Mets have the stupidest ownership in the MLB.

[raystorm]

I don't have an big issue with the Benson trade as the Mets need pitching for the future and Benson said he would like to sign a contract with the Mets. Now...I totally forgot about Huber!!! WTF.... who the hell is gonna catch after next season???!! Phillips??? The man can't hit NOTHING now..he's fine defensively but he never gets on base and is slower than my grandma. I suppose a Wilson/Phillips catching tandem is fine for maybe 1 or 2 more season, but you can't give up a potentially good catcher. Just look at Estrada of the Braves. Phillies dump him for fat Millwood and now they are paying for it. Estrada is the Braves catcher for the next couple of years.

...and I'm SICK of Piazza. He kills rallies..he is swinging at everything and I swear he looks like he's either dead tired or just doesn't give a damn anymore. I'll miss Wigginton and hope he not only does well in Pittsburgh but that he also kills the Mets when they face the Pirates (former Mets have a nasty habit of being good against the Mets...ugh)

As for the Kazmir/Zambrano deal.... my goodness.. Now I heard that Kazmir can be prone to injuries and that he throws very hard for having such a small frame. ...boy... y'know.. I should expect something this stupid from the Mets. Why do I question it???!!! HOLY COW they are stupid.. and they are already DONE for the season.

D O N E

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: wnied
Mets have the stupidest ownership in the MLB

Nah that titles reserved for the Philadelphia Phillies.
~wnied~

nah, the mets have stupider ownership, the phillies have stupider managers. bowa isn't half the manager that howe is, and howe isn't that good either.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
David Wright has barely even been in the majors. Talk about a ridiculous comparison....LaRoche isn't exactly contributing much as a 1B anyways.

Sure, David Wright might end up going bad, but I don't think you are aware of how great of a prospect he is. Thank god the Mets didn't trade him.

It's not as if the Braves have never had a failed or overhyped prospect either.

of course, every team has, but the mets seem to specialize in failed prospects and bad FA signings.


hey, i'm a braves fan, it comes natural for me to dump on the mets.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: wnied
Mets have the stupidest ownership in the MLB

Nah that titles reserved for the Philadelphia Phillies.
~wnied~

nah, the mets have stupider ownership, the phillies have stupider managers. bowa isn't half the manager that howe is, and howe isn't that good either.

Not good?? Howe's an idiot. I guess I'm one of the few Bobby Valentine fans and never wanted him fired. Too bad the Mets didn't trade LOU PINELLA for Kazmir instead of Zambrano.

Can Howe show some damn emotion please...show some f'n guts.. AND PINCH HIT FOR JASON PHILLIPS IF ITS THE BOTTOM OF THE 9TH AND SMOLTZ IS PITCHING!! Give the team at least some chance however miniscule it may be.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raystorm
As for the Kazmir/Zambrano deal.... my goodness.. Now I heard that Kazmir can be prone to injuries and that he throws very hard for having such a small frame. ...boy... y'know.. I should expect something this stupid from the Mets. Why do I question it???!!! HOLY COW they are stupid.. and they are already DONE for the season.

D O N E

They are beyond stupid. They traded Kazmir for Zambrano!!!

I have a theory that they actually meant to trade for Carlos Zambrano of the Cubs instead of Victor Zambrano of the Devil Rays.

The ONLY way that the Mets can recover now, IMO, is if the payroll is significantly upped. I'm talking about a payroll of at least $100 million. They can do that and hopefully they do.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

nah, the mets have stupider ownership, the phillies have stupider managers. bowa isn't half the manager that howe is, and howe isn't that good either.

Ahh, you beat me to knocking on Bowa. By all accounts the Phillies have the roster to win the East this year. Bowa has the team wound up so tight though that they can't get anything right.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: raystorm
I don't have an big issue with the Benson trade as the Mets need pitching for the future and Benson said he would like to sign a contract with the Mets. Now...I totally forgot about Huber!!! WTF.... who the hell is gonna catch after next season???!! Phillips??? The man can't hit NOTHING now..he's fine defensively but he never gets on base and is slower than my grandma. I suppose a Wilson/Phillips catching tandem is fine for maybe 1 or 2 more season, but you can't give up a potentially good catcher. Just look at Estrada of the Braves. Phillies dump him for fat Millwood and now they are paying for it. Estrada is the Braves catcher for the next couple of years.

...and I'm SICK of Piazza. He kills rallies..he is swinging at everything and I swear he looks like he's either dead tired or just doesn't give a damn anymore. I'll miss Wigginton and hope he not only does well in Pittsburgh but that he also kills the Mets when they face the Pirates (former Mets have a nasty habit of being good against the Mets...ugh)

As for the Kazmir/Zambrano deal.... my goodness.. Now I heard that Kazmir can be prone to injuries and that he throws very hard for having such a small frame. ...boy... y'know.. I should expect something this stupid from the Mets. Why do I question it???!!! HOLY COW they are stupid.. and they are already DONE for the season.

D O N E

again, IF the season is D O N E, why trade for bensen now?? why not let him finish out the season, bring up a Peterson or Kazmir now and see how they do in the majors and then make a decision in the off season??

Huber and Ty would have had JUST as much if not more trade value in the off season as they do now.

it makes NO sense trading for bensen now, unless of course he gave them something in writing saying he would sign with them in the off season for less if they traded for him now (again, why would bensen do that?)

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
David Wright has barely even been in the majors. Talk about a ridiculous comparison....LaRoche isn't exactly contributing much as a 1B anyways.

Sure, David Wright might end up going bad, but I don't think you are aware of how great of a prospect he is. Thank god the Mets didn't trade him.

It's not as if the Braves have never had a failed or overhyped prospect either.

of course, every team has, but the mets seem to specialize in failed prospects and bad FA signings.


hey, i'm a braves fan, it comes natural for me to dump on the mets.

Well who are the failed prospects really? They've had injuries though (isringhausen, wilson, pulsipher who they abused like none other), but not that many very highly touted prospects that ended up as nothing. The ones that were highly touted were highly thought of by people that had no idea about the minor leagues. The problem with the Mets is that their farm system was horrible in the 90's and it was a great system until today.

When I say that Kazmir was an elite prospect, I say that with no bias.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
again, IF the season is D O N E, why trade for bensen now?? why not let him finish out the season, bring up a Peterson or Kazmir now and see how they do in the majors and then make a decision in the off season??

Probably because they think that they can make a run and they want to sign him long term. Benson has actually kind of said that he wouldn't mind signing a long term contract in New York if the Mets trade for him.

And they can always offer him arbitration and get a first round draft pick that would have ended up as more valuable than Peterson, IMO. Huber hurts though. The Mets really needed him.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I have a theory that they actually meant to trade for Carlos Zambrano of the Cubs instead of Victor Zambrano of the Devil Rays.

The ONLY way that the Mets can recover now, IMO, is if the payroll is significantly upped. I'm talking about a payroll of at least $100 million. They can do that and hopefully they do.

I don't doubt that Zambrano theory. Now..upping payroll?? for what.. they are done. They should trade Glavine for some good players. Maybe trade him to the Red Sox or some other other contender.

I like how some people say that Peterson can potentially fix Zambrano's control issues. Since when did Peterson become god??!! What the hell is he gonna do.. gimme a break. <sigh>

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
David Wright has barely even been in the majors. Talk about a ridiculous comparison....LaRoche isn't exactly contributing much as a 1B anyways.

Sure, David Wright might end up going bad, but I don't think you are aware of how great of a prospect he is. Thank god the Mets didn't trade him.

It's not as if the Braves have never had a failed or overhyped prospect either.

of course, every team has, but the mets seem to specialize in failed prospects and bad FA signings.


hey, i'm a braves fan, it comes natural for me to dump on the mets.

Well who are the failed prospects really? They've had injuries though (isringhausen, wilson, pulsipher who they abused like none other), but not that many very highly touted prospects that ended up as nothing. The ones that were highly touted were highly thought of by people that had no idea about the minor leagues. The problem with the Mets is that their farm system was horrible in the 90's and it was a great system until today.

When I say that Kazmir was an elite prospect, I say that with no bias.

well, i'll trust Piniella's judgement (i'm sure he had a say in the trade) more than the entire mets organization, so piniella thinks kasmir is better than Zambrano, then i believe it.

again, just goes to show how stupid mets management is.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I have a theory that they actually meant to trade for Carlos Zambrano of the Cubs instead of Victor Zambrano of the Devil Rays.

The ONLY way that the Mets can recover now, IMO, is if the payroll is significantly upped. I'm talking about a payroll of at least $100 million. They can do that and hopefully they do.

I don't doubt that Zambrano theory. Now..upping payroll?? for what.. they are done. They should trade Glavine for some good players. Maybe trade him to the Red Sox or some other other contender.

I like how some people say that Peterson can potentially fix Zambrano's control issues. Since when did Peterson become god??!! What the hell is he gonna do.. gimme a break. <sigh>

braves fans feel like our pitching coach can fix anyone.

oh wait, looking at the braves pitching staff you have to give leo mazzone some credit i think.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Huber hurts though. The Mets really needed him.

How dare you.. they have the immortal Jason Phillips with his glasses of POWAH. Don't forget Wilson too!!... yes.. the tandem of Wilson Phillips will be the catching sensation of MLB. I'm sure Huber will be a bust.. yea...really... DAMN METS!!! ARRGGHHHH

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

braves fans feel like our pitching coach can fix anyone.

oh wait, looking at the braves pitching staff you have to give leo mazzone some credit i think.

Certainly I'll give Mazzone some credit. I mean really.. who the hell is Jared Wright??!! John Thomson is actually good??!! Whaaa??? Plus he know how to rock the dugout bench.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I have a theory that they actually meant to trade for Carlos Zambrano of the Cubs instead of Victor Zambrano of the Devil Rays.

The ONLY way that the Mets can recover now, IMO, is if the payroll is significantly upped. I'm talking about a payroll of at least $100 million. They can do that and hopefully they do.

I don't doubt that Zambrano theory. Now..upping payroll?? for what.. they are done. They should trade Glavine for some good players. Maybe trade him to the Red Sox or some other other contender.

I like how some people say that Peterson can potentially fix Zambrano's control issues. Since when did Peterson become god??!! What the hell is he gonna do.. gimme a break. <sigh>

I'm saying that the only way that the Mets can recover this loss the next couple of seasons is increasing the payroll. OK, maybe I'm exaggerating...I mean they still have Petit in A+ tearing it up. He's putting up the statistically best season in the minors for a pitcher, but his 'stuff' isn't making people go crazy. I'm wary of him. They also have Humber in the draft and he'll be ready soon. So Kazmir could have been traded as the Mets have the prospects to replace him, but they traded him for JUNK.

If the Mets increase payroll next season, which is possible, then I suppose they could compete. We have to remember that the Mets really have a pretty low effective payroll for a NY team.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Huber hurts though. The Mets really needed him.

How dare you.. they have the immortal Jason Phillips with his glasses of POWAH. Don't forget Wilson too!!... yes.. the tandem of Wilson Phillips will be the catching sensation of MLB. I'm sure Huber will be a bust.. yea...really... DAMN METS!!! ARRGGHHHH

Yeah we didn't need Huber with the .400 OBP adn the .900+ OPS in the minors

I FEEL LIKE THROWING UP!!!!!!!!!!

It really sucks following the minor leagues and prospects closely and then watch half of them get traded away!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I have a theory that they actually meant to trade for Carlos Zambrano of the Cubs instead of Victor Zambrano of the Devil Rays.

The ONLY way that the Mets can recover now, IMO, is if the payroll is significantly upped. I'm talking about a payroll of at least $100 million. They can do that and hopefully they do.

I don't doubt that Zambrano theory. Now..upping payroll?? for what.. they are done. They should trade Glavine for some good players. Maybe trade him to the Red Sox or some other other contender.

I like how some people say that Peterson can potentially fix Zambrano's control issues. Since when did Peterson become god??!! What the hell is he gonna do.. gimme a break. <sigh>

I'm saying that the only way that the Mets can recover this loss the next couple of seasons is increasing the payroll. OK, maybe I'm exaggerating...I mean they still have Petit in A+ tearing it up. He's putting up the statistically best season in the minors for a pitcher, but his 'stuff' isn't making people go crazy. I'm wary of him. They also have Humber in the draft and he'll be ready soon. So Kazmir could have been traded as the Mets have the prospects to replace him, but they traded him for JUNK.

If the Mets increase payroll next season, which is possible, then I suppose they could compete. We have to remember that the Mets really have a pretty low effective payroll for a NY team.

if your a mets fan, doesn't it piss you off that they basically will end up spending MORE money than they would have had they just signed Vlad, whatever it took?

look at the season vlad is having you can't tell me that he isn't worth almost twice what he got.

 

[memo]

man, what the heck were the mets thinking. 8 games back in the WILD CARD and they are making these deals. I can see maybe going after Benson so they can try to lock him up, but I would have tried to get Zambrano with Wigginton and a prospect, not Kazmir though. Zambrano can't be a free agent till 07 and he can get 8+ K's a game. His ERA/WHIP is a little misleading with a crappy team and a small field in Florida.

edit: and why does benson have his own, pretty well managed web page? Since when do ball players have their own webpage?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
if your a mets fan, doesn't it piss you off that they basically will end up spending MORE money than they would have had they just signed Vlad, whatever it took?

look at the season vlad is having you can't tell me that he isn't worth almost twice what he got.

No, not really. If you're talking about signing Cameron+Matsui+Looper instead of Vladimir Guerrero, then I'm not too upset. I'm not even convinced that Vlad ever wanted to go to the Mets.

Matsui is overpaid, but he is also overpaid because of his star appeal in Japan. Him being on the Mets creates a whole new market for the team. Cameron is a good CF. I'm not sure what there is to complain about him. He was statistically the best defensive CF in baseball last season. Looper is OK, too, despite my concerns about him when he signed.

So if you're asking me if I would rather have had Matsui+Cameron+Looper or Vlad+Scrub CF (Jeff Duncan)+Scrub 2B (Danny Garcia)+Scrub Reliever, then no.

Superstars that sign for large contracts aren't really worth it sometimes. I would have been happy if the Mets signed Vlad along with the before mentioned trio, but not if they ONLY signed Vlad.

The Mets showed that they were being financially responsible. Right now they're showing that they're 'farm system' stupid with these trades UNLESS they're going for it all next season. That would require a significant increase in the payroll, IMO, which they can do.

 

[BruinEd03]

Originally posted by: jdiddy
Man have you seen Benson's wife??? That trade was worth it just for her shes gorgeous!!! http://www.annabenson.net/

whoa...can I trade for her instead of kris?

-Ed

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: BruinEd03

Originally posted by: jdiddy
Man have you seen Benson's wife??? That trade was worth it just for her shes gorgeous!!! http://www.annabenson.net/

whoa...can I trade for her instead of kris?

-Ed

My goodness... she's a goddess! :heart:

Maybe she is who Wilpon and Duquette had in mind when they said "Let's trade for Benson!"

 

[cliftonite]

I dont understand how you can trade a guy like kazmir. Zambrano would be good if he didnt average 12 walks a game

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: jdiddy
Man have you seen Benson's wife??? That trade was worth it just for her shes gorgeous!!! http://www.annabenson.net/

Strong point.

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
if your a mets fan, doesn't it piss you off that they basically will end up spending MORE money than they would have had they just signed Vlad, whatever it took?

look at the season vlad is having you can't tell me that he isn't worth almost twice what he got.

No, not really. If you're talking about signing Cameron+Matsui+Looper instead of Vladimir Guerrero, then I'm not too upset. I'm not even convinced that Vlad ever wanted to go to the Mets.

Matsui is overpaid, but he is also overpaid because of his star appeal in Japan. Him being on the Mets creates a whole new market for the team. Cameron is a good CF. I'm not sure what there is to complain about him. He was statistically the best defensive CF in baseball last season. Looper is OK, too, despite my concerns about him when he signed.

So if you're asking me if I would rather have had Matsui+Cameron+Looper or Vlad+Scrub CF (Jeff Duncan)+Scrub 2B (Danny Garcia)+Scrub Reliever, then no.

Superstars that sign for large contracts aren't really worth it sometimes. I would have been happy if the Mets signed Vlad along with the before mentioned trio, but not if they ONLY signed Vlad.

The Mets showed that they were being financially responsible. Right now they're showing that they're 'farm system' stupid with these trades UNLESS they're going for it all next season. That would require a significant increase in the payroll, IMO, which they can do.

Financially responsible... perhaps but their payroll is still high.
And the fans have shown what they think of this so-called plan. Have you seen the "crowds" at Shea? It is a dismal team.

 

[wkabel23]

Looks like getting Benson was the right move for the Mets