Melania has Her platform

[Hayabusa Rider]

Their marriage was a cynically transactional relationship based on money and social access. Beyond that, who knows what she's like at the core of her being? I certainly don't.

What I do know is that her handlers -- those who copied Michelle's speech and those who now copied the bullying pamphlet -- are lazy, ignorant plagiarists who fall right in line with the abysmally low standards of the folks Trump surrounds himself with.

"The best people" my ass. 🙄

That's fair enough. Now that she has to protect her children from the monster she married I wonder how she feels about her decision?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Here's an example of what I'm referring to https://www.theblaze.com/news/2011/...syndrome-suffering-trig-palin-on-his-birthday

This was good too.

That crap is pretty hurtful. Doesn't make what anyone else does right but it's there. Get even, take that eye, doesn't seem like a very good way to live or as an accepted part of an ideology.

My thoughts:

1. Never heard or saw this before today.
2. You cared enough to get his diagnosis incorrect earlier in the thread.
3. Seems perfectly fine with republican rhetoric to say those things.
4. I've never heard of wonkette.
5. is the problem that he has a disability, or that a website is being dbags
6. Fuck their feels is ok for Cons, but again, liberals are held to the standard presented by Cons, but not adhered to by Cons?
7. America elected a guy who literally mocked a handicapped person during the campaign. So, excuse my lulz while Cons try to pretend like they care.
8. I personally find attacking innocent children disgraceful. I dont condone it at all. My fellow Americans on the Con side haven't cared for decades as long as their leaders, spokespersons, or admired persons are not the target.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

My thoughts:

1. Never heard or saw this before today.
2. You cared enough to get his diagnosis incorrect earlier in the thread.
3. Seems perfectly fine with republican rhetoric to say those things.
4. I've never heard of wonkette.
5. is the problem that he has a disability, or that a website is being dbags
6. Fuck their feels is ok for Cons, but again, liberals are held to the standard presented by Cons, but not adhered to by Cons?
7. America elected a guy who literally mocked a handicapped person during the campaign. So, excuse my lulz while Cons try to pretend like they care.
8. I personally find attacking innocent children disgraceful. I dont condone it at all. My fellow Americans on the Con side haven't cared for decades as long as their leaders, spokespersons, or admired persons are not the target.

1. OK, you don't know what happened. That doesn't mean it hasn't
2. The diagnosis is correct. There exists a hatred which extends to the opposite side. Quantitatively different? No argument. Qualitatively so? It exists.
3. You proved the point. One cruel view informed by what some claim to stand against.
4. You never heard about Trig either. You now have.
5. The problem is that low lives attacked someone through their disabled child, and yes there's a world of difference between wondering how a child will grow up and become a person that can engage in society and knowing that this will never happen.
6. Fuck people who don't care because "the other guy" does it.
7. America elected a guy who did that. Screw the Cons who pretend like they care and screw the left who-
8. Say they find it disgraceful to attack innocent children and then justify it in the same breath.

9. This is a matter of decency, not your ideology. Fuck that simplistic opiate of the today's masses. It wasn't acceptable for any of this, full stop.

10. Until a spouse of a President has demonstrated that he or she is themselves a deplorable then making them into one is wrong. So far I have seen none of that most of the past administrations. Note I didn't select party or ideology.

 

[MrSquished]

1. OK, you don't know what happened. That doesn't mean it hasn't
2. The diagnosis is correct. There exists a hatred which extends to the opposite side. Quantitatively different? No argument. Qualitatively so? It exists.
3. You proved the point. One cruel view informed by what some claim to stand against.
4. You never heard about Trig either. You now have.
5. The problem is that low lives attacked someone through their disabled child, and yes there's a world of difference between wondering how a child will grow up and become a person that can engage in society and knowing that this will never happen.
6. Fuck people who don't care because "the other guy" does it.
7. America elected a guy who did that. Screw the Cons who pretend like they care and screw the left who-
8. Say they find it disgraceful to attack innocent children and then justify it in the same breath.

9. This is a matter of decency, not your ideology. Fuck that simplistic opiate of the today's masses. It wasn't acceptable for any of this, full stop.

The big differences are two things. Each side has their morons, the left has a fringe element that are loony, and the Republicans do as well, except it's not a fringe element, it's their fucking base.
Second, when the actual president is doing it, they are playing by a whole different set of rules over there on the right.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The big differences are two things. Each side has their morons, the left has a fringe element that are loony, and the Republicans do as well, except it's not a fringe element, it's their fucking base.
Second, when the actual president is doing it, they are playing by a whole different set of rules over there on the right.

Accepted mostly as true, however just some comments show that there's little charity or fairness when it comes to those closest to Trump. Cons went after Michelle? Yep. Let's attack Trump's wife because that's what they did but without any kindness or consideration of why things are. She's just a spoiled rich bitch and let's go for the throat mentality. That's just hate talking and by presumed representatives of whatever side they are supposed to be on.

There is no good bully in this. If you want to cite Trumpettes as acting with great enthusiasm to do the wrong thing? Consider what I think of Nunes, which I believe that he has acted in a way that makes him a legitimate target for investigations on the basis of obstruction of justice at the very least. You haven't seen me do that with a Dem. Why? Well because I side with the Dems and want to get Nunes.

If that's the take away thought, then someone surely doesn't have a clue as to any idea about decency and wrongdoing up to and including illegal actions.

Why is this all screwed up? Because it's wrong to be like these people even on a smaller scale. Again, nothing lets the Reps off for what they did but let's not climb up on that pedestal and preach because theirs isn't as tall as Trump's.

Shall we do evil to do good? Yes, let it become part of ourselves (that's how justification works) and be the evil good in our own eyes.

Not a fan.

 

[ch33zw1z]

1. OK, you don't know what happened. That doesn't mean it hasn't
2. The diagnosis is correct. There exists a hatred which extends to the opposite side. Quantitatively different? No argument. Qualitatively so? It exists.
3. You proved the point. One cruel view informed by what some claim to stand against.
4. You never heard about Trig either. You now have.
5. The problem is that low lives attacked someone through their disabled child, and yes there's a world of difference between wondering how a child will grow up and become a person that can engage in society and knowing that this will never happen.
6. Fuck people who don't care because "the other guy" does it.
7. America elected a guy who did that. Screw the Cons who pretend like they care and screw the left who-
8. Say they find it disgraceful to attack innocent children and then justify it in the same breath.

9. This is a matter of decency, not your ideology. Fuck that simplistic opiate of the today's masses. It wasn't acceptable for any of this, full stop.

10. Until a spouse of a President has demonstrated that he or she is themselves a deplorable then making them into one is wrong. So far I have seen none of that most of the past administrations. Note I didn't select party or ideology.

1. Never saaid it didn't, I did say I had trouble finding g anything about it.
2. You claimed he is autistic, which is incorrect.
3. Debateable, as I haven't really seen where wonkette claims they're against the non PC environment that 62 million Americans voted for.
4. Ok?
5. You're misrepresenting what I said, or I'm misunderstanding. Is the point here that it's a problem he's attacked because he's disabled, or because he's a child, or because he's a Republican's child?
6. Fuck the other guy for doing it, and then expecting others to be better people. The problem with setting the bar low is that you cannot expect others to not reach down there and slap you around sometimes.
7. You almost had it, screw the cons for pretending like they actually give a shit. The insecerity and childish behavior is pathetic.
8. Oh? So now it's a problem when some off at site like wonkette does it.

Well here ya go Mr. busa: https://www.google.com/search?q=fox...nt=ms-unknown&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

A nice google link to what Cons consider acceptable, on their very fair and balanced go to source. Most trusted.

It's seems very acceptable by Cons, up front and in your face, all the way down to the shittiest deplorable sites.

Your attempt to equalize this in some way has proven ineffective. But I'll continue to read what you have to say.

And on to pixels reply, pretty much dead on. Some fringe left website says stupid shit and gets bitch slapped. Meanwhile, that same stupid shit is feuling the Cons base.

WRT to OP, she plagiarized, called out on it. Maybe she should attend a college writing class and insert some references in the next pamphlet.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

1. Never saaid it didn't, I did say I had trouble finding g anything about it.
2. You claimed he is autistic, which is incorrect.
3. Debateable, as I haven't really seen where wonkette claims they're against the non PC environment that 62 million Americans voted for.
4. Ok?
5. You're misrepresenting what I said, or I'm misunderstanding. Is the point here that it's a problem he's attacked because he's disabled, or because he's a child, or because he's a Republican's child?
6. Fuck the other guy for doing it, and then expecting others to be better people. The problem with setting the bar low is that you cannot expect others to not reach down there and slap you around sometimes.
7. You almost had it, screw the cons for pretending like they actually give a shit. The insecerity and childish behavior is pathetic.
8. Oh? So now it's a problem when some off at site like wonkette does it.

Well here ya go Mr. busa: https://www.google.com/search?q=fox...nt=ms-unknown&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

A nice google link to what Cons consider acceptable, on their very fair and balanced go to source. Most trusted.

It's seems very acceptable by Cons, up front and in your face, all the way down to the shittiest deplorable sites.

Your attempt to equalize this in some way has proven ineffective. But I'll continue to read what you have to say.

And on to pixels reply, pretty much dead on. Some fringe left website says stupid shit and gets bitch slapped. Meanwhile, that same stupid shit is feuling the Cons base.

What the heck does what the Cons consider acceptable have to do with my point? Nothing. They are scoundrels FOR WHAT THEY DO.

But people go after families and embrace cruelty then justify it. Equilization? That was never part of the discussion on my part. It's equivalence in the fact that people will resort to the same tactics. Those go in the basket of deplorables.

 

[ch33zw1z]

What the heck does what the Cons consider acceptable have to do with my point? Nothing. They are scoundrels FOR WHAT THEY DO.

But people go after families and embrace cruelty then justify it. Equilization? That was never part of the discussion on my part. It's equivalence in the fact that people will resort to the same tactics. Those go in the basket of deplorables.

And win elections in mass. So what's a liberal to do? This is what our fellow Americans voted for, again....the attempt to paint this as equal is ineffective. You provided a single example from some website nobody visits. I gave you a link to sites that 10s of millions of republicans stand by as their go to source of information

I dont know a single liberals who reads the wonkette. Every republican I know watches Fox news.

 

[HomerJS]

What the heck does what the Cons consider acceptable have to do with my point? Nothing. They are scoundrels FOR WHAT THEY DO.

But people go after families and embrace cruelty then justify it. Equilization? That was never part of the discussion on my part. It's equivalence in the fact that people will resort to the same tactics. Those go in the basket of deplorables.

That's why I focused on the plagiarism not on Melamia personally. Trump and his staff of minions think they are so much better then the Obama's yet they were too lazy to come up with a new idea they copied from Michelle. On top of it would not give proper credit. Anyone associated with Trump turns into a liar. In a way I feel sorry for her. Don't think she wants any parts of this and has to endure the daily humiliation by that asshole she's married to.

Now that staff of hers is blaming the media for pointing out Melania copied Michelle

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And win elections in mass. So what's a liberal to do? This is what our fellow Americans voted for, again....the attempt to paint this as equal is ineffective. You provided a single example from some website nobody visits. I gave you a link to sites that 10s of millions of republicans stand by as their go to source of information

What is a liberal to do? Well you could adopt the same behaviors that the Left says are wrong or be better and serve as an example. Try picking candidates who don't stand aloof and have an attitude of "people don't like me because I'm a capitalist". Stop segmenting the population and marketing to them because that's fake and people pick up on it. Hell, Biden, hardly a Trump supporter couldn't figure her out.

Take ownership and do better. Don't make excuses for your behavior by deflecting onto Trump and his. We know what they are but if the left decides to adopt in kind? That leaves people looking at this as dastardly behavior now have lost a qualitative choice. I'm not voting for a Trump candidate. I don't like what the Republicans represent. Nothing THEY say or do will make them different in my eyes nor what YOU do. No, the Left's representatives in office and their constituents will do that.

A core of Trump people will support him at any cost. They are a given. A lot of people who aren't ideologues may be looking as how the left responds and I'm only one. Don't let us see "well we're not as bad" by eschewing WHAT THEY do, not just pointing out how much more they do it. I wouldn't accept that argument from a child.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's why I focused on the plagiarism not on Melamia personally. Trump and his staff of minions think they are so much better then the Obama's yet they were too lazy to come up with a new idea they copied from Michelle. On top of it would not give proper credit. Anyone associated with Trump turns into a liar. In a way I feel sorry for her. Don't think she wants any parts of this and has to endure the daily humiliation by that asshole she's married to.

Now that staff of hers is blaming the media for pointing out Melania copied Michelle

That staff is wrong, period and I appreciate you haven't attacked her as a person in this.

I seriously wonder how safe she would be if she had given Michelle credit. What have the Obamas said?

 

[darkswordsman17]

What is a liberal to do? Well you could adopt the same behaviors that the Left says are wrong or be better and serve as an example. Try picking candidates who don't stand aloof and have an attitude of "people don't like me because I'm a capitalist". Stop segmenting the population and marketing to them because that's fake and people pick up on it. Hell, Biden, hardly a Trump supporter couldn't figure her out.

Take ownership and do better. Don't make excuses for your behavior by deflecting onto Trump and his. We know what they are but if the left decides to adopt in kind? That leaves people looking at this as dastardly behavior now have lost a qualitative choice. I'm not voting for a Trump candidate. I don't like what the Republicans represent. Nothing THEY say or do will make them different in my eyes nor what YOU do. No, the Left's representatives in office and their constituents will do that.

A core of Trump people will support him at any cost. They are a given. A lot of people who aren't ideologues may be looking as how the left responds and I'm only one. Don't let us see "well we're not as bad" by eschewing WHAT THEY do, not just pointing out how much more they do it. I wouldn't accept that argument from a child.

Wait, weren't you just bitching that "what does a con think have to do with your post" and now you're fucking telling people about Hilary? You seemingly refuse to accept that it has been the sustained lies and attacks on her (in every manner, many conservatives have gone after her kid too, yet I don't see you condemning that shit) is the reason she has such a negative connotation with people. Nah, its because she's just do damn unlikable according to people like you that desperately want to vote conservative (and very probably do), but you're having a hard time overcoming the amount of ridiculous vitriol that they openly espouse.

And where exactly are liberals not taking ownership and doing better? People are pointing out the hypocrisy of people like you where any single transgression by any "liberal" is some horrible thing and shows they're just as bad as the conservatives. Yet when shown evidence that's not even remotely close to being true, you just say its not good enough because well obviously conservatives are going to be horrible people, but if liberals want your vote they better be squeaky clean people. Nevermind that liberals by and large do exactly what you're claiming they aren't that makes them every bit as bad (tell people off when they do shit like that). And yet here you are defending conservatives who have an extended history of the behavior and you're trying to give them a pass because?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Seriously, what the fuck? So your argument is "well nothing is going to change them, so I'm going to criticize you for even trying, and then criticize you if you don't criticize liberals for something you weren't even aware of". Like what the fuck, do you listen to yourself? Should we have to apologize for and chastise every asshole that has said something bad about conservatives (including other conservatives) to appease you? Even if we don't even know that it happened? Because that's what you're absolutely implying must be done.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Wait, weren't you just bitching that "what does a con think have to do with your post" and now you're fucking telling people about Hilary?

You proved another point, thanks again.

I can't not like Hillary. I most certainly can. I can talk about her selling uranium to Russians or buttery males. I can bring up Benghazi. Sure I do those things all the time. Well no, that's never been done.

I can sure as shit not have to like Hillary and not be a con. I don't have to like anyone and not be for the opposition either. Only tiny minded ideologues do not recognize that as being a valid fact. If I claim the Russians actually helped Clinton and not Trump then you will have a valid point. I'm sure that to fit your dialogue I must have one time said something like that. Good luck with that.

But you didn't bother to note any of that. Instead, you reflexively circled the wagon just like Trump supporters. Against Trump? You, scoundrels want to bring down all that's good and right. Fuck the real reasons.

Hillary was in bed with Wall Street and made a fortune and attacked people like me because she's a capitalist, not a socialist.

Pull the other one. That's friggin lame.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The big differences are two things. Each side has their morons, the left has a fringe element that are loony, and the Republicans do as well, except it's not a fringe element, it's their fucking base.
Second, when the actual president is doing it, they are playing by a whole different set of rules over there on the right.

No, as far as loony elements go, the right’s loonies are simply more homogenous, unified and consolidated.

The right is like Gladiator Voltron and the left is like Vehicle Force Voltron

Neither is Lion Force

 

[ch33zw1z]

What is a liberal to do? Well you could adopt the same behaviors that the Left says are wrong or be better and serve as an example. Try picking candidates who don't stand aloof and have an attitude of "people don't like me because I'm a capitalist". Stop segmenting the population and marketing to them because that's fake and people pick up on it. Hell, Biden, hardly a Trump supporter couldn't figure her out.

Take ownership and do better. Don't make excuses for your behavior by deflecting onto Trump and his. We know what they are but if the left decides to adopt in kind? That leaves people looking at this as dastardly behavior now have lost a qualitative choice. I'm not voting for a Trump candidate. I don't like what the Republicans represent. Nothing THEY say or do will make them different in my eyes nor what YOU do. No, the Left's representatives in office and their constituents will do that.

A core of Trump people will support him at any cost. They are a given. A lot of people who aren't ideologues may be looking as how the left responds and I'm only one. Don't let us see "well we're not as bad" by eschewing WHAT THEY do, not just pointing out how much more they do it. I wouldn't accept that argument from a child.

America accepts that argument from adults, see republicans projecting as a reference. So you're just along for the ride. I dont disagree with the points you're making, I'm telling it like it is in reality. What you seem to think the left is doing is in some way is equivalent to what the right is actually doing. One off beat website years ago on the left, compared to mainstreamed on the right. Not even close. I'll continue to support candidates that choose to condemn the behaviours in debate, and the rest is out of my control, it's that simple. What I also won't do is see the two parties as equal in this respect, because that's unrealistic.

 

[Younigue]

Purposely haven't read this thread because ugh Melania but shouldn't the thread title be Melania has someone else's platform?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Purposely haven't read this thread because ugh Melania but shouldn't the thread title be Melania has someone else's platform?

Kinda, more like she's continuing on with someone's else's platform, and didn't give them credit, and wants to call it her own until the media calls her out on it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Purposely haven't read this thread because ugh Melania but shouldn't the thread title be Melania has someone else's platform?

As I said earlier I’d be fine with something like I (Melania) am going to champion this and I’ve updated some of the old material.
Trump & his handlers want credit for literally everything.

 

[Younigue]

Kinda, more like she's continuing on with someone's else's platform, and didn't give them credit, and wants to call it her own until the media calls her out on it.

Wait... are you my husband? He often rewords my words in order to disagree with me even though we're saying the same thing.

He's at work, you've made me miss him ch33z!

 

[Younigue]

As I said earlier I’d be fine with something like I (Melania) am going to champion this and I’ve updated some of the old material.
Trump & his handlers want credit for literally everything.

Uh yeah. That's why he puts his name on anything he can get his greasy, grubby, little hands on.

 

[hal2kilo]

Wait, weren't you just bitching that "what does a con think have to do with your post" and now you're fucking telling people about Hilary? You seemingly refuse to accept that it has been the sustained lies and attacks on her (in every manner, many conservatives have gone after her kid too, yet I don't see you condemning that shit) is the reason she has such a negative connotation with people. Nah, its because she's just do damn unlikable according to people like you that desperately want to vote conservative (and very probably do), but you're having a hard time overcoming the amount of ridiculous vitriol that they openly espouse.

And where exactly are liberals not taking ownership and doing better? People are pointing out the hypocrisy of people like you where any single transgression by any "liberal" is some horrible thing and shows they're just as bad as the conservatives. Yet when shown evidence that's not even remotely close to being true, you just say its not good enough because well obviously conservatives are going to be horrible people, but if liberals want your vote they better be squeaky clean people. Nevermind that liberals by and large do exactly what you're claiming they aren't that makes them every bit as bad (tell people off when they do shit like that). And yet here you are defending conservatives who have an extended history of the behavior and you're trying to give them a pass because?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Seriously, what the fuck? So your argument is "well nothing is going to change them, so I'm going to criticize you for even trying, and then criticize you if you don't criticize liberals for something you weren't even aware of". Like what the fuck, do you listen to yourself? Should we have to apologize for and chastise every asshole that has said something bad about conservatives (including other conservatives) to appease you? Even if we don't even know that it happened? Because that's what you're absolutely implying must be done.

Your wasting your time with Mr. Bothsides. Him and bucky boy should get a room.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Wait... are you my husband? He often rewords my words in order to disagree with me even though we're saying the same thing.

He's at work, you've made me miss him ch33z!

You're welcome

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

America accepts that argument from adults, see republicans projecting as a reference. So you're just along for the ride. I dont disagree with the points you're making, I'm telling it like it is in reality. What you seem to think the left is doing is in some way is equivalent to what the right is actually doing. One off beat website years ago on the left, compared to mainstreamed on the right. Not even close. I'll continue to support candidates that choose to condemn the behaviours in debate, and the rest is out of my control, it's that simple. What I also won't do is see the two parties as equal in this respect, because that's unrealistic.

I just found that site at random. This was far more widespread than one article, I posted an example. Choose to believe that or not, but I never thought more of Palin herself than a cabbage. We'll just have to view things differently. We'll likely get over it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I just found that site at random. This was far more widespread than one article, I posted an example. Choose to believe that or not, but I never thought more of Palin herself than a cabbage. We'll just have to view things differently. We'll likely get over it.

The article you linked to, specified which site was the offender. The offender was wonkette? Again, never even heard of that site until now. Everyone knows who Fox news is. Most trusted, most watched

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The article you linked to, specified which site was the offender. The offender was wonkette? Again, never even heard of that site until now. Everyone knows who Fox news is. Most trusted, most watched

I did a quick google search and came up with something as an example, not the totality of it all.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/09/the-authoritative-trig-palin-conspiracy-time-line

I don't think Vanity Fair was referring to something that no one heard about.