Mets Official Offseason Blunders Thread

[HamSupLo]

the new Mo Vaughn

 

[SP33Demon]

Bwahahahaha how do you say RIPPED OFF in Dominican slang? Poor Met fans!

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: HamSupLo
the new Mo Vaughn

Except a whole lot skinnier.
Mo was 'ahem' a BIG boy on the Mets.

Hey, it's not like Pedro has a torn labrum or anything...

 

[isasir]

Why exactly did the Mets not keep Leiter?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bwahahahaha how do you say RIPPED OFF in Dominican slang? Poor Met fans!

Mets get ripped off and Boston loses a very good pitcher... no problems here

 

[MrDingleDangle]

hmm this has a chance to rank up there with some of the all time Mets blunders...the top 2 i can think of-
Making Bobby Bonilla the highest paid player in baseball when we signed him
trading for Mo Vaughn
signign Pedro for 4 years??????

 

[Mojoed]

I'm sad to see Pedro go to the Mets, can't say I blame him though. Millions of extra dollars trumps team loyalty most of the time.

 

[isasir]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
hmm this has a chance to rank up there with some of the all time Mets blunders...the top 2 i can think of-
Making Bobby Bonilla the highest paid player in baseball when we signed him
trading for Mo Vaughn
signign Pedro for 4 years??????

Trading Scott Kazmir
Trading for Roberto Alomar wasn't all that hot either

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
hmm this has a chance to rank up there with some of the all time Mets blunders...the top 2 i can think of-
Making Bobby Bonilla the highest paid player in baseball when we signed him
trading for Mo Vaughn
signign Pedro for 4 years??????

Trading Scott Kazmir
Trading for Roberto Alomar wasn't all that hot either

yeah, but the alomar one wasnt that bad, because didnt lose much and no one could possibly see that coming

I live in los angeles now and before the Mo Vaughn trade everyone on the sports radio out here was saying how crazy any team would have to be to trade for Mo

yeah, the Scott Kazmir is up there too, but will probably take a little time before it can be established that it was horrid (once kazmir becomes a premier starter)

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: raildogg
I miss the days of Mets being anywhere near good -- last was in 2000, when they were beaten by the Yankees. Heh. You remember Paul O'Neill's 12 pitch at bat? oh man do i miss that guy

I dont like the Mets, sometimes hate em, but you have to feel sorry for them a bit.

Bring back Bobby V!!!!

I remember Paul O'Neill ... he was the biggest cry baby I've ever seen.

Paul O'Neill was a winner.
5 rings.

You can also say he was a huge competitor, but it doesn't hide the fact that he whined about every other pitch.

showed you he truly cared about winning. If i were Steinbrenner I would've given O'Neill a 2 year contract of 30 million. Just his aura makes a team that much better.

 

[Ranger X]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
yeah, the Scott Kazmir is up there too, but will probably take a little time before it can be established that it was horrid (once kazmir becomes a premier starter)

The Kazmir trade was more than just a blunder. The Mets traded him for a walking machine, Victor Zambroken.

Hey at least the Mets didn't screw up as bad as the Padres a season ago when they traded 2 studs to the Pirates for an over-the-hill veteran (Oliver Perez and Jason Bay for Brian Giles).

EDIT: BTW, where did you get the idea that people in the west coast wanted to keep Mo Vaughn? He had a bad attitude and he was always injured. The Angels saw his injury plagued season from a mile away and got rid of him while his value was still high.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
yeah...while I do think Pedro will do better in Shea and in the National league...they need a young team, not more old veterans

also rumors on espn.com that the mets are trying to trade for manny rameriz...what we trying to play with last years red sox?

No.. what Omar is trying to do is bring his dominican mafia over to Shea to take over NYC. He will bring in Pedro, Manny, Sosa, Alou and Cabrera. oh lord I hope it isnt true.. please omar...

He did promise to keep Kaz at 2B.

well accourding to the Post today he is shopping Kaz around...

nice to give a guy 1 year and then assume he will be a bust and ship him off for nothing

I read that he was being shopped around yesterday.. then found a contradicting article sighting Omar basically said it's not fair to Kaz to have that on him... to trade him away so soon after coming overseas for an opportunity... so he wants him to stay put... the rumors are just that. I remember the article also quoting him saying he knows Kaz is better than what he showed last year.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: Ranger X

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
yeah, the Scott Kazmir is up there too, but will probably take a little time before it can be established that it was horrid (once kazmir becomes a premier starter)

The Kazmir trade was more than just a blunder. The Mets traded him for a walking machine, Victor Zambroken.

Hey at least the Mets didn't screw up as bad as the Padres a season ago when they traded 2 studs to the Pirates for an over-the-hill veteran (Oliver Perez and Jason Bay for Brian Giles).

EDIT: BTW, where did you get the idea that people in the west coast wanted to keep Mo Vaughn? He had a bad attitude and he was always injured. The Angels saw his injury plagued season from a mile away and got rid of him while his value was still high.

i never said people in Cali wanted him, but everyone here thought any team would be crazy to trade for them...meaning they thought he was so bad that they couldnt imagine anyone wanting him

 

[rh71]

I'm not one for hype, but I don't see where everyone is easily saying he's done.

In the final year of this contract, Martinez will be 37, an age at which Roger Clemens was just warming up. And look at the current fuss still being made over Randy Johnson, a 41-year-old.

Don't buy totally into skeptics who make Martinez sound like he's held together by superglue that could dry up any minute. You listened all September to how Pedro had lost it, then flipped to the final season statistics to find him second in the American League with 227 strikeouts (in 217 innings) and tied for sixth with 16 wins.

Then he went out in Game 3 of the World Series to shut out the Cardinals on three hits for seven innings.

It sure is surprising he doesn't need a cane to get to the mound.

Yes, it's true that his 3.90 ERA last season was nearly a run and a half higher than his prior career figure. But the occasional atrocious outing distorted that number. Thirty-three earned runs in 30 1/3 innings came in five starts against Baltimore and the Yankees.

Know what that means? That he was more than good for 28 other starts (2.94), and that he should be glad to be out of those teams' division.

The article went on to say:

The Red Sox were 78-84 and near the American League East cellar the season before Martinez's arrival, and he has since been a principal warrior (and talker) in Boston's escalating rivalry with the Yankees.

The Mets may look like bottom-dwellers now... but [cliche] one guy apparently can make a difference.[/cliche] I wasn't for this in the beginning ... gambling all this on one guy on a dreadful team... but now I'm not so sure I'm still shaking my head. A good core of starters... some young guys breaking out... Omar's probably not done... how about winning the division ? I could go for that.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: rh71
I'm not one for hype, but I don't see where everyone is easily saying he's done.

In the final year of this contract, Martinez will be 37, an age at which Roger Clemens was just warming up. And look at the current fuss still being made over Randy Johnson, a 41-year-old.

Don't buy totally into skeptics who make Martinez sound like he's held together by superglue that could dry up any minute. You listened all September to how Pedro had lost it, then flipped to the final season statistics to find him second in the American League with 227 strikeouts (in 217 innings) and tied for sixth with 16 wins.

Then he went out in Game 3 of the World Series to shut out the Cardinals on three hits for seven innings.

It sure is surprising he doesn't need a cane to get to the mound.

Yes, it's true that his 3.90 ERA last season was nearly a run and a half higher than his prior career figure. But the occasional atrocious outing distorted that number. Thirty-three earned runs in 30 1/3 innings came in five starts against Baltimore and the Yankees.

Know what that means? That he was more than good for 28 other starts (2.94), and that he should be glad to be out of those teams' division.

The article went on to say:

The Red Sox were 78-84 and near the American League East cellar the season before Martinez's arrival, and he has since been a principal warrior (and talker) in Boston's escalating rivalry with the Yankees.

The Mets may look like bottom-dwellers now... but [cliche] one guy apparently can make a difference.[/cliche] I wasn't for this in the beginning ... gambling all this on one guy on a dreadful team... but now I'm not so sure I'm still shaking my head. A good core of starters... some young guys breaking out... Omar's probably not done... how about winning the division ? I could go for that.

i agree that this could turn out good, im just worried about all this time and money spent on 1 player when they sitll dont need someone to play 1B, OF, relief pitching...and who knows how Piazza will do back behind the plate everyday

if they can also take care of all those problems then I wont have a problem with pedro signing

i just think this team is more then 1 player away from being good

 

[rh71]

Victor Diaz will play 1B. Or they can continue the RF project with him.

It's a mixed message... you have a guy in his twilight amongst so many young guys who have good potential to become solid everyday players... is he trying to win it now or build it now ? Maybe he'll decide based on who else he can get in the offseason. Maybe he just wanted to give Pedro a nice Christmas gift regardless.

 

[TheAudit]

Mangos and midgets in Queens!

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: TheAudit
Mangos and midgets in Queens!

lmao... Pedro can buy all the mango trees in Dom Rep now!

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: TheAudit
Mangos and midgets in Queens!

Pedro, Nelson de la Rosa, Mangos and Anna Benson = A season of hilarity in Flushing ... I expect plenty of entertainment NOT pertaining to on field activities in the land of Wilpon. I can't wait.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
hmm this has a chance to rank up there with some of the all time Mets blunders...the top 2 i can think of-
Making Bobby Bonilla the highest paid player in baseball when we signed him
trading for Mo Vaughn
signign Pedro for 4 years??????

Trading Scott Kazmir
Trading for Roberto Alomar wasn't all that hot either

i won't accept anyone talking about the alomar trade unless they can show me that they felt that way before the trade.

the mo vaughn trade was an obvious one. the kazmir trade didn't make sense.

at the time the alomar trade was a brilliant one. no one knew he would turn out to be the dude that he was.

 

[raystorm]

Trading for Alomar was pure brilliance. It was a great trade that gave the Mets a high quality player coming out from another great year and was running straight for the Hall of Fame.

Next thing you know he puts on a Mets uniform and stunk up the joint. Who would have EVER predicted such a drop of quality from Alomar??

 

[isasir]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
hmm this has a chance to rank up there with some of the all time Mets blunders...the top 2 i can think of-
Making Bobby Bonilla the highest paid player in baseball when we signed him
trading for Mo Vaughn
signign Pedro for 4 years??????

Trading Scott Kazmir
Trading for Roberto Alomar wasn't all that hot either

i won't accept anyone talking about the alomar trade unless they can show me that they felt that way before the trade.

the mo vaughn trade was an obvious one. the kazmir trade didn't make sense.

at the time the alomar trade was a brilliant one. no one knew he would turn out to be the dude that he was.

You're right. I can't argue with you regarding Alomar and what we thought we were getting. It still turned out to be a bad deal though after the fact.

 

[MechJinx]

There's something about the Mets organization that seems to really mess players up. Alomar is a perfect example. Another example is Vince Coleman. That guy played like a stud in Stl and tore up the bases. He comes to NY and plays like a spud. How about Jefferies. I know he was never really an all-star, but once he left NY, he played much better. Heck, I remember the year he played in Stl, he hit like .330+. I'm sure there are all sorts of players that can be used in this example. I don't know what it is that throws these players into funks, but it is sure sad to watch baseball games with my friends and say, no matter which game I'm watching, "He's a former Met, that guy is a former Met" and they are playing awesome. I've said it before, I'll say it again, Mets management makes it very hard to be a Mets fan!!

I'm excited for Pedro. But, I'm also worried. Is he gonna flop like Alomar?????

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: MechJinx
There's something about the Mets organization that seems to really mess players up. Alomar is a perfect example. Another example is Vince Coleman. That guy played like a stud in Stl and tore up the bases. He comes to NY and plays like a spud. How about Jefferies. I know he was never really an all-star, but once he left NY, he played much better. Heck, I remember the year he played in Stl, he hit like .330+. I'm sure there are all sorts of players that can be used in this example. I don't know what it is that throws these players into funks, but it is sure sad to watch baseball games with my friends and say, no matter which game I'm watching, "He's a former Met, that guy is a former Met" and they are playing awesome. I've said it before, I'll say it again, Mets management makes it very hard to be a Mets fan!!

I'm excited for Pedro. But, I'm also worried. Is he gonna flop like Alomar?????

how about glavine? had he stayed with the braves, he'd have at least 12 to 15 more wins.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
hmm this has a chance to rank up there with some of the all time Mets blunders...the top 2 i can think of-
Making Bobby Bonilla the highest paid player in baseball when we signed him
trading for Mo Vaughn
signign Pedro for 4 years??????

Trading Scott Kazmir
Trading for Roberto Alomar wasn't all that hot either

i won't accept anyone talking about the alomar trade unless they can show me that they felt that way before the trade.

the mo vaughn trade was an obvious one. the kazmir trade didn't make sense.

at the time the alomar trade was a brilliant one. no one knew he would turn out to be the dude that he was.

You're right. I can't argue with you regarding Alomar and what we thought we were getting. It still turned out to be a bad deal though after the fact.

yup, the point was, with Mo Vaughn or Scott Kazmir you can blame management, with Alomar you can only blame Alomar, management did a good job getting him.