Mexico Violence Spills Over to USA

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.

Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:

Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.

I was just making the point that as long as the U.S. continues to be the top market for illegal drugs, the supply will never be stopped.

I think the drug problem in the U.S. needs to be addressed before we start naping the frontier, as some in here are suggesting.

First point, ok, i misunderstood you, i just found it wierd that you chose two drugs that are so extremely far from eachother as they are, meth and pot would work and so would cocaine and heroin.

Second point, busting dealers has been proven to be ineffective, we all know that. IOW, you are right, but the human psyche is easily affected by drugs and there is no turning point where you just turn back, even for drugs like meth or pot that are not physically addictive.

The only way to fight it is to make less people want to use it and hinder the supply of it.

 

[RichardE]

The cartel boys after behind small armies. You would need a very large, very public offensive to kill them. This isn't as simple as "lets go find where he sleeps and slive his throat". Have you seen the "fortresses" these guys live in? Surrounded by kill zones and guards? You are talking more about bombing them than anything else.

Even than, it might not do much. Close the border and it would help, but even than, not much. As long as Americans continue to want there product they will provide it, if not Mexico than Brazil, or some other tropical country. They money would be better spent on education since a more educated populace consumes less drugs on average. (not across the entire drug spectrum, but look at the average education of heroin/meth users and I would say crack (though blow is still a high rollers drugs of choice)).

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.

Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:

Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.

You are absolutely retarded and have never met anyone who is addicted to tweak. I just lost any and all e-respect for you. Seriously, are you that dim?

Edit: Ah, UK. That explains alot.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.

Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:

Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.

You are absolutely retarded and have never met anyone who is addicted to tweak. I just lost any and all e-respect for you. Seriously, are you that dim?

Edit: Ah, UK. That explains alot.

Military, i'm posting from Afghanistan.

You might be a retarded piece of twat but in reality, neither meth nor pot is physically addictive substances, NOT addictive, get that, got that?

Good, now scrape your dumb arse off of the keyboard and go smoke some pot.

If anything, there is a definitive reason to believe that smoking pot affects your brain, most people can't even understand a line of thought after doing it.

You know... like you.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.

Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:

Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.

Methamphetamine is a central nervous system stimulant with a high potential for abuse and dependence. A synthetic drug, methamphetamine is closely related chemically to amphetamine

http://ag.state.nv.us/meth/what/basics.htm



You are absolutely retarded and have never met anyone who is addicted to tweak. I just lost any and all e-respect for you. Seriously, are you that dim?

Edit: Ah, UK. That explains alot.

neither meth nor pot is physically addictive

Methamphetamine is addictive, and users can develop a tolerance quickly, needing larger amounts to get high. In some cases, users forego food and sleep and take more meth every few hours for days, 'binging' until they run out of the drug or become too disorganized to continue. Chronic use can cause paranoia, hallucinations, repetitive behavior (such as compulsively cleaning, grooming or disassembling and assembling objects), and delusions of parasites or insects crawling under the skin. Users can obsessively scratch their skin to get rid of these imagined insects. Long-term use, high dosages, or both can bring on full-blown toxic psychosis (often exhibited as violent, aggressive behavior). This violent, aggressive behavior is usually coupled with extreme paranoia. Methamphetamine use can also cause strokes and death.


http://www.drugfree.org/Portal..._Guide/Methamphetamine



Methamphetamine
Methamphetamine is a highly addictive central nervous system stimulant that can be injected, snorted, smoked, or ingested orally.

http://www.whitehousedrugpolic...amphetamine/index.html


Methamphetamine is a central nervous system stimulant with a high potential for abuse and dependence. A synthetic drug, methamphetamine is closely related chemically to amphetamine

http://ag.state.nv.us/meth/what/basics.htm


"Why Is Meth So Addictive?"



http://www.michaelshouse.com/c...meth-so-addictive.html





Seriously though, arguing if Meth is addictive or not is like you saying the Earth is flat and me actually responding.

I used to appreciate your service, but now you are either a troll or are so brainwashed by your 2nd-rate military that you dont know what to do.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.

Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:

Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.

You are absolutely retarded and have never met anyone who is addicted to tweak. I just lost any and all e-respect for you. Seriously, are you that dim?

Edit: Ah, UK. That explains alot.

neither meth nor pot is physically addictive

Methamphetamine is addictive, and users can develop a tolerance quickly, needing larger amounts to get high. In some cases, users forego food and sleep and take more meth every few hours for days, 'binging' until they run out of the drug or become too disorganized to continue. Chronic use can cause paranoia, hallucinations, repetitive behavior (such as compulsively cleaning, grooming or disassembling and assembling objects), and delusions of parasites or insects crawling under the skin. Users can obsessively scratch their skin to get rid of these imagined insects. Long-term use, high dosages, or both can bring on full-blown toxic psychosis (often exhibited as violent, aggressive behavior). This violent, aggressive behavior is usually coupled with extreme paranoia. Methamphetamine use can also cause strokes and death.


http://www.drugfree.org/Portal..._Guide/Methamphetamine



Methamphetamine
Methamphetamine is a highly addictive central nervous system stimulant that can be injected, snorted, smoked, or ingested orally.

http://www.whitehousedrugpolic...amphetamine/index.html


Seriously though, arguing if Meth is addictive or not is like you saying the Earth is flat and me actually responding.

I used to appreciate your service, but now you are either a troll or are so brainwashed by your 2nd-rate military that you dont know what to do. Brush your teeth.

No, it is not physically addictive and none of what you posted nor what you linked to says it is.

Methylated amphetamines are just that, same as any other amphetamines only they last longer because of the longer chain.

Meth is NOT more physically addictive than alcohol (which, while completely different, shares some of the properties, like needing higher dosage, so does pot by the way) or pot.

There is no receptor regulation and there is no bodily storage, you might crash for a day and go through the same withdrawal as an alcoholic (although not as bad) but that has nothing to do with physical addiction.

MDMA is another form of amphetamine, while structurally different it's basically the same drug with a different delivery system, so is ritalin, would you say ecstasy is addictive or ritalin?

In reality ALL drugs are addictive in some way, even psychotropics, but very few are physically addictive, some are like nicotine, Opium (and derivatives) and cocaine (in various forms).

Now peyote though... that's just nice.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.

Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:

Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.

You are absolutely retarded and have never met anyone who is addicted to tweak. I just lost any and all e-respect for you. Seriously, are you that dim?

Edit: Ah, UK. That explains alot.

neither meth nor pot is physically addictive

Methamphetamine is addictive, and users can develop a tolerance quickly, needing larger amounts to get high. In some cases, users forego food and sleep and take more meth every few hours for days, 'binging' until they run out of the drug or become too disorganized to continue. Chronic use can cause paranoia, hallucinations, repetitive behavior (such as compulsively cleaning, grooming or disassembling and assembling objects), and delusions of parasites or insects crawling under the skin. Users can obsessively scratch their skin to get rid of these imagined insects. Long-term use, high dosages, or both can bring on full-blown toxic psychosis (often exhibited as violent, aggressive behavior). This violent, aggressive behavior is usually coupled with extreme paranoia. Methamphetamine use can also cause strokes and death.


http://www.drugfree.org/Portal..._Guide/Methamphetamine



Methamphetamine
Methamphetamine is a highly addictive central nervous system stimulant that can be injected, snorted, smoked, or ingested orally.

http://www.whitehousedrugpolic...amphetamine/index.html


Seriously though, arguing if Meth is addictive or not is like you saying the Earth is flat and me actually responding.

I used to appreciate your service, but now you are either a troll or are so brainwashed by your 2nd-rate military that you dont know what to do. Brush your teeth.

No, it is not physically addictive and none of what you posted nor what you linked to says it is.

Methylated amphetamines are just that, same as any other amphetamines only they last longer because of the longer chain.

Meth is NOT more physically addictive than alcohol (which, while completely different, shares some of the properties, like needing higher dosage, so does pot by the way) or pot.

There is no receptor regulation and there is no bodily storage, you might crash for a day and go through the same withdrawal as an alcoholic (although not as bad) but that has nothing to do with physical addiction.

MDMA is another form of amphetamine, while structurally different it's basically the same drug with a different delivery system, so is ritalin, would you say ecstasy is addictive or ritalin?

In reality ALL drugs are addictive in some way, even psychotropics, but very few are physically addictive, some are like nicotine, Opium (and derivatives) and cocaine (in various forms).

Now peyote though... that's just nice.

No, some internet grunt from the UK is right. My life experience, along with Doctors/Government/Common sense are wrong.


I apologize for anything I said. If you have more tidbits of wisdom, please espouse them on us all.

 

[umbrella39]

There is a BIG difference between physical addiction and psychological addiction and that is the point he is making. Why in the hell do you think we wean or detox patients with certain addictions? Watch VH1 celebrity rehab and notice how the crack head feels great 2 days off but the opiate addict is curled up into a ball on the floor puking.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Hire more guards along the border, arm them with machine guns, and let the Mexicans kill each other in their country.

Lame supply side argument. :thumbsdown:



Death penalty for any amount of coke or meth possesion in the U.S.:thumbsup:

Why meth? It's as addictive as pot with 1/12th of the half life.

Amphetamines are not physically addictive drugs and about as psychologically addictive as alcohol or pot.

You are absolutely retarded and have never met anyone who is addicted to tweak. I just lost any and all e-respect for you. Seriously, are you that dim?

Edit: Ah, UK. That explains alot.

neither meth nor pot is physically addictive

Methamphetamine is addictive, and users can develop a tolerance quickly, needing larger amounts to get high. In some cases, users forego food and sleep and take more meth every few hours for days, 'binging' until they run out of the drug or become too disorganized to continue. Chronic use can cause paranoia, hallucinations, repetitive behavior (such as compulsively cleaning, grooming or disassembling and assembling objects), and delusions of parasites or insects crawling under the skin. Users can obsessively scratch their skin to get rid of these imagined insects. Long-term use, high dosages, or both can bring on full-blown toxic psychosis (often exhibited as violent, aggressive behavior). This violent, aggressive behavior is usually coupled with extreme paranoia. Methamphetamine use can also cause strokes and death.


http://www.drugfree.org/Portal..._Guide/Methamphetamine



Methamphetamine
Methamphetamine is a highly addictive central nervous system stimulant that can be injected, snorted, smoked, or ingested orally.

http://www.whitehousedrugpolic...amphetamine/index.html


Seriously though, arguing if Meth is addictive or not is like you saying the Earth is flat and me actually responding.

I used to appreciate your service, but now you are either a troll or are so brainwashed by your 2nd-rate military that you dont know what to do. Brush your teeth.

No, it is not physically addictive and none of what you posted nor what you linked to says it is.

Methylated amphetamines are just that, same as any other amphetamines only they last longer because of the longer chain.

Meth is NOT more physically addictive than alcohol (which, while completely different, shares some of the properties, like needing higher dosage, so does pot by the way) or pot.

There is no receptor regulation and there is no bodily storage, you might crash for a day and go through the same withdrawal as an alcoholic (although not as bad) but that has nothing to do with physical addiction.

MDMA is another form of amphetamine, while structurally different it's basically the same drug with a different delivery system, so is ritalin, would you say ecstasy is addictive or ritalin?

In reality ALL drugs are addictive in some way, even psychotropics, but very few are physically addictive, some are like nicotine, Opium (and derivatives) and cocaine (in various forms).

Now peyote though... that's just nice.

No, some internet grunt from the UK is right. My life experience, along with Doctors/Government/Common sense are wrong.


I apologize for anything I said. If you have more tidbits of wisdom, please espouse them on us all.

Biochemists all over the world know what i mean, try going to a forum where this can be discussed in detail and read what is said instead of anecdotal experience.

One of the thing with amphetamine (it's a synthetic drug so all alterations will invariably change the immediate properties while no changes in the actual properties can be made without making it inert) is that it's not physically addictive, now this isn't me sitting here making up shit, that is a fact, i already explained it to you, it doesn't affect ANYTHING that affects receptor sites after it clears NOR does it work as an agonist or antagonist at any receptor sites after it's been metabolised.

Psychologically, even washing your hands can be addictive.

Your apology is accepted though and best wishes.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: aka1nas
Is it time to annex Mexico, yet?

Why the hell would we want to absorb more problems? :Q

We're getting the problems anyway. The only difference is that now we can't do anything but make ineffectual attempts to alleviate the symptoms. At this point, it's going to take an army to actually destroy the drug lords as they are far better armed than most police forces and significantly more brutal. The Mexican army is unfortunately too compromised to be effective as well.

Their government is so corrupt as to make ours look almost clean in comparison. It's past the point of being reformable and if we try to work with their government to stop the drug lords, we just get screwed (again) as the cartels basically own the government.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

This mayhem has been brought to you by -- Illegal Immigration and an insecure border.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: aka1nas
Is it time to annex Mexico, yet?

I've wondered about the efficacy of doing this. Problem is--how would we clean up Mexico's economic mess once we took it over? Can we afford to do something like that? Do we really want to add tens of millions of poor people to our nation's population? Will the Mexican Catholics provide enough anti-abortion votes to make abortion illegal?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

This mayhem has been brought to you by -- Illegal Immigration and an insecure border.

Simply because legal immigration from Mexico is virtually impossible, it's easier to legally immigrate from China even if you have to row a fucking boat from the mainland to the mainland.

You reap what you sow, but that would put some resonsibility on you and you don't like that so you pretend it has anything to do with you.

 

[Triumph]

I'm all for putting an entire division of the military along our borders, but that's not really going to fix the problem (we should do it anyway, though ). How is a border offensive going to stop violence in Atlanta and Phoenix? Unfortunately, this country doesn't have what it takes to DO what it takes to stop these problems - legalize drugs. I can't see the government running an effective distribution plan, as an entity to provide the supply. If you let private companies do it, who is going to? Existing pharm. companies probably wouldn't, at least not right away. I'd see the initial distributors being made up of, who else, but drug cartels posing as legitimate companies.

Legalizing drugs would probably work in the long run, unfortunately it would take a long time, maybe a generation, and Americans simply are too impatient and ADD ridden to accept that. We want solutions now now now now now! With no difficult transition period, no affect to anyone's pocket book, and no sacrifice by any member of the population. That's how this country seems to work.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

This mayhem has been brought to you by -- Illegal Immigration and an insecure border.

Simply because legal immigration from Mexico is virtually impossible, it's easier to legally immigrate from China even if you have to row a fucking boat from the mainland to the mainland.

You reap what you sow, but that would put some resonsibility on you and you don't like that so you pretend it has anything to do with you.

If legal immigration from Mexico is virtually impossible, how does that justify illegal immigration? Can you imagine what would happen to America's population if we opened the floodgates and let all of the world's poor immigrate here?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: ironwing
Legalize drugs, create a guest worker program, and prosecute each and every border vigilante who breaks the law ==> end of border violence.

yea... Change we can believe in = Give kids drugs, then give the illegals their future jobs and lock up people protecting themselves and their land. This way everybody will be dependant on thier government and they can give us everything we need!

worst kind of liberal = Rights for everyone but Americans...

The drug war has been a total failure, why would anyone want to waste more lives, liberty, and treasure on it? With a guest worker program, these workers wouldn't be illegal and would have standing to demand higher wages and better working conditions, lifting all boats. Vigilantes are just thugs looking for victims. Conservative values = violence and failure.

 

[StageLeft]

You cannot legalize something like cocaine and heroine, that's a non-starter.

I think a good start is lock down that motherfvcking border. It is a complete joke now.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

This mayhem has been brought to you by -- Illegal Immigration and an insecure border.

Simply because legal immigration from Mexico is virtually impossible, it's easier to legally immigrate from China even if you have to row a fucking boat from the mainland to the mainland.

You reap what you sow, but that would put some resonsibility on you and you don't like that so you pretend it has anything to do with you.

If legal immigration from Mexico is virtually impossible, how does that justify illegal immigration? Can you imagine what would happen to America's population if we opened the floodgates and let all of the world's poor immigrate here?

You mean like when the floodgates opened in Europe when you drove the Iraqis out of their homes? ONE CITY of 30k took more refugees than the Americas as a whole.

Don't come crying to me about your ittly bitty problems, realise that THEY are the hard workers, THEY keep the economy going and immigration CAN be a good thing.

All you have to do is to revise the politics towards the reality, but you never do that so why bother now?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You cannot legalize something like cocaine and heroine, that's a non-starter.

I think a good start is lock down that motherfvcking border. It is a complete joke now.

I agree, those two along with their various derivatives cannot and should not ever be legalised. They are simply physically addictive.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

This mayhem has been brought to you by -- Illegal Immigration and an insecure border.

Simply because legal immigration from Mexico is virtually impossible, it's easier to legally immigrate from China even if you have to row a fucking boat from the mainland to the mainland.

You reap what you sow, but that would put some resonsibility on you and you don't like that so you pretend it has anything to do with you.

If legal immigration from Mexico is virtually impossible, how does that justify illegal immigration? Can you imagine what would happen to America's population if we opened the floodgates and let all of the world's poor immigrate here?

They are open now to any with two feet and is in walking distance. You think the poor are going to fly here? Wake up.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You cannot legalize something like cocaine and heroine, that's a non-starter.

I think a good start is lock down that motherfvcking border. It is a complete joke now.

Talk about non-starters. Drugs are illegal because Americans are Puritan assholes.

Illegals are here because people are greedy and can pay them low wages to do shit they won't do.

The former is a lot more curable than the second.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: ironwing
Legalize drugs, create a guest worker program, and prosecute each and every border vigilante who breaks the law ==> end of border violence.

yea... Change we can believe in = Give kids drugs, then give the illegals their future jobs and lock up people protecting themselves and their land. This way everybody will be dependant on thier government and they can give us everything we need!

worst kind of liberal = Rights for everyone but Americans...

The drug war has been a total failure, why would anyone want to waste more lives, liberty, and treasure on it? With a guest worker program, these workers wouldn't be illegal and would have standing to demand higher wages and better working conditions, lifting all boats. Vigilantes are just thugs looking for victims. Conservative values = violence and failure.

Liberal values = give up, puss out, Kill children, give a terrorists/illegals/criminals rights and other wise say fvck do what ever makes you feel good and damn the consequences.

thanks for playing

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: ironwing
Legalize drugs, create a guest worker program, and prosecute each and every border vigilante who breaks the law ==> end of border violence.

yea... Change we can believe in = Give kids drugs, then give the illegals their future jobs and lock up people protecting themselves and their land. This way everybody will be dependant on thier government and they can give us everything we need!

worst kind of liberal = Rights for everyone but Americans...

The drug war has been a total failure, why would anyone want to waste more lives, liberty, and treasure on it? With a guest worker program, these workers wouldn't be illegal and would have standing to demand higher wages and better working conditions, lifting all boats. Vigilantes are just thugs looking for victims. Conservative values = violence and failure.

Liberal values = give up, puss out, Kill children, give a terrorists/illegals/criminals rights and other wise say fvck do what ever makes you feel good and damn the consequences.

thanks for playing

Abandoning failed policies is not "pussing out", it's using your head.