Mets Official Offseason Blunders Thread

[marleymarl]

Man...I'm embarassed to be a Met's fan....sheesh...WTF?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
hmm this has a chance to rank up there with some of the all time Mets blunders...the top 2 i can think of-
Making Bobby Bonilla the highest paid player in baseball when we signed him
trading for Mo Vaughn
signign Pedro for 4 years??????

Trading Scott Kazmir
Trading for Roberto Alomar wasn't all that hot either

i won't accept anyone talking about the alomar trade unless they can show me that they felt that way before the trade.

the mo vaughn trade was an obvious one. the kazmir trade didn't make sense.

at the time the alomar trade was a brilliant one. no one knew he would turn out to be the dude that he was.

Yup..the Alomar trade was absolutely fantastic at the time it was made. It was a brilliant move, even though neither team ended up doing anything with the players they received.

And the Kazmir trade was horrible, no matter what happens. If he blows out his elbow tomorrow then it was still a bad trade.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: isasir
Why exactly did the Mets not keep Leiter? 😕

Not completely sure, but his peripherals sucked and indicate that he was extremely lucky and would be very lucky to even duplicate his season ERA again.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: isasir
Why exactly did the Mets not keep Leiter? 😕

Not completely sure, but his peripherals sucked and indicate that he was extremely lucky and would be very lucky to even duplicate his season ERA again.

I remember hearing something about the Wilpons and other management wanting Leiter back but Omar wanted him gone, just like he wanted Franco gone..etc. Guess they have too much influence in the clubhouse and talk too much or something.

by the way.. Martinez was wearing his usual #45, which was worn by Franco for what...10 seasons?

With Seattle signing Beltre and Sexson that means there is a chance of Delgado signing with the Mets.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: isasir
Why exactly did the Mets not keep Leiter? 😕

Not completely sure, but his peripherals sucked and indicate that he was extremely lucky and would be very lucky to even duplicate his season ERA again.

I remember hearing something about the Wilpons and other management wanting Leiter back but Omar wanted him gone, just like he wanted Franco gone..etc. Guess they have too much influence in the clubhouse and talk too much or something.

by the way.. Martinez was wearing his usual #45, which was worn by Franco for what...10 seasons?

With Seattle signing Beltre and Sexson that means there is a chance of Delgado signing with the Mets.

if i were Omar, i'd talk to the Red Sox about Floyd AND Piazza for Manny Ramirez. shed contract for the Mets and get back a good offensive player and the Red Sox could get rid of Manny's contract. plus the sox might actually want to sign piazza next season as a catcher/DH.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


if i were Omar, i'd talk to the Red Sox about Floyd AND Piazza for Manny Ramirez. shed contract for the Mets and get back a good offensive player and the Red Sox could get rid of Manny's contract. plus the sox might actually want to sign piazza next season as a catcher/DH.

eh..why the hell not.. Pedro, Nelson de la Rosa, Manny, Anna Benson..it'll be a party at Shea next season baby!

 

[chowmein]

manny's contract is a cap-buster, unless boston is willing to take some load off. I do not see this deal happening. Deladgo acq. might be more profitable. Met's OF isn't terrible. I hope we keep Hialdgo, Met's need a left batter out of Floyd as well. IMO i do not see piazza to be a great battery mate for pedro. Phillips calls a better game, and much better catcher defensive wise, same goes for Vance Wilson. Piazza for Posada!!!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


if i were Omar, i'd talk to the Red Sox about Floyd AND Piazza for Manny Ramirez. shed contract for the Mets and get back a good offensive player and the Red Sox could get rid of Manny's contract. plus the sox might actually want to sign piazza next season as a catcher/DH.

eh..why the hell not.. Pedro, Nelson de la Rosa, Manny, Anna Benson..it'll be a party at Shea next season baby!

you've already invested in Pedro, Piazza and Floyd aren't going to get you much, Manny dispite all of his problems is guaranteed Offense.

why not?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: chowmein
manny's contract is a cap-buster, unless boston is willing to take some load off. I do not see this deal happening. Deladgo acq. might be more profitable. Met's OF isn't terrible. I hope we keep Hialdgo, Met's need a left batter out of Floyd as well. IMO i do not see piazza to be a great battery mate for pedro. Phillips calls a better game, and much better catcher defensive wise, same goes for Vance Wilson. Piazza for Posada!!!

hidalgo is already gone i thought.

didn't he file for FA?

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


if i were Omar, i'd talk to the Red Sox about Floyd AND Piazza for Manny Ramirez. shed contract for the Mets and get back a good offensive player and the Red Sox could get rid of Manny's contract. plus the sox might actually want to sign piazza next season as a catcher/DH.

eh..why the hell not.. Pedro, Nelson de la Rosa, Manny, Anna Benson..it'll be a party at Shea next season baby!

you've already invested in Pedro, Piazza and Floyd aren't going to get you much, Manny dispite all of his problems is guaranteed Offense.

why not?

I'm not questioning what you say...Manny is a tremendous player and I would love for him to be a Met if management can get the financial stuff taken care of. Floyd is too injury prone and would better serve as a DH and I doubt Piazza will be much of a force next season. Maybe he'll be alot worse ..he looked lost last season.

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

hidalgo is already gone i thought.

didn't he file for FA?

Hidalgo signed with Texas (1 year deal)

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: isasir
Why exactly did the Mets not keep Leiter? 😕

Not completely sure, but his peripherals sucked and indicate that he was extremely lucky and would be very lucky to even duplicate his season ERA again.

I remember hearing something about the Wilpons and other management wanting Leiter back but Omar wanted him gone, just like he wanted Franco gone..etc. Guess they have too much influence in the clubhouse and talk too much or something.

by the way.. Martinez was wearing his usual #45, which was worn by Franco for what...10 seasons?

With Seattle signing Beltre and Sexson that means there is a chance of Delgado signing with the Mets.

if i were Omar, i'd talk to the Red Sox about Floyd AND Piazza for Manny Ramirez. shed contract for the Mets and get back a good offensive player and the Red Sox could get rid of Manny's contract. plus the sox might actually want to sign piazza next season as a catcher/DH.

Why would Boston ever do that deal, when they are going to resign Varitek, and have an overabundance of 1b/DH? Maybe Floyd and Kaz/or Glavine before the Renteria deal, but not now!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: isasir
Why exactly did the Mets not keep Leiter? 😕

Not completely sure, but his peripherals sucked and indicate that he was extremely lucky and would be very lucky to even duplicate his season ERA again.

I remember hearing something about the Wilpons and other management wanting Leiter back but Omar wanted him gone, just like he wanted Franco gone..etc. Guess they have too much influence in the clubhouse and talk too much or something.

by the way.. Martinez was wearing his usual #45, which was worn by Franco for what...10 seasons?

With Seattle signing Beltre and Sexson that means there is a chance of Delgado signing with the Mets.

if i were Omar, i'd talk to the Red Sox about Floyd AND Piazza for Manny Ramirez. shed contract for the Mets and get back a good offensive player and the Red Sox could get rid of Manny's contract. plus the sox might actually want to sign piazza next season as a catcher/DH.

Why would Boston ever do that deal, when they are going to resign Varitek, and have an overabundance of 1b/DH? Maybe Floyd and Kaz/or Glavine before the Renteria deal, but not now!

because the red sox want to get rid of manny's contract. with pedro gone and with no zambrano (most likely going to the yankees) and schilling not likely to start the season, why not write off this season and wait for next season. mb only trade manny for piazza then. with piazza's contract coming off next season, they will have some nice money to play with.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: isasir
Why exactly did the Mets not keep Leiter? 😕

Not completely sure, but his peripherals sucked and indicate that he was extremely lucky and would be very lucky to even duplicate his season ERA again.

I remember hearing something about the Wilpons and other management wanting Leiter back but Omar wanted him gone, just like he wanted Franco gone..etc. Guess they have too much influence in the clubhouse and talk too much or something.

by the way.. Martinez was wearing his usual #45, which was worn by Franco for what...10 seasons?

With Seattle signing Beltre and Sexson that means there is a chance of Delgado signing with the Mets.

if i were Omar, i'd talk to the Red Sox about Floyd AND Piazza for Manny Ramirez. shed contract for the Mets and get back a good offensive player and the Red Sox could get rid of Manny's contract. plus the sox might actually want to sign piazza next season as a catcher/DH.

Why would Boston ever do that deal, when they are going to resign Varitek, and have an overabundance of 1b/DH? Maybe Floyd and Kaz/or Glavine before the Renteria deal, but not now!

because the red sox want to get rid of manny's contract. with pedro gone and with no zambrano (most likely going to the yankees) and schilling not likely to start the season, why not write off this season and wait for next season. mb only trade manny for piazza then. with piazza's contract coming off next season, they will have some nice money to play with.

Like I said before, there is no room for Piazza anywhere. There is room for Floyd, but the only other option I see is to include a pitcher from that rotation to even it out. Also, if you think Boston is going to concede 2005 to NY after winning it all, you're crazy!

 

[MrDingleDangle]

well according to Insider The Mets are the high bider right now on Delgado offering 50-55 million over 4 years, about $10 million less then he wants, but more then the Orioles are offering and the mariners seem to be out of the running now and no word from the dodgers

meanwhile the Mets also plan on holding back and seeing what happens with the market, then if the price is right coming in at the end and overbidding everyone at the last second on Beltran

one can dream, one can dream

Reyes
Matsui
Delgado
Beltran
Piazza
Floyd
Wright
Cameron
Pedro

 

[isasir]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


if i were Omar, i'd talk to the Red Sox about Floyd AND Piazza for Manny Ramirez. shed contract for the Mets and get back a good offensive player and the Red Sox could get rid of Manny's contract. plus the sox might actually want to sign piazza next season as a catcher/DH.

eh..why the hell not.. Pedro, Nelson de la Rosa, Manny, Anna Benson..it'll be a party at Shea next season baby!

OK I know about Anna Benson (saw her pics in Maxim!), but who's Nelson de la Rosa?

 

[isasir]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: isasir
Why exactly did the Mets not keep Leiter? 😕

Not completely sure, but his peripherals sucked and indicate that he was extremely lucky and would be very lucky to even duplicate his season ERA again.

I remember hearing something about the Wilpons and other management wanting Leiter back but Omar wanted him gone, just like he wanted Franco gone..etc. Guess they have too much influence in the clubhouse and talk too much or something.

by the way.. Martinez was wearing his usual #45, which was worn by Franco for what...10 seasons?

With Seattle signing Beltre and Sexson that means there is a chance of Delgado signing with the Mets.

Hmm... weren't Franco and Leiter the people who didn't like Kazmir and thought he was being arrogant for *gasp* changing a radio station?

Omar's signing of Pedro seems to indicate that perhaps he realizes arrogance is what the Mets needs, and what's needed to survive in NY, especially on the stepchild Mets, and this is payback of sorts for losing Kazmir?

'course, Franco sucks anyways, but Leiter had a good ERA last season.

 

[geecee]

Delgado wouldn't be a bad move for the Mets, assuming the price is not too high.

Hey SP33Demon - How's it going? Question for you since you're a Red Sox fan. I'm assuming that Renteria's signing means Cabrera's not coming back?

 

[MrDingleDangle]

update:
Mets plan offering Beltran, near $100 million contract (Boras wants $119 over 7 years), this after 4 execs meet with him in puerto rico ....so far it seems the Yankees wont be a role in this as of yet (Steinbrenner asked his 'team' who would they rather Randy or Beltran if they had to replay the Sox...they all voted Randy

mets also hope to stay in puerto rico and meet with Delgado. The Orioles also plan on meet with him this week

could we get both carlos'?

 

[CHfan4ever]

I just dont understand why people go crazy like this after Beltran.

YES he hit 38 homers(he never hit 30 homers in any of the seasons he played before ),YES he his your 100 RBI guy per season.Yes he can steal 30-40 bases per season, but for god sake, hes not even a .300 hitter!!!!

He got wonderful Series i gotta admit, but he remain a .275 hitter.And 100 millions for a .275 hitter is a bad investment IMO.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: ifesfor
I just dont understand why people go crazy like this after Beltran.

YES he hit 38 homers(he never hit 30 homers in any of the seasons he played before ),YES he his your 100 RBI guy per season.Yes he can steal 30-40 bases per season, but for god sake, hes not even a .300 hitter!!!!

He got wonderful Series i gotta admit, but he remain a .275 hitter.And 100 millions for a .275 hitter is a bad investment IMO.

the Mets are going after him because for years now they have had one of the worst hitting outfields in the league (among other things)

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: ifesfor
I just dont understand why people go crazy like this after Beltran.

YES he hit 38 homers(he never hit 30 homers in any of the seasons he played before ),YES he his your 100 RBI guy per season.Yes he can steal 30-40 bases per season, but for god sake, hes not even a .300 hitter!!!!

He got wonderful Series i gotta admit, but he remain a .275 hitter.And 100 millions for a .275 hitter is a bad investment IMO.

if he were a right fielder or 1st baseman those would be bad numbers, but how many Center Fielders put up better numbers than Beltran, MB Andrew Jones and that's a big MAYBE there.

beltran is one of the best CFers in the game right now.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: geecee
Delgado wouldn't be a bad move for the Mets, assuming the price is not too high.

Hey SP33Demon - How's it going? Question for you since you're a Red Sox fan. I'm assuming that Renteria's signing means Cabrera's not coming back?

Hey geecee, you're correct that OC will be gone since Boston signed Renteria.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ifesfor
I just dont understand why people go crazy like this after Beltran.

YES he hit 38 homers(he never hit 30 homers in any of the seasons he played before ),YES he his your 100 RBI guy per season.Yes he can steal 30-40 bases per season, but for god sake, hes not even a .300 hitter!!!!

He got wonderful Series i gotta admit, but he remain a .275 hitter.And 100 millions for a .275 hitter is a bad investment IMO.

True, he's not putting up huge numbers but noone can deny that he will only get better, and his potential is unlimited. He is probably the next Barry Bonds (pre Juice era), if not already!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ifesfor
I just dont understand why people go crazy like this after Beltran.

YES he hit 38 homers(he never hit 30 homers in any of the seasons he played before ),YES he his your 100 RBI guy per season.Yes he can steal 30-40 bases per season, but for god sake, hes not even a .300 hitter!!!!

He got wonderful Series i gotta admit, but he remain a .275 hitter.And 100 millions for a .275 hitter is a bad investment IMO.

True, he's not putting up huge numbers but noone can deny that he will only get better, and his potential is unlimited. He is probably the next Barry Bonds (pre Juice era), if not already!

at the bat he could be a Bonds Pre Juice but Defensively hes better than bonds ever was.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ifesfor
I just dont understand why people go crazy like this after Beltran.

YES he hit 38 homers(he never hit 30 homers in any of the seasons he played before ),YES he his your 100 RBI guy per season.Yes he can steal 30-40 bases per season, but for god sake, hes not even a .300 hitter!!!!

He got wonderful Series i gotta admit, but he remain a .275 hitter.And 100 millions for a .275 hitter is a bad investment IMO.

True, he's not putting up huge numbers but noone can deny that he will only get better, and his potential is unlimited. He is probably the next Barry Bonds (pre Juice era), if not already!

at the bat he could be a Bonds Pre Juice but Defensively hes better than bonds ever was.

Yup, don't forget he's also fast like Bonds Pre Juice was, hence the stolen bases just like him. So add up all this, and you know why there's so much hype over Beltran ifesfor.