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Mexico Violence Spills Over to USA

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We can no longer pretend that this is just a Mexican problem. The violence has gotten so out of control between the cartels and corrupt police, that I would almost rather be in Iraq than Juarez.

If this gets any worse, I see us having 2 options:


1. Kill the demand. Make Cocaine, Heroin, and Meth legal, and domestically produce mass quantities.


I really dont see this happening. Even hippies know just how damaging those drugs are. It isnt like MJ where you can compare it to beer. The US would never consider full-scale decriminalization.


2. Stop throwing money to the Mexican government, and get involved. Delta Force, CIA, etc. I would hate to take assets away from the Middle East, but a team of Rangers, SEALS, Etc. could start taking out some of the big guys.

The obvious problem with something like this, is that when you kill one, 2 more pop up. The power-vaccum is actually what caused all of this to begin with.
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31

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We can no longer pretend that this is just a Mexican problem. The violence has gotten so out of control between the cartels and corrupt police, that I would almost rather be in Iraq than Juarez.

If this gets any worse, I see us having 2 options:


1. Kill the demand. Make Cocaine, Heroin, and Meth legal, and domestically produce mass quantities.


I really dont see this happening. Even hippies know just how damaging those drugs are. It isnt like MJ where you can compare it to beer. The US would never consider full-scale decriminalization.
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Maybe we can do something like decriminalize the distribution, but continue to criminalize doing anything wrong while on the drugs - including add-on sentences if under the influence while committing a crime, the same way they have add-ons for using a gun in a crime.

That might help keep the criminals who abuse drugs in jail, while taking the profit out that funds the drug gangs.

There are only so many people who would start using if they were legalized, and some of those are 'harmless' only damaging themselves with the use.
 
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
1. Kill the demand. Make Cocaine, Heroin, and Meth legal, and domestically produce mass quantities.
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Meth is mostly imported from outside the US?
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After the crackdown on cold medicine, much of it has moved to "super-labs" across the border.
 
for starters, completely lock down the borders and crack down on illegals who are already here.

just a thought...
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Delta Force, CIA, etc. I would hate to take assets away from the Middle East, but a team of Rangers, SEALS, Etc. could start taking out some of the big guys.

The obvious problem with something like this, is that when you kill one, 2 more pop up. The power-vaccum is actually what caused all of this to begin with.
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The obvious problem with something like this is that our Mexican "friends" (and I mean Mexican government) will once again bitch and moan about how we're being unnecessarily harsh and how our actions are bordering on illegal (as seen through the Mexican government's / interest groups' fucked up moral prism). Have you read some of the stuff coming out of their consulate regarding any incident when the US tries to assert its southern border? The shit is absurd to the point where it will make even a peace-loving liberal scarf-wearing fancyboy like yours truly shoot steam out of his ears.

Of course, these same "friends" are balls deep in the drug cartel corruption to begin with.

I propose a wide moat, filled with acid, and acid-resistant sharks that spit said acid.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Ocguy31

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We can no longer pretend that this is just a Mexican problem. The violence has gotten so out of control between the cartels and corrupt police, that I would almost rather be in Iraq than Juarez.

If this gets any worse, I see us having 2 options:


1. Kill the demand. Make Cocaine, Heroin, and Meth legal, and domestically produce mass quantities.


I really dont see this happening. Even hippies know just how damaging those drugs are. It isnt like MJ where you can compare it to beer. The US would never consider full-scale decriminalization.
Click to expand...

Maybe we can do something like decriminalize the distribution, but continue to criminalize doing anything wrong while on the drugs - including add-on sentences if under the influence while committing a crime, the same way they have add-ons for using a gun in a crime.

That might help keep the criminals who abuse drugs in jail, while taking the profit out that funds the drug gangs.

There are only so many people who would start using if they were legalized, and some of those are 'harmless' only damaging themselves with the use.
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That is interesting. I would even take it further to say criminalize its usage completely (whether someone is doing something wrong or not) but somehow create anonymous distribution outlets. This way people caught with drugs during traffic stops or using in public or whatever get caught, and instead of sending them to jail we send them to rehab. The rehab is paid for by profit at the distribution centers.

I'm sure there are major holes in this idea since I'm just making it up going off of what you said, but it seems to me there is a permanent level of drug usage we have to find acceptable and then get rid of the problem of crime supporting the industry that will always exist.

I'm actually in favor of legalizing it all but I understand that won't happen.
 
I believe at one time half of China was addicted to opium, so legalization of hard drugs doesn't look like a very good option to me.
 
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.
 
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.
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Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:
 
Legalize and tax marijuana and hope people switch to it from meth, etc. while we take billions in funding away from the cartels.

Or also legalize heroin, meth etc. but only under doctor-supervised conditions. Don't some European countries do this now?
 
sadly, the feds will do nothing. just take a look at this thread - Man sued for $32 million by illegals.

we have had more than a couple home invasions in the PHX area that were more like military type assaults w/ the "home invaders" wearing body armor and using some decent weaponry, but nothing is done, and nothing will be on the federal level. the SW US is basically by itself on this one, which it has been for a long time, well before 9/11.
 
A quote from the story
"In Phoenix, 150 miles north of the Mexican border, police have reported a sharp increase in kidnappings and home invasions, with about 350 each year for the last two years, and say the majority were committed at the behest of the Mexican drug gangs."

However, a lot of the violence and kidnappings are not just from drugs and the dealing/transportation of,.. a lot of it is with the illegal immigrants too,... there is a lot of kidnapping of illegals, ransoming of illegals, etc,... gangs of Mexicans fight over groups of illegals, kidnap them for ransom, etc,...

Phoenix is the kidnapping capital of the United States,.. and crime has become more violent overall here. The majority of home invasions aren't about drugs here anymore,.. it is about just plain brutal robbings and kidnappings of illegals,... The majority of Phoenix police officers that have been killed have also been killed by illegals,... The gangs doing these are more and more in full military gear with bulletproof vests, etc,...

This needs to be more of a focus by our country as a whole,... however it keeps getting pushed aside,... it was never even brought up as an issue during the Presidential election, which I found extremely disgusting.
 
Legalize drugs, create a guest worker program, and prosecute each and every border vigilante who breaks the law ==> end of border violence.
 
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.
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Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:
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Don't forget death penalty for anybody caught listening to Creed. Some crimes just can't be forgiven.
 
Legalize drugs. Give them away free. Our sick need to tell other people what they can and can't put in their body is killing us. It's preposterously stupid.
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31

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We can no longer pretend that this is just a Mexican problem. The violence has gotten so out of control between the cartels and corrupt police, that I would almost rather be in Iraq than Juarez.

If this gets any worse, I see us having 2 options:


1. Kill the demand. Make Cocaine, Heroin, and Meth legal, and domestically produce mass quantities.


I really dont see this happening. Even hippies know just how damaging those drugs are. It isnt like MJ where you can compare it to beer. The US would never consider full-scale decriminalization.


2. Stop throwing money to the Mexican government, and get involved. Delta Force, CIA, etc. I would hate to take assets away from the Middle East, but a team of Rangers, SEALS, Etc. could start taking out some of the big guys.

The obvious problem with something like this, is that when you kill one, 2 more pop up. The power-vaccum is actually what caused all of this to begin with.
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True, you need to make a decision, should you move the US or not?

Because that's the only way to fix it.
 
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.
Click to expand...

Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:
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Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.
 
Originally posted by: ironwing
Legalize drugs, create a guest worker program, and prosecute each and every border vigilante who breaks the law ==> end of border violence.
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yea... Change we can believe in = Give kids drugs, then give the illegals their future jobs and lock up people protecting themselves and their land. This way everybody will be dependant on thier government and they can give us everything we need!

worst kind of liberal = Rights for everyone but Americans...
 
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.
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haha... what.
 
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.
Click to expand...

Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:
Click to expand...

Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.
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I was just making the point that as long as the U.S. continues to be the top market for illegal drugs, the supply will never be stopped.

I think the drug problem in the U.S. needs to be addressed before we start naping the frontier, as some in here are suggesting.
 
Originally posted by: fallout man
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.
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haha... what.
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You read what i said and that is exactly what i mean. Meth is no more addictive than pot or alcohol and has a half life equivalent to that of alcohol.
 
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