Merry Christmas and love from the Pope

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
That's awfully white of the pope to use Christmas to spread his message of intolerance. It's certainly what Jesus would do too. :roll:

Yes, the pope should instead preach moral relativism, since that's how he feels. It's always ironic that those who claim the pope is an ignorant bigot never even consider his statements before labeling him as such, thereby demonstrating that they are no better than they think he is.

Excuse me, but you live in a binary world where things either are, or they are not. So you tell me, is the pope a bigot for his intolerance of gay people, or is he not? That should be an easy question for you to answer.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Excuse me, but you live in a binary world where things either are, or they are not. So you tell me, is the pope a bigot for his intolerance of gay people, or is he not? That should be an easy question for you to answer.

Please show me where he is intolerant of any people, then I'll be able to answer that question the way you want. The only thing I see is him condemning specific actions, which happens to be his job. And let me apologize - obviously bringing logic and math into that other thread was too much for you. Sorry about that. But i do recognize a continuum of numbers between 0 and 1, even if you can't.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Please show me where he is intolerant of any people, then I'll be able to answer that question the way you want. The only thing I see is him condemning specific actions, which happens to be his job. And let me apologize - obviously bringing logic and math into that other thread was too much for you. Sorry about that. But i do recognize a continuum of numbers between 0 and 1, even if you can't.

He's claiming that the queers will be the end of human kind...

I guess that makes him, by omission, not intolerant of the homogays.

You really blew my mind there with your math and logic talk, and the whole number range between 0 and 1. I haven't had my shit blown away this much since I first saw the Space Odyssey. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? Also, do you wear a pony-tail?

 

[PokerGuy]

Excellent, I agree with the Pope.

:thumbsup:

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy

He is the representative for all of christianity, by saying this he is saying all devout christians hate gays.

-Edit- Oh and I now have now lost the last bit of respect I had for christianity as a religion.

I am the representative for all of America and you're wrong.

Oh wait...

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: jonks
Hard to take a guy seriously who's dressed like such a i love you.

Shoes to die for.

That fluffy thing around his neck is fierce. And look at those cute little boys in the chair: one for each cheek.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: fallout man
He's claiming that the queers will be the end of human kind...

I guess that makes him, by omission, not intolerant of the homogays.

Ah, the good ol' fashioned strawman, eh? I guess if you can't read, make something up and stick to it despite the evidence.

You really blew my mind there with your math and logic talk, and the whole number range between 0 and 1. I haven't had my shit blown away this much since I first saw the Space Odyssey. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? Also, do you wear a pony-tail?

Not so much on the pony tail. But yes, I do write. My writings are available in the scientific literature. Some of them are available online for your convenience.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: jonks
Hard to take a guy seriously who's dressed like such a i love you.

No need for name calling!!
Even the Pope is entitled to his opinion!!

Even if I blatantly disagree.....he is still entitled!
You would not believe how many Catholics also disagree with the Pope!!

As my friend Moonbeam said --

Bigotry and ignorance are found even in high places. Learn to question authority. Be careful of fundamentalist thinking, where because some respected authority or document says something, you, yourself, are trapped by the same ignorance of those who propounded the ideas in the first place. Think for yourself. The rain forest if full of gay animals ..

Merry Christmas!!

Please, the man is evil. Bigotry and not doing anything about all of his pedophile priests makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Ah, the good ol' fashioned strawman, eh? I guess if you can't read, make something up and stick to it despite the evidence.

Ah, the good ol' internet forum troll condescendence, eh? All complete with "strawman" mention and "cookie" emoticons. I feel so warm inside.

Not so much on the pony tail. But yes, I do write. My writings are available in the scientific literature. Some of them are available online for your convenience.

[/quote]

"I'm a regular guy just like you--I put my pants on one leg at a time... But when I'm done putting my pants on, I write Nature papers."

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: fallout man
Ah, the good ol' internet forum troll condescendence, eh? All complete with "strawman" mention and "cookie" emoticons. I feel so warm inside.

I see you get that a lot. Maybe you should read up on what a strawman is so that you can avoid it in the future.

"I'm a regular guy just like you--I put my pants on one leg at a time... But when I'm done putting my pants on, I write Nature papers."

Yep, pretty much.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: fallout man
Ah, the good ol' internet forum troll condescendence, eh? All complete with "strawman" mention and "cookie" emoticons. I feel so warm inside.

I see you get that a lot. Maybe you should read up on what a strawman is so that you can avoid it in the future.

"I'm a regular guy just like you--I put my pants on one leg at a time... But when I'm done putting my pants on, I write Nature papers."

Yep, pretty much.

Oh brother... :roll:

 

[SneakyStuff]

Not really surprising, progressive thinking isn't exactly synonymous with the Vatican. I lol'd when I read the title of the article though :laugh:.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Oh wow this thread took a LOLturn.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Not so much on the pony tail. But yes, I do write. My writings are available in the scientific literature. Some of them are available online for your convenience.

Yes, "An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie" was one of the most groundbreaking scientific papers of 2008.

(I kid, I kid...I actually agree with your point that the statement wasn't in and of itself bigotry, although I don't agree with the Pope's stance that homosexuality is some sort of threat.)

 

[ScottyB]

So, did he just recycle some of the literature from when he was a Nazi and replace "Jews" with "Gays"?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
So, did he just recycle some of the literature from when he was a Nazi and replace "Jews" with "Gays"?

Willful ignorance is not generally among any list of virtues I've ever seen. I'd keep it on the down low.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: jagec
(I kid, I kid...I actually agree with your point that the statement wasn't in and of itself bigotry, although I don't agree with the Pope's stance that homosexuality is some sort of threat.)

The pope's job is to save souls. He is saying that gay sex is immoral and, therefore, puts the soul of the "perpetrator" at risk. Thus, the gay person is threatened by his actions if he doesn't keep them in check. The pope would say the same thing about unmarried straight people if they were to have sex, but no one wants to write a news story about that, do they? It's easier to pick a controversial topic, take the statements out of context of its broader philosophical basis, and make him look like a bigoted idiot than it is to truly consider the merits of his positions. I'm not saying you're doing this, but the media (and certainly just about everyone else in this thread) certainly are.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: jagec
(I kid, I kid...I actually agree with your point that the statement wasn't in and of itself bigotry, although I don't agree with the Pope's stance that homosexuality is some sort of threat.)

The pope's job is to save souls. He is saying that gay sex is immoral and, therefore, puts the soul of the "perpetrator" at risk. Thus, the gay person is threatened by his actions if he doesn't keep them in check. The pope would say the same thing about unmarried straight people if they were to have sex, but no one wants to write a news story about that, do they? It's easier to pick a controversial topic, take the statements out of context of its broader philosophical basis, and make him look like a bigoted idiot than it is to truly consider the merits of his positions. I'm not saying you're doing this, but the media (and certainly just about everyone else in this thread) certainly are.

But this is exactly why he is hideous. He has opinions about saving souls that are absurd. His opinions are a disease, a plague, a hate and denial of reality, based on textual belief. He is just propagating an ancient and sick bigotry. He isn't saving souls, he is using a position of authority to push a sick agenda, spreading a blight and contagion among humanity. He is a monster and an evil hiding behind the claim that he is good. What he believes is life destroying. One can't hold the opinion there is a God and logically argue that homosexuality is a choice rather than a characteristic that was God given. Any even remotely objective person knows that homosexuals are homosexual from the time they are children and never had a choice. The notion that God would make you gay and then expect you not to have sex is contemptuous. The Pope is an asshole.

 

[Zebo]

Until they take thier religion seriously like Muslims I won't take them seriously.

 

[Colt45]

Pretty funny watching these dinosaurs pretend they're relevant.

 

[jackschmittusa]

This month the Vatican opposed a proposed UN declaration, backed by all 27 European Union states, calling for an end to the practice of criminalising and punishing people for their sexual orientation.

Sorry, that is not about protecting people from hellfire.

It sends a message that the Pope doesn't care or agrees that people should be persecuted for their sexual orientation.

I think that makes him a jerk.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But this is exactly why he is hideous. He has opinions about saving souls that are absurd. His opinions are a disease, a plague, a hate and denial of reality, based on textual belief. He is just propagating an ancient and sick bigotry. He isn't saving souls, he is using a position of authority to push a sick agenda, spreading a blight and contagion among humanity. He is a monster and an evil hiding behind the claim that he is good. What he believes is life destroying. One can't hold the opinion there is a God and logically argue that homosexuality is a choice rather than a characteristic that was God given. Any even remotely objective person knows that homosexuals are homosexual from the time they are children and never had a choice. The notion that God would make you gay and then expect you not to have sex is contemptuous. The Pope is an asshole.

I don't think he argued that it is a choice. I really wish you and everyone else in this thread could simply read what he actually said, putting aside your obvious bigotry towards him, rather than just making up whatever is convenient. As I said, he condemned actions, not people. He would just as quickly condemn straight sex outside of marriage. Failing to understand this simple point is a failure to understand his perspective altogether and is one of the reasons you label him a bigot based on your own ignorance rather than his.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
by saying this he is saying all devout christians hate gays.

-Edit- Oh and I now have now lost the last bit of respect I had for christianity as a religion.

he's condemning gay acts, not gays.

afaik, the catholic line on homosexuality is that it's acceptable-ish as long as you're not having sex (insofar as the catholic church believes that sex should only be for procreation)

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
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Bigotry and ignorance are found even in high places. Learn to question authority. Be careful of fundamentalist thinking, where because some respected authority or document says something, you, yourself, are trapped by the same ignorance of those who propounded the ideas in the first place. Think for yourself. The rain forest if full of gay animals and especially, our closest relative the Bonobo chimp.

Nuclear proliferation is a much greater threat to humans and the values of the Catholic Church, such as they are. Perhaps he should spend his last years encouraging governments to disarm. Start with Russia and the USA.

Gays? They are, what, maybe 10% of the population? Yet they are doing more harm than rain forest destruction? He needs to go back to his science advisors on that metric!

Why this fascination with gays by the Catholic Church? Methinks they doth protest too much.

-Robert

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: loki8481
he's condemning gay acts, not gays.

afaik, the catholic line on homosexuality is that it's acceptable-ish as long as you're not having sex (insofar as the catholic church believes that sex should only be for procreation)

This. The Catholic line on sex is that it is for unity (i.e. bringing two people closer together) and procreation, not one or the other. This simple philosophy explains the Catholic stance on birth control and any sexual activity (e.g. masturbation, gay sex, straight sex outside of marriage), though it is easily misunderstood.