I did a research paper in school on the meat industry. Lets just say that if you are even a half way compassionate person you will be sickened by waht you see. Do a search on factory farms and see what you find. Pretty sad what human greed can do.
The real test for a good beef is the USDA grade. Omaha and store stuff is usually Choice rated. What you want is Prime. It is the best marbled, most flavorful beef available and cost over $20 a pound for certain cuts. It is tough to get because most of the better steak houses buy it. They also age it in a climate controlled environment to ehance the flavor further. Another alternative is japanese Kobe beef that melts in the mouth like butter but costs over $50 a pound. It is great being the highest on the the food chain. Kill me a cow NOW!!!!!
Dick
Dick
I love Omaha steaks, but the thing I can't stand is how pathetically small they are. Even at their sale prices, I'm just not sure I can continue justifying paying as much as I do for what I get.
>>I did a research paper in school on the meat industry. Lets just say that if you are even a half way compassionate person you will be sickened by waht you see. Do a search on factory farms and see what you find. Pretty sad what human greed can do.
Yes, it is. But I try to avoid reading up on it becuase I have too much first hand knowledge of the other food industries - fruits, vegetable, and sugar specifically. If you think cows are treated inhumanely, try the fruit and veggie pickers of the world. Even in the US they are treated like cattle and subjected to terrible conditions - but few others would do the work for the same pay and God knows we aren't going to pay an extra dime per piece of fruit to give them humane living conditions. Do we care that hundreds of sugar cane workers sever fingers and limbs each year giving us our sugar? No. Until we can live as we do without making others miserable, I prefer denial to hypocrisy.
Yes, it is. But I try to avoid reading up on it becuase I have too much first hand knowledge of the other food industries - fruits, vegetable, and sugar specifically. If you think cows are treated inhumanely, try the fruit and veggie pickers of the world. Even in the US they are treated like cattle and subjected to terrible conditions - but few others would do the work for the same pay and God knows we aren't going to pay an extra dime per piece of fruit to give them humane living conditions. Do we care that hundreds of sugar cane workers sever fingers and limbs each year giving us our sugar? No. Until we can live as we do without making others miserable, I prefer denial to hypocrisy.
Hey fuzzy...you gotta be a rich man to afford it
. I had Costco pork chops myself tonight.....$2.49 lb.
. I had Costco pork chops myself tonight.....$2.49 lb.Why is there so much bickering over what cows are fed? Regardless of what they are fed, the majority of you that've answered this post eat store-bought CHICKEN "all" the time, so it doesn't really matter if you shell out the money for omaha's or not, the CHICKEN is still being eaten...
>>>LOL ... are you making this up as you go along?<<<
No, it's a fact that I have been aware of for well over 10 years...unless you already have a fatty meal in your system, rice passes through the stomach in approximately 15 minutes. Of course if you ate a big juicy steak earlier in the day, that rice is going to be in your system a lot longer. I think you can verify this yourself with a little research.
No, it's a fact that I have been aware of for well over 10 years...unless you already have a fatty meal in your system, rice passes through the stomach in approximately 15 minutes. Of course if you ate a big juicy steak earlier in the day, that rice is going to be in your system a lot longer. I think you can verify this yourself with a little research.
<< >>>LOL ... are you making this up as you go along?<<<
No, it's a fact that I have been aware of for well over 10 years...unless you already have a fatty meal in your system, rice passes through the stomach in approximately 15 minutes. Of course if you ate a big juicy steak earlier in the day, that rice is going to be in your system a lot longer. I think you can verify this yourself with a little research. >>
You are only quoting time in stomach for the rice, compared to time in gastro-intestinal tract for the meat. Frankly, I have had only rice for a day and a half (I ran out of $$$ in college, and its all I had in the house). At no point did I need to take a dump 15 minutes after eating. Furthermore, its pretty hard for meat to "rot" inside your stomach in all that acid.
BTW, I'm planning on going boar hunting down in S.C. over spring break. Anyone want some pork chops if I shoot one (or more)?
People who are disgusted by the way animals are treated should just seek alternative meat sources. It's not hard finding a farmer and offering to buy a cow or 'go halves' on a steer. I grew up on a small farm, and the only reason why we had animals is because my father refused to buy animals or any other animal products from the store. We would always get people offering money for part of the cow, and I believe my father gave a cow to the butcher (as opposed to us cutting the meat) and the butcher carved it and kept half of the cow for himself.
So don't whine about the way animals are treated, there are other methods of obtaining the meat humanely. Though if you lived in a big city like chicago or NYC, I don't know how close farms are located
So don't whine about the way animals are treated, there are other methods of obtaining the meat humanely. Though if you lived in a big city like chicago or NYC, I don't know how close farms are located
>>>there are other methods of obtaining the meat humanely.<<<
Hmmm...humane death? Sounds like a great plan. I would like to apply these methods to get me some humane meat...oops, I mean human meat; there are some bums a few miles from here, and I think they would taste just delicious barbequed. Can you explain your methods of murdering 'humanely'?
Hmmm...humane death? Sounds like a great plan. I would like to apply these methods to get me some humane meat...oops, I mean human meat; there are some bums a few miles from here, and I think they would taste just delicious barbequed. Can you explain your methods of murdering 'humanely'?
<< >>>there are other methods of obtaining the meat humanely.<<<
Hmmm...humane death? Sounds like a great plan. I would like to apply these methods to get me some humane meat...oops, I mean human meat; there are some bums a few miles from here, and I think they would taste just delicious barbequed. Can you explain your methods of murdering 'humanely'? >>
Yeah. Its called hitting a deer through the heart and lungs with a well placed .308 expanding bullet. I've done it before. Twice. In neither case did the deer run more than 10 yards. In one case it rolled the deer, and it never twitched. I cant think of a less painful death from natural causes. I'd love to see you come up with a commonly occuring, natural death for those deer. Seeing as these were both in S.C., the deer could be preyed on by either panthers (they are rare, but I've seen some tracks of themm while hunting) or, once they are old/sick, by a boar . I dont think either of those deaths would be nearly as quick or painless.
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MLT - Mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich - when the Mutton is nice and
lean, and the tomato's ripe. They're so perky. I love that."
Miracle Max
MLT - Mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich - when the Mutton is nice and
lean, and the tomato's ripe. They're so perky. I love that."
Miracle Max
hot deal! well, initially anway...
you know, I just love it when a hot deal thread turns into a hot debate thread...what cows are fed, the meat industry and its practices, then the fruit/veggy pickers and their treatment, and the 'murdering' of cows....
(btw, Justincase, i'm curious, if this is your position on the treatment of cows, that they are being 'murdered', are you 'pro life' (referring here to humans/abortion of course)? please don't take this the wrong way, i'm not accusing you of anything or singling you out just for the sake of doing so. it's simply that you are the only one in this thread that has voiced the opinion that essentially cows are being 'murdered', so i am simply curious to hear from a person with such a viewpoint. Of course, you are free not to answer, and I am sorry if I've offended you in any way by asking this.)
-hudster
you know, I just love it when a hot deal thread turns into a hot debate thread...what cows are fed, the meat industry and its practices, then the fruit/veggy pickers and their treatment, and the 'murdering' of cows....
(btw, Justincase, i'm curious, if this is your position on the treatment of cows, that they are being 'murdered', are you 'pro life' (referring here to humans/abortion of course)? please don't take this the wrong way, i'm not accusing you of anything or singling you out just for the sake of doing so. it's simply that you are the only one in this thread that has voiced the opinion that essentially cows are being 'murdered', so i am simply curious to hear from a person with such a viewpoint. Of course, you are free not to answer, and I am sorry if I've offended you in any way by asking this.)
-hudster
I have a Whole Foods by my house and I bet their expensive fresh stuff beats these frozen Omaha steaks.
I'm guessing I'm one of the few here that actually grew up on a farm and have some experience in this matter. We had over 100 head of cattle, half were milk cows and the other half were steers (meat).
In my 20+ years of farm experience I have never seen anyone feed a cow anything but milk (when calfs), water, hay, ground meal (corn, soybeans, etc.), whole corn or sileage (hay, cornstalks, etc. that is stored in a silo). Yep, they graze and eat various grasses too.
Omaha steaks are good, but they are overpriced for what you get.
I love animals, they are delicious.
Scott
In my 20+ years of farm experience I have never seen anyone feed a cow anything but milk (when calfs), water, hay, ground meal (corn, soybeans, etc.), whole corn or sileage (hay, cornstalks, etc. that is stored in a silo). Yep, they graze and eat various grasses too.
Omaha steaks are good, but they are overpriced for what you get.
I love animals, they are delicious.
Scott
Some cows are feed bloodmeal which is made out of other animal products (bones, blood, etc). Some are fed fat or something similar also from other animals... I think the feeding of bloodmeal isn't all that uncommon but the fat (or whatever it's called) isn't fed by a huge percentage of farmers. If you're interested in this and you are on good terms with some farmers just ask them about the supplements they feed their cows or how they manage their minerals and stuff. I'm sure they'd be happy to talk about it... (BTW, bloodmeal is a greyish powder, not a bloody bag of animal products)
I agree with the suggestion on going in for a quarter of a steer or more with a farmer. You can get some excellent meat that has been well cared for and support the farmer. Truely a hot deal...
Mookow:
I agree with you a 100%. I killed my first deer (~1.5 year old doe) in Wisconsin on Thanksgiving morning with a 12 guage slug. She died within 10 seconds. I learned how to process the deer myself from my brother. Only thing we dropped off at the processor was some cuttings for bratwurst and other sausages. My sister is a vegetarian - my brother and I are both hunters. She doesn't see anything wrong with what we do and she knows all about the whole experience of hunting. I'd try explaining it but I can't - simply there is more to hunting than just killing (including this for the other readers, not you Mookow). The other thing to consider is that a deer getting killed by a car is likely a much more painful death than one killed with a bullet or an arrow.
I have no problem with people being anti-meat eating - the only people I have problems with are those that believe they have found the one true way and now everyone else must accept the vision and lead the one true life. Lots of people are out there preaching their message with their specific principles and the way things should be. Not a lot of people out there teaching people to live their own lives and take the time to make their own difficult decisions. Freedom of mind and spirit is more important to me than deciding what my neighbor can and can't do.
edit: forgot one thing - Costco is supposed to have a better grade of meat than regular supermarkets. We were going to get a membership at Costco but when we stopped by on a weekend it was too much of a zoo plus the card checking at the door and the receipt checking at the exit looked pretty annoying. Have to consider that...
I agree with the suggestion on going in for a quarter of a steer or more with a farmer. You can get some excellent meat that has been well cared for and support the farmer. Truely a hot deal...
Mookow:
I agree with you a 100%. I killed my first deer (~1.5 year old doe) in Wisconsin on Thanksgiving morning with a 12 guage slug. She died within 10 seconds. I learned how to process the deer myself from my brother. Only thing we dropped off at the processor was some cuttings for bratwurst and other sausages. My sister is a vegetarian - my brother and I are both hunters. She doesn't see anything wrong with what we do and she knows all about the whole experience of hunting. I'd try explaining it but I can't - simply there is more to hunting than just killing (including this for the other readers, not you Mookow). The other thing to consider is that a deer getting killed by a car is likely a much more painful death than one killed with a bullet or an arrow.
I have no problem with people being anti-meat eating - the only people I have problems with are those that believe they have found the one true way and now everyone else must accept the vision and lead the one true life. Lots of people are out there preaching their message with their specific principles and the way things should be. Not a lot of people out there teaching people to live their own lives and take the time to make their own difficult decisions. Freedom of mind and spirit is more important to me than deciding what my neighbor can and can't do.
edit: forgot one thing - Costco is supposed to have a better grade of meat than regular supermarkets. We were going to get a membership at Costco but when we stopped by on a weekend it was too much of a zoo plus the card checking at the door and the receipt checking at the exit looked pretty annoying. Have to consider that...
>>>(btw, Justincase, i'm curious, if this is your position on the treatment of cows, that they are being 'murdered', are you 'pro life' (referring here to humans/abortion of course)?<<<
I have never been asked about the abortion issue, and have never gotten into that debate, but I'm happy to answer: I am pro-life AND pro-choice...it is up to the individual carrying a child whether or not to carry to term, but I would hope that they would make the decision not to abort, except under exceptional circumstances such as rape.
>>>please don't take this the wrong way, i'm not accusing you of anything or singling you out just for the sake of doing so. it's simply that you are the only one in this thread that has voiced the opinion that essentially cows are being 'murdered', so i am simply curious to hear from a person with such a viewpoint.<<<
The taking of any life, whether human or not, is murder (is 'slaughter' a better word?); a cow has as much right to enjoy life as you or me...if we discovered that there was a farm in the U.S. where millions of cats and dogs were being raised to be slaughtered for food, and we saw this on the evening news, we would be shocked and appalled.
>>>Of course, you are free not to answer, and I am sorry if I've offended you in any way by asking this.)<<<
You haven't offended me at all...but I'm sure someone will attack me on a personal level before we get through with this - always happens, each time I express my strong views on such a subject :Q
I have never been asked about the abortion issue, and have never gotten into that debate, but I'm happy to answer: I am pro-life AND pro-choice...it is up to the individual carrying a child whether or not to carry to term, but I would hope that they would make the decision not to abort, except under exceptional circumstances such as rape.
>>>please don't take this the wrong way, i'm not accusing you of anything or singling you out just for the sake of doing so. it's simply that you are the only one in this thread that has voiced the opinion that essentially cows are being 'murdered', so i am simply curious to hear from a person with such a viewpoint.<<<
The taking of any life, whether human or not, is murder (is 'slaughter' a better word?); a cow has as much right to enjoy life as you or me...if we discovered that there was a farm in the U.S. where millions of cats and dogs were being raised to be slaughtered for food, and we saw this on the evening news, we would be shocked and appalled.
>>>Of course, you are free not to answer, and I am sorry if I've offended you in any way by asking this.)<<<
You haven't offended me at all...but I'm sure someone will attack me on a personal level before we get through with this - always happens, each time I express my strong views on such a subject :Q
A couple of years ago I ordered some steaks as a gift for a friend of mine. I had Omaha Steaks drop-ship them directly to the friend.
After that single order it took me MONTHS to get off their marketing list. It got to the point where about half my junkmail was from Omaha Steaks. I don't care how good their steaks are, or how much they cost -- it's just not worth it.
After that single order it took me MONTHS to get off their marketing list. It got to the point where about half my junkmail was from Omaha Steaks. I don't care how good their steaks are, or how much they cost -- it's just not worth it.
See...happens every time.
As long as people are allowed to express their views here, I will too.
As long as people are allowed to express their views here, I will too.
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