Merits of Gatorade?

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I'm currently doing cardio and weight-lifting as part of a weight loss plan. Nothing too specific; I just try to go on the elliptical for 20-30 mins a day and do upper-body free weights every other day (using training advice from professionals I've talked to). My question is, if my goal is weight-loss and I'm not doing huge, intensive workouts (although they are intensive for me I guess), do the benefits of Gatorade/Powerade/etc outweigh the cons (increased calorie intake)? At most I drink 16-20 oz while I'm working out to stay hydrated, and it seems to work a bit better than just water. Any thoughts?

EDIT: I should also note that I won't use G2 or Powerade Zero, as any kind of artificial sweeteners dry my throat out. Would diluting the Gatorade be better? My jug of powder mix says not to, but I'm assuming that's their way of wanting you to use more, thus buy more.
 
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apac

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you stay more hydrated every day won't the need to stay hydrated during a 60 minute workout be less important? Especially if it's not a "huge, intensive workout"? I find that I'm terribly thirsty if I'm working out while slightly dehydrated, but if I've had sufficient water over the course of the day I stop for water a lot less.

Thus, no need for the additional caloric intake while working out, you can always rehydrate afterward.

Again I'm not sure if that's just something that works for me.
 

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Generally, under normal conditions, water is just fine for workouts ~60 minutes or less. For longer bouts of exercise, or during particularly hot conditions, the extra sugars & salts in gatorade (and similar sports drinks) are quite useful. So, in your case, you should probably stick with water and avoid all the extra calories, HFCS, etc.
 
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Generally, under normal conditions, water is just fine for workouts ~60 minutes or less. For longer bouts of exercise, or during particularly hot conditions, the extra sugars & salts in gatorade (and similar sports drinks) are quite useful. So, in your case, you should probably stick with water and avoid all the extra calories, HFCS, etc.

Gatorade was built for athletes who would needed to maintain their muscle and liver glycogen stores for competition. It is great for endurance athletes especially. However, 20-30 minutes is not elite endurance running. You can easily ingest 70g+ of sugar through gatorade. During 20-30 minutes of running, especially depending on the intensity level, it would be hard for you to burn the equivalent in glycogen. Water will do you just fine. The extra calories don't really benefit you unless you're running longer distances (10+ miles, half marathon, marathon).

However, if you do longer runs, the ingredients of gatorade are geared to replenish glycogen as quickly as possible. The extra fructose in drinks like these are beneficial due to quicker processing in the liver, leading to quicker buildup of glycogen. In this case, sugar (and particularly fructose) is not necessarily bad.
 
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you stay more hydrated every day won't the need to stay hydrated during a 60 minute workout be less important? Especially if it's not a "huge, intensive workout"? I find that I'm terribly thirsty if I'm working out while slightly dehydrated, but if I've had sufficient water over the course of the day I stop for water a lot less.

Thus, no need for the additional caloric intake while working out, you can always rehydrate afterward.

Again I'm not sure if that's just something that works for me.

The unseen hydration dilemma during cardio is not sweating, but the 5-10% of total blood volume that floods the interstitium as a result of increased blood pressure. In weightlifting, that flooding manifests itself at the pump. In cardio, it has a similar, less localized effect. Even if you're well-hydrated, you need to pre-hydrate a bit (whatever amount you're comfortable with) and hydrate as you see fit during your workout. Through both regular metabolism and metabolism of glycogen (which holds 2.7g of H2O per 1 g of itself), your body creates a ton of water. In longer bouts, you still need to hydrate. Hydration after cardio is key since that's when your body actually utilizes water intake to increase total plasma volume (which is a bonus for cardiac output and oxygen transfer).
 

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I feel f0cked without my training drink...due to the lack of timing in my eating before training. I take a protein shake at around 5 or so to train for 6:30-7:00 and I need my training drink. If it was convienent for me to eat around 5pm more often I'd do it, but it isn't always possible due to work so I need my training drink. I don't feel totally spent and the need to be sick due to low sugar levels when training towards the middle and end of my session.

I take a product called 'surge', it's quite pricey but it works and I don't feel sick anymore. Gagging is not hot in training due to the way you spent yourself...

Koing
 

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Should I be drinking consistently during a workout? When I go for a run(typically 45 mins), I don't drink anything throughout the run. I just don't feel very thirsty during but I do drink water at the end of the workout, typically about a quart of water over the next hour. Thoughts?
 

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For runs of less than an hour in length in normal conditions (not too hot) you don't need to take a drink with you. If you are going long or it's pretty hot, take a drink with you and sip frequently. If you are going really long or it's super hot out, make sure your drink is an electrolyte replenishment product. Or do what ultra distance trail runners do: drink (water, gatorade/HEED, etc...), take S! caps (or the like), and eat whatever works for you. We (my son and I) are eating sandwiches, clif bars, gu chomps, clif shot bloks, bananas, and anything else that strikes our fancy that day. The food seems to help us go long better than just drinking gatorade or HEED.

My $.02...
 

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For runs of less than an hour in length in normal conditions (not too hot) you don't need to take a drink with you. If you are going long or it's pretty hot, take a drink with you and sip frequently. If you are going really long or it's super hot out, make sure your drink is an electrolyte replenishment product. Or do what ultra distance trail runners do: drink (water, gatorade/HEED, etc...), take S! caps (or the like), and eat whatever works for you. We (my son and I) are eating sandwiches, clif bars, gu chomps, clif shot bloks, bananas, and anything else that strikes our fancy that day. The food seems to help us go long better than just drinking gatorade or HEED.

My $.02...

I agree with this. Personally, for steady or long runs in moderate conditions:

<60 min - no fluids until after
60-90 min - water
90-120 min - Gatorade/Powerade
120 min+ - Gatorade + gel

This assumes that I'm well hydrated beforehand and that (for long runs), I've eaten lots of carbs the night before and a snack in the morning an hour before running.

I'm not really a fan of eating when I run, but I do need something for runs over 2 hours or else I start getting hungry. Usually a gel is enough to get me to the end of a 2.5 hour run (which is as long as I've gone).

I guess the hardcore ultra runners like Mega and his son need to snack a bit more when they're out for longer :p.
 
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Should I be drinking consistently during a workout? When I go for a run(typically 45 mins), I don't drink anything throughout the run. I just don't feel very thirsty during but I do drink water at the end of the workout, typically about a quart of water over the next hour. Thoughts?

I believe the most important part is pre-hydrating. On a 45min run, hydration is less important than when you're doing a 1.5h run. I would still drink some fluid intermittently while running. I usually try to plan a drinking fountain about mid-way in my run. You could try something like that.
 

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I'm currently doing cardio and weight-lifting as part of a weight loss plan. Nothing too specific; I just try to go on the elliptical for 20-30 mins a day and do upper-body free weights every other day (using training advice from professionals I've talked to). My question is, if my goal is weight-loss and I'm not doing huge, intensive workouts (although they are intensive for me I guess), do the benefits of Gatorade/Powerade/etc outweigh the cons (increased calorie intake)? At most I drink 16-20 oz while I'm working out to stay hydrated, and it seems to work a bit better than just water. Any thoughts?

EDIT: I should also note that I won't use G2 or Powerade Zero, as any kind of artificial sweeteners dry my throat out. Would diluting the Gatorade be better? My jug of powder mix says not to, but I'm assuming that's their way of wanting you to use more, thus buy more.
Complete waste of time for you, not just a waste of time but injurious because of the extra calories.

Gatorade is more similar than it's different to a can of coke. In fact some endurance athletes do in fact drink coke. Gatorade's sugars are a bit different and it has more salt but until you are throwing down some really hard and lengthy workouts it's a waste of time. I have not run the stats but I would quite honestly believe that 99&#37; of gatorade bottles are consumed by people who are not suffering any kind of glycogen depletion brought on by exercise requiring an energy top-up. I also believe that Gatorade represents one of the very best examples of marketing a product to a public that it does not need or benefit from and yet creating a multi-million (or billion?) dollar business predicated basically on nonsense. Not to say it's a bad product, it isn't, but it is just unnecessary in most cases. I do get a kick out of seeing "healthy" initiatives replace soda machines with Gatorade.
Should I be drinking consistently during a workout? When I go for a run(typically 45 mins), I don't drink anything throughout the run. I just don't feel very thirsty during but I do drink water at the end of the workout, typically about a quart of water over the next hour. Thoughts?
You are fine. If you are normally well hydrated you can run balls-out for 45 minutes without requiring any water intake. Many people who are very competent in sprint triathlons, which typically take one or more hours, will not have a single sip of water. You simply can't expel enough water in 45 minutes except in extreme conditions, to require extra intake. It won't hurt, though. If you are thirsty, by all means, but not drinking will not impact your performance.
 
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TallBill

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Not sure how this turned into a running thread. I can't imagine lifting weights without water available.
 

InflatableBuddha

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Not sure how this turned into a running thread. I can't imagine lifting weights without water available.

Cause we runners kick ass :p. Really though, we got sidetracked since the OP mentioned cardio and weights.

I agree though; water is all you really need for weightlifting in the gym.
 
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Cause we runners kick ass :p. Really though, we got sidetracked since the OP mentioned cardio and weights.

I agree though; water is all you really need for weightlifting in the gym.

Well, there's rest in weightlifting (to some extent). With cardio, there's a nagging increase in temperature. With weightlifting, there's time to cool down. With both forms of exercise, you lose the same 5-10% of plasma volume at the onset of exercise, but the rate of water lost to sweat is increased significantly in cardiovascular exercise.

Definitely pre-hydrate for both (8-16oz) since that's most important to maintain plasma volume and overall cardiac output. If you're not working out for longer than one hour, you can go without hydrating if you'd like. If it's more than an hour, it's cake. I'm just specifying since I got the details of when you should hydrate during a workout from my exercise physiology notes.
 

TallBill

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Well, there's rest in weightlifting (to some extent). With cardio, there's a nagging increase in temperature. With weightlifting, there's time to cool down. With both forms of exercise, you lose the same 5-10% of plasma volume at the onset of exercise, but the rate of water lost to sweat is increased significantly in cardiovascular exercise.

Definitely pre-hydrate for both (8-16oz) since that's most important to maintain plasma volume and overall cardiac output. If you're not working out for longer than one hour, you can go without hydrating if you'd like. If it's more than an hour, it's cake. I'm just specifying since I got the details of when you should hydrate during a workout from my exercise physiology notes.

I'm always well hydrated, but there is just something about sipping water in between sets. I feel like drinking a carb drink helps as well. I really feel more powerful for longer since I started drinking the waxy maize. I don't buy that it's a miracle carb drink, but I strongly feel that it improves my workouts.

I've also been on a pretty strict protein/carb timing program lately which has seemed to help.
 

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Fun fact I learned at med school: You could dilute gatorade into water in a 1:5 concentration (1 part gatorade, 5 parts water) and it would have the same effect.
 
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Fun fact I learned at med school: You could dilute gatorade into water in a 1:5 concentration (1 part gatorade, 5 parts water) and it would have the same effect.

Not in terms of raw glucose effect of glycogenesis... Unless you're talking about its direct effects on plasma glucose (which I don't know either way).
 
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I'm always well hydrated, but there is just something about sipping water in between sets. I feel like drinking a carb drink helps as well. I really feel more powerful for longer since I started drinking the waxy maize. I don't buy that it's a miracle carb drink, but I strongly feel that it improves my workouts.

I've also been on a pretty strict protein/carb timing program lately which has seemed to help.

Anything that helps is good. I personally really like to sip on water while I work out. I get quite a sweat going just lifting at high efforts. I doubt drinking the carb drink actually helps in terms of physiology (since creatine phosphate and general ATP presence are independent of glycolysis), but psychology is the other half of being a successful athlete. More power to you if you can find something that helps mentally.
 

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just remember not to brush your teeth after drinking Gatorade, I remember reading the fluoride plus the citric acid is very corrosive for your teeth
 

glenn beck

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oops sorry I had read the article wrong

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/23/Sports-Drinks-Rot-Your-Teeth.aspx


it is brushing immediately afterwords is bad, because the citric acid softens the enamel , so maybe just swishing your mouth with just the toothpaste would be the best option, without the abrasion.

Dental experts placed teeth in sports drinks and in water to compare the effects, and they found the sports drinks caused corrosion that could result in severe tooth damage if left untreated.

The researchers cut calves' teeth in half and immersed each half in either a sports drink or water. They compared the results after 75 to 90 minutes. The erosion on the half placed in the sports drink was clearly visible -- dozens of tiny holes appeared. There was no damage on the half that was immersed in water.

Brushing teeth immediately after the drinks would actually compound the problem, because the citric acid in the drink softens tooth enamel, leaving it vulnerable to abrasive brushing.

Sports drinks bring in over $7.5 billion a year, touting benefits like improved athletic performance, increased energy and superior hydration during exercise. Because of their glitzy marketing campaigns, which often feature celebrity athletes, many people are under the impression that these drinks are healthy and essential during or after a workout.

What they don&#8217;t advertise is that sports drinks are up to 30 times more erosive to your teeth than water. And as this latest study pointed out, brushing your teeth won&#8217;t help because the citric acid in the sports drink will soften your tooth enamel so much it could be damaged by brushing.

Sports drinks have high acidity levels to extend their shelf life (as do soft drinks). That can be especially problematic for a sweaty athlete with a dry mouth who can't produce enough saliva to regulate and protect his mouth from the acidity.

So when you drink a sports drink, it&#8217;s not an exaggeration to say it&#8217;s akin to spraying a fine layer of corrosive acid over your teeth. Further, the &#8220;benefits&#8221; are not much different than drinking a can of soda.


Why Sports Drinks are Not a Healthy Choice


The leading brands of sports drinks on the market typically contain as much as two-thirds the sugar of sodas and more sodium. They also often contain high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), artificial flavors and food coloring, none of which belong in your body,.

For those of you who are exercising to lose weight, you should also know that sports drinks are usually anything but low calorie. There is a perverse irony of people who are working hard exercising to burn off calories, only to be slurping down more calories and HFCS, which is linked to obesity, while they&#8217;re working out.

One study from the University of California at Berkeley's Robert C. and Veronica Atkins Center for Weight and Health even found that students who drink one 20-ounce sports drink every day for a year could gain 13 pounds!

And although these drinks are often referred to as &#8220;energy&#8221; drinks, in the long run the sugar they contain does just the opposite. It acts like an H-bomb -- a quick explosion of energy followed by a plummeting disaster, as your pancreas and other glands do all they can to balance out the toxic stimulation to your blood sugar.

And if your sports drink is low calorie and sugar-free, be warned that it likely contains an artificial sweetener, which is even worse for you than high-fructose corn syrup or sugar.

Most also contain loads of processed salt, which is there to replenish the electrolytes you lose while sweating. However, unless you&#8217;re sweating profusely and for a prolonged period, that extra salt is simply unnecessary, and possibly harmful.

Additionally, because salt intake typically increases your thirst, drinking most sports drinks will NOT quench your thirst while you exercise. It will instead make you want to drink more.

In many ways drinking sports drinks is not a whole lot better than chugging a can of soda after your workout.


Are Sports Drinks Ever Useful?


Less than 1 percent of those who use sports drinks actually benefit from them.

If you exercise for 30 minutes a day, at a moderate intensity, water is the best thing to help you stay hydrated. It&#8217;s only when you&#8217;ve been exercising for longer periods, such as 60 minutes or more, or at an extreme intensity, such as on a very hot day or at your full exertion level, that you may need something more than water to replenish your body.

Again, the only time you should resort to these drinks is after vigorous exercise, such as cardiovascular aerobic activity, for a minimum of 45 minutes to an hour, and you&#8217;re sweating profusely as a result of that activity.

Anything less than 45 minutes will not result in a large enough fluid loss to justify using these high-sodium, high-sugar drinks. And even if you&#8217;re exercising for more than an hour, I still believe there are far better options to rehydrate yourself, such as fresh coconut water.

Fresh coconut water is one of the highest sources of electrolytes known to man, and can be used to prevent dehydration from strenuous exercise or even diarrhea. Some remote areas of the world even use coconut juice intravenously, short-term, to help hydrate critically ill patients and in emergency situations.

So for most average exercisers and athletes out there, sports drinks are a waste of your money. Your best bet for your primary fluid replacement remains pure, fresh water.
 
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