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Lifer
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Pointless. M-B spends so much money on having the biggest and most powerful engines mostly just for bragging rights, while the quality of their cars is only a shadow of what it once was. All of this horsepower is basically useless, requiring extreme computer intervention just to get half of it to the ground. Even the stickiest road tires can't stand up to 500 ft-lbs of torque - so what's the point of adding another 100-200 ft-lbs as in the twin turbo V12 and supercharged V8? They aren't getting any faster. You can look at the specs and as horsepower/torque has gone into the stratosphere, quarter mile times and top speeds haven't really changed. So really, why is M-B continuing to pump money into engine development? What hole in their lineup does this engine fill? Their priorities are completely skewed.
 
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Viper GTS

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Triumph
Pointless. M-B spends so much money on having the biggest and most powerful engines mostly just for bragging rights, while the quality of their cars is only a shadow of what it once was. All of this horsepower is basically useless, requiring extreme computer intervention just to get half of it to the ground. Even the stickiest road tires can't stand up to 500 ft-lbs of torque - so what's the point of adding another 100-200 ft-lbs? They aren't getting any faster. You can look at the specs and as horsepower/torque has gone into the stratosphere, quarter mile times and top speeds haven't really changed. So really, why is M-B continuing to pump money into engine development? Their priorities are completely skewed.
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Agreed for the most part, particularly on MB quality issues.

However on the performance side I have to disagree. 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are highly traction dependant, and top speeds in this market are usually electronically limited - Not power.

That extra 100-200 ft-lbs comes in when you want to pass someone, rolling starts, etc. People buying in this class expect effortless power, with 500 lb-ft on tap they get exactly that. Something tells me they aren't going to be taking their $150,000 Benz to the dragstrip or challenging Mustangs at the red light.

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Kishan

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Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Triumph
Pointless. M-B spends so much money on having the biggest and most powerful engines mostly just for bragging rights, while the quality of their cars is only a shadow of what it once was. All of this horsepower is basically useless, requiring extreme computer intervention just to get half of it to the ground. Even the stickiest road tires can't stand up to 500 ft-lbs of torque - so what's the point of adding another 100-200 ft-lbs? They aren't getting any faster. You can look at the specs and as horsepower/torque has gone into the stratosphere, quarter mile times and top speeds haven't really changed. So really, why is M-B continuing to pump money into engine development? Their priorities are completely skewed.
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Agreed for the most part, particularly on MB quality issues.

However on the performance side I have to disagree. 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are highly traction dependant, and top speeds in this market are usually electronically limited - Not power.

That extra 100-200 ft-lbs comes in when you want to pass someone, rolling starts, etc. People buying in this class expect effortless power, with 500 lb-ft on tap they get exactly that. Something tells me they aren't going to be taking their $150,000 Benz to the dragstrip or challenging Mustangs at the red light.

Viper GTS
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Its not going to be $150k. MB has trademarked the name for MY2007-2008 with the redesigned C-Class to include a C63.

Thats right, this engine will be availible in a a C Class. Should be priced at $65k.
 
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Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Triumph
Pointless. M-B spends so much money on having the biggest and most powerful engines mostly just for bragging rights, while the quality of their cars is only a shadow of what it once was. All of this horsepower is basically useless, requiring extreme computer intervention just to get half of it to the ground. Even the stickiest road tires can't stand up to 500 ft-lbs of torque - so what's the point of adding another 100-200 ft-lbs? They aren't getting any faster. You can look at the specs and as horsepower/torque has gone into the stratosphere, quarter mile times and top speeds haven't really changed. So really, why is M-B continuing to pump money into engine development? Their priorities are completely skewed.
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Agreed for the most part, particularly on MB quality issues.

However on the performance side I have to disagree. 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are highly traction dependant, and top speeds in this market are usually electronically limited - Not power.

That extra 100-200 ft-lbs comes in when you want to pass someone, rolling starts, etc. People buying in this class expect effortless power, with 500 lb-ft on tap they get exactly that. Something tells me they aren't going to be taking their $150,000 Benz to the dragstrip or challenging Mustangs at the red light.

Viper GTS
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I realize both of those, and I bet that the true top speeds haven't changed much. Torque in particular does nothing to affect top speed. Passing power is difficult to compare as these are all automatics and will shift down as appropriate when you floor it at highway speeds, and the addition of a 7th gear further muddies the comparison. But I bet that even at 50 mph, with no traction control you could break the tires free with 600 ft-lbs of torque.
 
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Eli

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Originally posted by: Triumph

I realize both of those, and I bet that the true top speeds haven't changed much. Torque in particular does nothing to affect top speed. Passing power is difficult to compare as these are all automatics and will shift down as appropriate when you floor it at highway speeds, and the addition of a 7th gear further muddies the comparison. But I bet that even at 50 mph, with no traction control you could break the tires free with 600 ft-lbs of torque.
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If you say so. ;)
 
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Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Triumph

I realize both of those, and I bet that the true top speeds haven't changed much. Torque in particular does nothing to affect top speed. Passing power is difficult to compare as these are all automatics and will shift down as appropriate when you floor it at highway speeds, and the addition of a 7th gear further muddies the comparison. But I bet that even at 50 mph, with no traction control you could break the tires free with 600 ft-lbs of torque.
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If you say so. ;)
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Please don't turn this thread into a HP vs torque thread! But I stand by what I said. And I've done the calculations, so I'm not just speaking out my arse. Power = force * velocity.
 
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HumblePie

Lifer
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Originally posted by: 733SHiFTY
Im not sure which is better, german engineering, german beer, or german sausage...
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German women, not the olypiads, but the regualr women. Definately, followed by beer. Cars and sausage make an even split on third.
 
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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Triumph
Even the stickiest road tires can't stand up to 500 ft-lbs of torque - so what's the point of adding another 100-200 ft-lbs as in the twin turbo V12 and supercharged V8? They aren't getting any faster. You can look at the specs and as horsepower/torque has gone into the stratosphere, quarter mile times and top speeds haven't really changed.
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It'll hold, just not in first gear. Many TTZ's have 500 lbs of torque and they handle the power just fine. My Z has about 450 lbs of torque and I don't have a problem, and I have the stock wheels.

 
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