Mexico says Bush proposal won't do enough to protect Mexicans living illegally in America

[dahunan]

Why is Mexico even involved in our policymaking decisions concerning our Immigration policies??? Fix your own country so people want to STAY THERE!



Mexico: Migrant Plan Needs Work

MEXICO CITY, Jan. 7, 2006

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/07/world/main592046.shtml
"If you have a friend living illegally in the States and Bush comes in and makes him legal, you are going to want to go too."
Manuel Espinosa, immigration lawyer


(AP) Mexico applauded U.S. President George W. Bush's plan to grant legal status to foreigners working in the United States, but said the proposal won't do enough to protect millions of Mexicans living illegally in America.

Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez called the White House's proposal "the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end" of the immigration debate. He said authorities in Mexico and the United States would "now have to work out the final details."

Announced by President Bush in Washington on Wednesday, the plan would create a temporary worker program for illegal migrants now in the United States and those in other countries who have been offered employment in America.

Bush said that, if enacted by Congress, his proposal would provide a more compassionate system for migrants who now live in the shadows of U.S. society.

At a Mexico City news conference, Derbez called the proposal "a recognition of the contribution that migrants make to the economic and social rhythm of" the United States. But he said Mexico wouldn't be satisfied until U.S. immigration policy better guaranteed the protection of the basic human rights of millions of undocumented Mexicans living in America.

"We will continue working until we have obtained what we have really always looked for and that is a program that is all-encompassing," he said.

 

[dmcowen674]

"We will continue working until we have obtained what we have really always looked for and that is a program that is all-encompassing,"

Making Mexico the 51st State should do that quite well.

Renaming the U.S. to Unestados De Mexico should do quite nicely too.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"We will continue working until we have obtained what we have really always looked for and that is a program that is all-encompassing,"

Making Mexico the 51st State should do that quite well.

Renaming the U.S. to Unestados De Mexico should do quite nicely too.

Rounding them upo, sending them back and stationing National Guardsmen at the Border sounds like a better solution to me. Adios Pendejo

 

[Aceshigh]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"We will continue working until we have obtained what we have really always looked for and that is a program that is all-encompassing,"

Making Mexico the 51st State should do that quite well.

Renaming the U.S. to Unestados De Mexico should do quite nicely too.

Rounding them upo, sending them back and stationing National Guardsmen at the Border sounds like a better solution to me. Adios Pendejo

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"We will continue working until we have obtained what we have really always looked for and that is a program that is all-encompassing,"

Making Mexico the 51st State should do that quite well.

Renaming the U.S. to Unestados De Mexico should do quite nicely too.

Rounding them upo, sending them back and stationing National Guardsmen at the Border sounds like a better solution to me. Adios Pendejo

You can't be against our Greatest President ever on this. You heard the President, there are no Americans to take the jobs, we must make our friends to the south citizens to continue to drive this greatest Economy ever.

 

[burnedout]

I can see it now. Next for the illegal hordes, Mexico will request air-conditioned "rest stations" placed at strategic locations in the Rio Grande valley during the summer months.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Why is Mexico even involved in our policymaking decisions concerning our Immigration policies??? Fix your own country so people want to STAY THERE!

I concur.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Fox said it is his government's ultimate goal to try to give all Mexicans living and working illegally in the United States "all the rights that any worker has in that country."

Why should they have the same rights as one who arrived legally. The legals obeyed the system. The illegals circumvented it and now wish to be rewarded for doing so?:disgust:

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Screw illegals. :| I used to be a Bush supporter, but my support for Bush just took a HUGE 180 degree turn. Get that bastard out of office. :|

 

[maluckey]

The program does not make illegals suddenly legal, or legal at all. It only allows for more work permits, and certain other benefits to those who enter legally under the newly created programs, such as SS benefits, and certain other immigration rights. It is a modification of the 1996 act. Illegals are still going to be illegal. What Mexico wants is amnesty, and it just can't happen at this point. Read the proposal before having a knee jerk response.

GWB didn't like ilegals when he was Governor, and allowed the state to give us (I was with INS at the time) personal data/records about benefits obtained by illegals to use against them in court. I don't think he's changed all that much. Illegals, and legal aliens can't vote, and Hispanics don't vote Republican as a rule, so votes are off the table here. All partisan quips aside, this could allow many of the uninsured to get car insurance, medical insurance, and put money into the SS system. All these things are good, not bad. The bad thing is that it will encourage more aliens to come to the U.S. What this country doesn't really need are more unskilled laborers, and poor persons clogging the social programs. If we can work it out to get the laborers without clogging the social programs, then it could be good.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Screw illegals. :| I used to be a Bush supporter, but my support for Bush just took a HUGE 180 degree turn. Get that bastard out of office. :|

I agree with you, but you better check the Democrats stance on this issue. I think they agree with Bush but want to take it a little further. I will try to verify this.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Fox said it is his government's ultimate goal to try to give all Mexicans living and working illegally in the United States "all the rights that any worker has in that country."

Why should they have the same rights as one who arrived legally. The legals obeyed the system. The illegals circumvented it and now wish to be rewarded for doing so?:disgust:

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Screw illegals. :| I used to be a Bush supporter, but my support for Bush just took a HUGE 180 degree turn. Get that bastard out of office. :|

Calm yourselves, you idiots. This legislation won't and isn't intended to pass. In order to keep us white guys in power we need cheap labor and we need Republicans in office and that means we need Senor Pendejo's vote. To get his vote we need to con him into thinking we're on his side. We'll pretend we're out to get him a dollar and deliver a dime. Get real guys, we don't forget our friends. That mean old democratic congress will fix the bill. There's still enough states where the warm weather bunnies haven't gotten in and bread like rats enough to upset the power vote.

Remember eat the meat, but throw the bones.

 

[stormbv]

The land of Freedom pushing away those looking for FREEDOM! Sickening!

 

[Mill]

The idea here is that workers in the US think certain types of work are beneath them. Ever wonder why dmcowen bitches about not having a job, but every Walmart and Fast Food place is hiring? That work is beneath him. So is doing landscaping, janitorial work, and other stuff. I'm not going to act like I want to do the stuff either, but all of these immigrants are willing to do it. If they don't then who will? Who'll pluck those chickens at the factories? Who will pick that lettuce in Cali for 10 dollars a day? None of us on this board would regardless of our employment or economic status.

Finally, the US's birthrate is not going to help us sustain a cheap labor force, so we have to import it.

 

[XZeroII]

Can't believe how screwed up this world is when illegal immigrants are treated like citizens

 

[stormbv]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Can't believe how screwed up this world is when illegal immigrants are treated like citizens

Ha! You won't be saying that when the Revolution comes. People can only take being mistreated for so long, but we just keep stomping their heads in.

Change gon' come, can I get a witness!

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Why is Mexico even involved in our policymaking decisions concerning our Immigration policies??? Fix your own country so people want to STAY THERE!



Mexico: Migrant Plan Needs Work

MEXICO CITY, Jan. 7, 2006

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/07/world/main592046.shtml
"If you have a friend living illegally in the States and Bush comes in and makes him legal, you are going to want to go too."
Manuel Espinosa, immigration lawyer


(AP) Mexico applauded U.S. President George W. Bush's plan to grant legal status to foreigners working in the United States, but said the proposal won't do enough to protect millions of Mexicans living illegally in America.

Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez called the White House's proposal "the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end" of the immigration debate. He said authorities in Mexico and the United States would "now have to work out the final details."

Announced by President Bush in Washington on Wednesday, the plan would create a temporary worker program for illegal migrants now in the United States and those in other countries who have been offered employment in America.

Bush said that, if enacted by Congress, his proposal would provide a more compassionate system for migrants who now live in the shadows of U.S. society.

At a Mexico City news conference, Derbez called the proposal "a recognition of the contribution that migrants make to the economic and social rhythm of" the United States. But he said Mexico wouldn't be satisfied until U.S. immigration policy better guaranteed the protection of the basic human rights of millions of undocumented Mexicans living in America.

"We will continue working until we have obtained what we have really always looked for and that is a program that is all-encompassing," he said.

We already live in America, you idiotic clown...... the country wasn't moved to Europe the last time I checked the map......

If you read well, one of the very basic objectives is the protection and RESPECT of human rights...... the parrots claiming "land of freedom" are the ones who treat those looking for a job worse that TRULY dangerous criminals..... Yes, they are doing something illegal, but there are degrees of severity in the illegal actions... and staying in a country that is not yours cannot remotely compare to an assassin or pedophile.....

Any president of ANY country will demand RESPECT to the BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS...... One of them is being treated like people!


Ah, we try to make our country better..... but you are too idiot to even try to understand all the factors involved.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: dahunan
Why is Mexico even involved in our policymaking decisions concerning our Immigration policies??? Fix your own country so people want to STAY THERE!



Mexico: Migrant Plan Needs Work

MEXICO CITY, Jan. 7, 2006

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/07/world/main592046.shtml
"If you have a friend living illegally in the States and Bush comes in and makes him legal, you are going to want to go too."
Manuel Espinosa, immigration lawyer


(AP) Mexico applauded U.S. President George W. Bush's plan to grant legal status to foreigners working in the United States, but said the proposal won't do enough to protect millions of Mexicans living illegally in America.

Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez called the White House's proposal "the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end" of the immigration debate. He said authorities in Mexico and the United States would "now have to work out the final details."

Announced by President Bush in Washington on Wednesday, the plan would create a temporary worker program for illegal migrants now in the United States and those in other countries who have been offered employment in America.

Bush said that, if enacted by Congress, his proposal would provide a more compassionate system for migrants who now live in the shadows of U.S. society.

At a Mexico City news conference, Derbez called the proposal "a recognition of the contribution that migrants make to the economic and social rhythm of" the United States. But he said Mexico wouldn't be satisfied until U.S. immigration policy better guaranteed the protection of the basic human rights of millions of undocumented Mexicans living in America.

"We will continue working until we have obtained what we have really always looked for and that is a program that is all-encompassing," he said.

We already live in America, you idiotic clown...... the country wasn't moved to Europe the last time I checked the map......

If you read well, one of the very basic objectives is the protection and RESPECT of human rights...... the parrots claiming "land of freedom" are the ones who treat those looking for a job worse that TRULY dangerous criminals..... Yes, they are doing something illegal, but there are degrees of severity in the illegal actions... and staying in a country that is not yours cannot remotely compare to an assassin or pedophile.....

Any president of ANY country will demand RESPECT to the BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS...... One of them is being treated like people!


Ah, we try to make our country better..... but you are too idiot to even try to understand all the factors involved.

Illegal immigrants have more than basic human rights here. The privilege of driving is not a a human right. What right are you saying we haven't been providing?

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: MillIllegal immigrants have more than basic human rights here. The privilege of driving is not a a human right. What right are you saying we haven't been providing?

- How about being shooted as entertainment by some KKK-like ranch owners?
- How about being pursued WORSE than criminals by the police corps?
- How about the huge discrimination and treatment?

I said "yes, they are doing something wrong" but been beaten and abused just because they don't have legal rights is just not correct!

 

[KEV1N]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: MillIllegal immigrants have more than basic human rights here. The privilege of driving is not a a human right. What right are you saying we haven't been providing?

- How about being shooted as entertainment by some KKK-like ranch owners?
- How about being pursued WORSE than criminals by the police corps?
- How about the huge discrimination and treatment?

I said "yes, they are doing something wrong" but been beaten and abused just because they don't have legal rights is just not correct!

If it's worse here than it is in Mexico, then why don't they go home?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mill
The idea here is that workers in the US think certain types of work are beneath them. Ever wonder why dmcowen bitches about not having a job, but every Walmart and Fast Food place is hiring? That work is beneath him. So is doing landscaping, janitorial work, and other stuff. I'm not going to act like I want to do the stuff either, but all of these immigrants are willing to do it. If they don't then who will? Who'll pluck those chickens at the factories? Who will pick that lettuce in Cali for 10 dollars a day? None of us on this board would regardless of our employment or economic status.

Finally, the US's birthrate is not going to help us sustain a cheap labor force, so we have to import it.

You think you know so much. How do you think I have been barely surviving?

RiverElan Landscaping

Besides for my own yards, I've even worked with Juan Alexander Landscaping, yep one of the Hispanic King Pins of Landscaping around here.

You should ask before spouting off something that has zero credibility.

Also for the most part the Chicken de-feathering is automated. The Chickens hanging by their feet after they have already been through an electrified tank of water then go into a steam tank where the feathers literally fall out from the intense steam blast.

and what is this talk of a cheap labor force when all of the AT Experts have clearly said that wages are rising to highest levels ever and rising everyday.

The only thing I haven't yet is either flip burgers at McD's or wash the floors in Walmart but the illegals were just recently caught doing that and now the President is making them legal for Walmart so they can go right back to work again.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: MillIllegal immigrants have more than basic human rights here. The privilege of driving is not a a human right. What right are you saying we haven't been providing?

- How about being shooted as entertainment by some KKK-like ranch owners?
- How about being pursued WORSE than criminals by the police corps?
- How about the huge discrimination and treatment?

I said "yes, they are doing something wrong" but been beaten and abused just because they don't have legal rights is just not correct!

That's laughable at best that you over-exaggerate and dramatize things. Is dmcowen your brother?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mill
The idea here is that workers in the US think certain types of work are beneath them. Ever wonder why dmcowen bitches about not having a job, but every Walmart and Fast Food place is hiring? That work is beneath him. So is doing landscaping, janitorial work, and other stuff. I'm not going to act like I want to do the stuff either, but all of these immigrants are willing to do it. If they don't then who will? Who'll pluck those chickens at the factories? Who will pick that lettuce in Cali for 10 dollars a day? None of us on this board would regardless of our employment or economic status.

Finally, the US's birthrate is not going to help us sustain a cheap labor force, so we have to import it.

You think you know so much. How do you think I have been barely surviving?

RiverElan Landscaping

Besides for my own yards, I've even worked with Juan Alexander Landscaping, yep one of the Hispanic King Pins of Landscaping around here.

You should ask before spouting off something that has zero credibility.

Also for the most part the Chicken de-feathering is automated. The Chickens hanging by their feet after they have already been through an electrified tank of water then go into a steam tank where the feathers literally fall out from the intense steam blast.

and what is this talk of a cheap labor force when all of the AT Experts have clearly said that wages are rising to highest levels ever and rising everyday.

The only thing I haven't yet is either flip burgers at McD's or wash the floors in Walmart but the illegals were just recently caught doing that and now the President is making them legal for Walmart so they can go right back to work again.

So then you're not unemployed then?

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: KEV1N

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: MillIllegal immigrants have more than basic human rights here. The privilege of driving is not a a human right. What right are you saying we haven't been providing?

- How about being shooted as entertainment by some KKK-like ranch owners?
- How about being pursued WORSE than criminals by the police corps?
- How about the huge discrimination and treatment?

I said "yes, they are doing something wrong" but been beaten and abused just because they don't have legal rights is just not correct!

If it's worse here than it is in Mexico, then why don't they go home?

They do, they come home after a few months when thay have enough money...... then, repeat the cycle. Not all of them, some are attracted to easy money, but a great percentage do.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mill
The idea here is that workers in the US think certain types of work are beneath them. Ever wonder why dmcowen bitches about not having a job, but every Walmart and Fast Food place is hiring? That work is beneath him. So is doing landscaping, janitorial work, and other stuff. I'm not going to act like I want to do the stuff either, but all of these immigrants are willing to do it. If they don't then who will? Who'll pluck those chickens at the factories? Who will pick that lettuce in Cali for 10 dollars a day? None of us on this board would regardless of our employment or economic status.

Finally, the US's birthrate is not going to help us sustain a cheap labor force, so we have to import it.

You think you know so much. How do you think I have been barely surviving?

RiverElan Landscaping

Besides for my own yards, I've even worked with Juan Alexander Landscaping, yep one of the Hispanic King Pins of Landscaping around here.

You should ask before spouting off something that has zero credibility.

Also for the most part the Chicken de-feathering is automated. The Chickens hanging by their feet after they have already been through an electrified tank of water then go into a steam tank where the feathers literally fall out from the intense steam blast.

and what is this talk of a cheap labor force when all of the AT Experts have clearly said that wages are rising to highest levels ever and rising everyday.

The only thing I haven't yet is either flip burgers at McD's or wash the floors in Walmart but the illegals were just recently caught doing that and now the President is making them legal for Walmart so they can go right back to work again.

So then you're not unemployed then?

It used to be called "Underemployed" but now it is called being paid the highest wages ever even though still can't pay the bills.