There is a difference between thinking one thing versus doing an act baed on that thought.
brandonb: There's probably been times where a person has lusted over a teenager, or their mom (according to Frued), or sister, their brother's wife, a friends wife, or something else which is not socially acceptable.
M: According to Freud? How about you? Do you feel these things? According to Freud, Hahahahaha.
Let us be clear. What is or is not socially acceptable has nothing to do with anything except the mores at a time and place. We can't tell from acceptability anything regarding ultimate truth. It was socially acceptable in Germany in the S to exterminate Jews.
B: To think it, there is nothing wrong with it. To act on it, there is something wrong with it.
M: That would depend on what the 'it' is, would it not? As I said, your opinion or the opinion of a group do not determine what is right, no? You are suggesting something without any proof that it is correct.
b: You can't say it's their biology, so it's ok. It probably is evolution to lust after a young pretty girl, even if she is underage. There are times where biology says you are horny and to find a woman, but if you just grabbed the first woman you walk by it would be considered rape.
M: Yes, exactly, just as you can't say it's their biology and it's not OK. Rape is wrong, not because it is biological or not, not because the drive is biological, but because it is a violation of the freedom of another person to choose whom to have sex with. The act is wrong and the reason is clear, logical, and universally true. There are no cultural exceptions here. Every person whose empathy functions and has not been damaged understands this. Rape, generally speaking, also, is not about sex, but self hate, proving oneself, acting out violence against others to compensate and pay back for wrongs committed against the peep as a child, usually. It is about inferiority, hidden feelings of inferiority, expressed as an urge to dominate, to prove the inferiority a lie, to magnify the sick ego.
b: You see, to think something and to act on it are two seperate things.
M: I have not claimed otherwise.
b: We are humans, not animals,
M: I find this distinction unnecessary. We are animals.
b: God made us to be above animals.
M: We evolved and we are above noting. These are all fantasies you have that you were taught. Our ethics springs from our capacity to empathize and the fact that life is love.
b: A gay person might think to have sex with another man, but it doesn't make it ok to act on it, even if today its socially acceptable.
M: Why. You are a bigot precisely because you believe this. It is your root assumption, but it is totally irrational, has no grounding in reality, and is based on traditions handed down. You are a bigot infection, you were turned into a bigot by other bigots. You can't give a single sound reason for this so called truth you believe in. It feels true only because you believe it. You are in fact totally wrong.
b: Remember 20 years ago, the person would be considered mentally ill. Going after a young girl who's consenting is no different than 2 gay people going at it, why is one wrong and the other isn't? It's just biology and it can't be helped, right?
M: Totally wrong. The rape of a girl is a violation of her rights. A homosexual rape would be just as wrong. Gay sex between willing adults, however, is not wrong. Nobody's rights are violated. This truth will always be true. Time is irrelevant.
b: Catholics consider it God's will to have a man and woman reproduce. Men have millions of sperm, woman has millions of eggs. It's easy to reproduce, it was God's intention to have us reproduce. A gay man or woman is going against God's will, and thats why its a sin.
M: Hehe, you know nothing about God's will but crap somebody told you. This is why you are a bigot. You believe in garbage passed down to you that makes absolutely no sense. The urge to have sex insured reproduction. There have been gays from the beginning of history and people are doing just fine. I totally reject your religious propaganda. I learned to think for myself.
b: If you agree or not, it doesn't matter, and calling Catholics bigots or jerks or whatever you want won't change anything.
M: We know that. You can tell a bigot, I can see easily that you are one, but you can't tell him much. A bigot is a person who is blind to his bigotry. You won't change unless you really want to. But you are a horses ass and you will always be one unless you do. You will never be safe from the fact that people who can see will see that you are a fool. And that's why you don't matter. You are on the losing side of truth. What you believe is false.
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