personally think that Gore has more than enough votes in the ones remaining to be counted to make up the 800 or so votes to go. I am confused about the 80 or so votes that Gore gained from absentee voted with taped over holes. The guess is that they just made a mistake and meant to vote for Gore and the voter taped over the wrong hole that was punched. I don't understand why they can't contact the absentee voter and ask to be sure. Plus, they could test to see if the tape was the same on each ballot. If it isn't, fraud is far less likely.

I'm also trying to figure out if Red Dawn just likes trying to stir up shi!t with his posts attacking both parties (he doens't seem to have a favourite group to jump all over), or if he's living in some sort of delusional world where he thinks that a large number of people a) agree with him and b) really care about his opinion in these threads. Since I tend to agree with his posts in general and the only complaint I ever really have is that he's a trifle harsh at times, I'm guessing a). <grin>.

Michael