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MGS4 on 360 Rumors Gain Ground

THIS IS COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED!!

/sarcasm
//there really needs to be a sarcasm font or typecast of some sort. Like bold + italic + underlined = sarcasm.
 
The MGS series is linear, right? So it'd work on multiple DVDs?

Not that I care. I could buy it for my PS3, but everyone here told me I'd be wasting my time since I didn't play the previous games.
 
Originally posted by: Beev
Obligatory

bwahaha 😀

Yeah, the game is very large. Even with the insane compression Microsoft uses with 360 software, it'd still probably require 3 discs. Those movies can only be compressed so much before they look like ass with artifacts everywhere during action sequences.

The linearity of the game world progression would make it more feasible than most games, so spanning discs wouldn't be a huge issue as far as game play goes. But Kojima has been pretty adamant about it being coded specifically for the system and again, the Blu-ray factor.

I wouldn't cry about it, as this generation it seems more and more than exclusivity is no longer just a game on a single system, but rather multi-console with console-specific DLC. Which I think pisses me off more than single-console exclusivity (when it doesn't work out for me 😛).

If it weren't for the Blu-ray factor, I would have expected this title to reach the 360 from the moment it was announced - every MGS game since MGS2 has reached Microsoft consoles, and a little to Nintendo as well.
Which was really surprising with the Xbox because well, it just didn't have amazing sales as a console, so it was likely just Konami trying to eek a few more dollars out of the titles after it had been on the PS2 for some time.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
The MGS series is linear, right? So it'd work on multiple DVDs?

Not that I care. I could buy it for my PS3, but everyone here told me I'd be wasting my time since I didn't play the previous games.

It wouldn't really be a waste of time, but it'd be a big gamble since you haven't been exposed to the rather, well... unique, story of the MGS universe. 😉 I myself really enjoy the story, but it is definitely 'out there'. And without playing the previous titles and knowing how the gameplay was, you might end up going into these game with the action mindset, and since it gives the ability to play it like an action-shooter, people have gone that route and not enjoyed it because the controls for the FPS style gameplay just aren't up to par with true FPS titles, but it incredibly welcome in the sequences where hell breaks loose in the game.

Some people don't like the lengthy movies throughout the game, and if all are skipped, apparently the game can be beaten in under 10 hours, with an 'award' for those that are able to beat it in under 5 hours, though insanely difficult and requires essentially never being scene outside of the action sequences. But as a fan of the series, lengthy cinematic sequences are far from new, and with the amount of story thrown into this game, it'd really be impossible to weave it all into gameplay itself, and personally, if the story is worthy, I enjoy cutscenes, and some of the ones in this game are really movie caliber and just provide another way to enjoy the game. I'd sit back and enjoy it like I would when watching a movie. 🙂

If that doesn't sound like something you'd ever enjoy, then stay far away, because you'll probably come away foaming at the mouth and loathing the developers. 😛
MGS1 is an incredible game, but is so dated now that it'd probably be very boring when you are used to modern games, and oh... probably harder than it should be since you have less abilities. MGS2 was enjoyable, even though they threw Snake out of the picture for the majority of the game - the entire second half. But still played just like a MGS game, so it didn't really upset me as much as the fanboys that threw themselves into a frenzy over a change of character. I love the series but am open to changes, or else it'd just feel like 'been there - done that'. Sequels are great, but not when its basically the same damn thing time and time again, which is where story gets important in games. And like I said, the MGS story is incredibly enjoyable if you can find yourself getting into the story and not looking for ways at how unrealistic and contrived it may feel to you, because it weaves its craziness into a pretty real feeling world imho.
Oh and MGS4 has a LOT of political and other themes that are used to take a look at modern and future issues, and I really enjoyed those themes. Kojima is a BIG fan of including very real themes in a seemingly crazy and out-there story. The Zone of the Enders universe had a lot of that too, and made it all the more awesome.

And on that note... dammit Kojima, where the hell is my Zone of the Enders 3?!!! A ZOE game on the PS3 would kick so much ass if it lived up to the previous games, and the power of the modern console generation would allow for so many enemies on screen at once and still look oh so pretty, like ZOE was for the PS2.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
If it weren't for the Blu-ray factor, I would have expected this title to reach the 360 from the moment it was announced - every MGS game since MGS2 has reached Microsoft consoles, and a little to Nintendo as well.

As far as I can tell, MGS2:Substance is the only MGS title that reached a Microsoft console.
 
Originally posted by: R Nilla
Originally posted by: destrekor
If it weren't for the Blu-ray factor, I would have expected this title to reach the 360 from the moment it was announced - every MGS game since MGS2 has reached Microsoft consoles, and a little to Nintendo as well.

As far as I can tell, MGS2:Substance is the only MGS title that reached a Microsoft console.

You would be correct sir. MGS2:Substance so far is the ONLY MG game to have ever graced a MS console.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Beev
Obligatory

bwahaha 😀

Yeah, the game is very large. Even with the insane compression Microsoft uses with 360 software, it'd still probably require 3 discs. Those movies can only be compressed so much before they look like ass with artifacts everywhere during action sequences.

The linearity of the game world progression would make it more feasible than most games, so spanning discs wouldn't be a huge issue as far as game play goes. But Kojima has been pretty adamant about it being coded specifically for the system and again, the Blu-ray factor.

I wouldn't cry about it, as this generation it seems more and more than exclusivity is no longer just a game on a single system, but rather multi-console with console-specific DLC. Which I think pisses me off more than single-console exclusivity (when it doesn't work out for me 😛).

If it weren't for the Blu-ray factor, I would have expected this title to reach the 360 from the moment it was announced - every MGS game since MGS2 has reached Microsoft consoles, and a little to Nintendo as well.
Which was really surprising with the Xbox because well, it just didn't have amazing sales as a console, so it was likely just Konami trying to eek a few more dollars out of the titles after it had been on the PS2 for some time.

Most would be surprisedat how much HD video can compress while still looking very good. You can easily fit two (yes, two) full length 720p movies on a dual layer DVD with excellent quality and full 5.1 sound. Not quite blu-ray but most people wouldnt care or even notice. I dont know how much total movie length is in MGS4, but they could almost certainly squeeze it into 2-3 discs.

It might require quite a bit of recoding from the rather odd PS3 architecture, but its hardly a matter of being able to do it.

To be honest, I'll be surprised if it ISN'T ported.
 
This would be great for the people who played the previous ones and don't own a PS3. You really do need to play the previous ones to appreciate the game. MGS4 really is a game for the fans of the series, not so much noobies.
 
Also FWIW if you haven't played MGS4 on the PS3, there are specific "loading" sections as you complete each chapter or two, the game stops to install the next section on the HD.

In essence, the game is already designed to be split up into seperate disks.
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Beev
Obligatory

bwahaha 😀

Yeah, the game is very large. Even with the insane compression Microsoft uses with 360 software, it'd still probably require 3 discs. Those movies can only be compressed so much before they look like ass with artifacts everywhere during action sequences.

The linearity of the game world progression would make it more feasible than most games, so spanning discs wouldn't be a huge issue as far as game play goes. But Kojima has been pretty adamant about it being coded specifically for the system and again, the Blu-ray factor.

I wouldn't cry about it, as this generation it seems more and more than exclusivity is no longer just a game on a single system, but rather multi-console with console-specific DLC. Which I think pisses me off more than single-console exclusivity (when it doesn't work out for me 😛).

If it weren't for the Blu-ray factor, I would have expected this title to reach the 360 from the moment it was announced - every MGS game since MGS2 has reached Microsoft consoles, and a little to Nintendo as well.
Which was really surprising with the Xbox because well, it just didn't have amazing sales as a console, so it was likely just Konami trying to eek a few more dollars out of the titles after it had been on the PS2 for some time.

Most would be surprisedat how much HD video can compress while still looking very good. You can easily fit two (yes, two) full length 720p movies on a dual layer DVD with excellent quality and full 5.1 sound. Not quite blu-ray but most people wouldnt care or even notice. I dont know how much total movie length is in MGS4, but they could almost certainly squeeze it into 2-3 discs.

It might require quite a bit of recoding from the rather odd PS3 architecture, but its hardly a matter of being able to do it.

To be honest, I'll be surprised if it ISN'T ported.

Well that was what I was thinking. There are quite a few hours of videos, considering quite a few reach into the 20min+ region, a couple lasting a half hour, and while I have yet to beat it (had some training over the summer, have yet to fire it back up to do the final act of the game), I've heard the end-game video is nearly an hour. If I were to guess, there is probably 4+ hours of video in that game. I figure with that, and the insane compression software system Microsoft uses for game data, that yeah, the game could probably fit on 3 DL DVDs (just shy of 30gb), but might need a fourth depending on how much compression the video can withstand, and how much the game data can be compressed, and the game might be broken up based on the Acts (chapters), of which there are 5, to help with data accessing and linearity. It'd probably need to be 4 discs so that the user doesn't have to switch disc in the middle of an Act (which probably wouldn't work well for the developers either). Since the game is supposedly close to filling an entire BD-50, I'd guess MAYBE 15-25gb could be saved with video/data compression.
And then there's the issue of installing game data.. a couple GB are needed for each chapter (but each chapter's data replaces the previous) and stored on the HDD. Whether this can be prevented with the better data access of the DVD-ROM drive is unknown, and developers cannot require a hard disk since not all SKUs have one.

Like I said, I expect the game will likely reach the 360, but there's a possibility it's not feasible as Kojima has stated a few times.

And with Microsoft charging licensing fees for each disc in a game package, I wonder how Konami would react to that as it would come out of their potential profit if they sell a game with 4 discs.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
The MGS series is linear, right? So it'd work on multiple DVDs?

Not that I care. I could buy it for my PS3, but everyone here told me I'd be wasting my time since I didn't play the previous games.

True...i never played a MGS game, only the originals on NES. Picked up a used copy, not my type of game, ebayed it
 
I can see MGS4 coming to xbox360 once MS starts implementing bluray players in the new 360s......which may still happen
 
Originally posted by: rrahman1
I can see MGS4 coming to xbox360 once MS starts implementing bluray players in the new 360s......which may still happen

It'll just be external like the HD-DVD drive, not internal.
 
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: rrahman1
I can see MGS4 coming to xbox360 once MS starts implementing bluray players in the new 360s......which may still happen

It'll just be external like the HD-DVD drive, not internal.

regardless, just like how developers cannot require a hard drive in the 360 due to it technically being an accessory, I seriously doubt Microsoft would let a developer make a game that requires a drive that not everyone will own - that would be alienating a huge customer base.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: rrahman1
I can see MGS4 coming to xbox360 once MS starts implementing bluray players in the new 360s......which may still happen

It'll just be external like the HD-DVD drive, not internal.

regardless, just like how developers cannot require a hard drive in the 360 due to it technically being an accessory, I seriously doubt Microsoft would let a developer make a game that requires a drive that not everyone will own - that would be alienating a huge customer base.

Now that theyre practically giving away 20gb hard drives, I wouldnt be surprised if they loosen that standard just this one time.
 
It is beyond extremely iffy that MS will ever offer a Blu-Ray drive for the 360. They are wedding themselves to downloadable/streaming video. It is even more unlikely that they would put games on Blu-Ray for the 360 for reasons other than splitting the base. Blu-Ray's slow read speeds would be the prime reason.

Maybe in the next generation but not in this one.
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
It is beyond extremely iffy that MS will ever offer a Blu-Ray drive for the 360. They are wedding themselves to downloadable/streaming video. It is even more unlikely that they would put games on Blu-Ray for the 360 for reasons other than splitting the base. Blu-Ray's slow read speeds would be the prime reason.

Maybe in the next generation but not in this one.

:thumbsup:

It's pretty much "too late" in this generation to put games on Blu-Ray for the 360 and I agree with the slow read problems.

The technology will soon be fleshed out in a few years for the next generation consoles.
 
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