Medical Marijuana vs. Right to Carry: Court Case in OR

[wuliheron]

I propose a controlled study:

We lock 100 drunks with guns and unlimited amounts of booze in one room and 100 stoners with guns and unlimited weed in another.

The room with the most people left alive wins.

The NRA needs to jump on this one.

 

[NoStateofMind]

My opinion is personal liberty is being oppressed and it's a travesty of justice and American values.

If he want's to give $5 rim jobs, carry a gun and be high as a kite why do the fuck do I care? Has zero effect on my life.

Anarchist!

 

[wuliheron]

Anarchist!

Panty waste pinko commie liberal!

 

[zinfamous]

Medical Marijuana is a big lie. However, how is this different from a drunk waving a gun in the air?

It is a very real, and very useful treatment. But like other similar movements, the basic tennents were hijacked by a commando team of freaks with no legitimate agenda, and now, in practice, it is mostly people filling prescriptions for hangnails and monthly "headaches."

It has become a big sham, tbfh.

 

[zinfamous]

I propose a controlled study:

We lock 100 drunks with guns and unlimited amounts of booze in one room and 100 stoners with guns and unlimited weed in another.

The room with the most people left alive wins.

OK, but what do they win?

:hmm:

 

[Patranus]

Considering the fact that marijuana is illegal in all cases, I am not sure what this lady is trying to accomplish.

 

[OCGuy]

Considering the fact that marijuana is illegal in all cases, I am not sure what this lady is trying to accomplish.

Come to CA, they wont even bother writing you the infraction traffic ticket that possession is anymore.

Have a prescription? You can smoke/grow all day.


Unless the state/county has laws that also prohibit other prescription drug users from CCW, I dont see how this will ever stand up in court.

 

[Steeplerot]

Considering the fact that marijuana is illegal.

Maybe where you live, but I have about 11 pot shops within a 3 block radius of my house that have been open for business...oh about 15 years now.

Must suck to be where you are from. If people dont smoke weed they drink, and nothing is worse then a bunch of drunks stinking the place up acting like jerks. (And yes, I am a bartender lol -give a angry drunk a bowl and they chill the hell out and go eat usually leaving me in peace -thank the gods for weed!)

 

[wuliheron]

Considering the fact that marijuana is illegal in all cases, I am not sure what this lady is trying to accomplish.

Pinko commie liberal panty waste! Never heard of state's rights!

 

[olds]

I believe people are supposed to be responsible enough to not use drugs while they are carrying. ...

/thread

 

[Patranus]

Pinko commie liberal panty waste! Never heard of state's rights!

I never said I was for or against a states rights to regulate medical marijuana.

I simply stated that marijuana is a schedule 1 substance under federal law and is therefore illegal in all cases.

 

[wuliheron]

I never said I was for or against a states rights to regulate medical marijuana.

I simply stated that marijuana is a schedule 1 substance under federal law and is therefore illegal in all cases.

That's federal law. Concealed weapons and medical marijuana are laws are state laws.

 

[davmat787]

I never said I was for or against a states rights to regulate medical marijuana.

I simply stated that marijuana is a schedule 1 substance under federal law and is therefore illegal in all cases.

Which is ridiculous when cocaine is a schedule 2 substance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act

 

[xj0hnx]

Which is ridiculous when cocaine is a schedule 2 substance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act

Yes, it is absolutely ridiculous, it boggles the mind why it hasn't been rescheduled. It's pretty much all political, and you'd still have to convince the soccer moms it's not Reefer Madness dangerous, and little Jimmy isn't going to turn into a heroin addicted man whore because he smoked a joint.

 

[Patranus]

That's federal law. Concealed weapons and medical marijuana are laws are state laws.

Gonzales v. Raich

 

[NoStateofMind]

Gonzales v. Raich

Didn't look it up but I bet its about commerce clause?

EDIT: Yep exactly that. However theres this thing called the tenth amendment.

 

[davmat787]

Yes, it is absolutely ridiculous, it boggles the mind why it hasn't been rescheduled. It's pretty much all political, and you'd still have to convince the soccer moms it's not Reefer Madness dangerous, and little Jimmy isn't going to turn into a heroin addicted man whore because he smoked a joint.

From what I understand the whole reason marijuana was banned in the first place was largely based on racism. Caribbean blacks in the south "imported" its use and thus was an easy way to harass them. Seem to remember seeing old newspaper headlines raging about marijuana causing blacks to go on white girl raping sprees or some such.

Also it should be noted that marijuana is not physically addictive like alcohol and opiates. But hey, we pay taxes on those, and congress is lubed by painkillers and the two hour martini lunch at Old Ebbetts Grill so its all good.

Marijuana is a plant, sure it can be abused like any other substance but I bet any prescription drugs in your medicine cabinet has caused more deaths than marijuana has. Gee, I wonder what big pharma's position is on medical marijuana?

Again, who here has ever heard of domestic violence due to marijuana use, vs. alcohol? None of the police officers I have asked ever have.

 

[wuliheron]

Gonzales v. Raich

So you admit that you're a pinko commie fascist who believes the federal government should have their hands in everybody's business. Why didn't you just say so in the first place. Some of my best friends are commies, some fascists, and some both. You'll never meet a nicer bunch of people on both the extreme left and right.

 

[xj0hnx]

From what I understand the whole reason marijuana was banned in the first place was largely based on racism. Caribbean blacks in the south "imported" its use and thus was an easy way to harass them. Seem to remember seeing old newspaper headlines raging about marijuana causing blacks to go on white girl raping sprees or some such.

Correct, it was originally outlawed as a tool to keep those uppity blacks in place, but since then it's continued illegality benefits more than a couple industries, and we all know how powerful big pharma is.

 

[bfdd]

Maybe where you live, but I have about 11 pot shops within a 3 block radius of my house that have been open for business...oh about 15 years now.

Must suck to be where you are from. If people dont smoke weed they drink, and nothing is worse then a bunch of drunks stinking the place up acting like jerks. (And yes, I am a bartender lol -give a angry drunk a bowl and they chill the hell out and go eat usually leaving me in peace -thank the gods for weed!)

Same, but I walk to one that's about .5-.75 miles from me. Pretty dank stuff.

 

[davmat787]

Same, but I walk to one that's about .5-.75 miles from me. Pretty dank stuff.

My only problem with MM is how is it is to get a scrip for it, I have heard of places where you go in with $250 and walk out with the scrip. I don't want the system shutdown from abuse, that would only hurt those that have a good reason.

At risk of sounding like a jerk, do you have a legit ailment?

 

[davmat787]

Correct, it was originally outlawed as a tool to keep those uppity blacks in place, but since then it's continued illegality benefits more than a couple industries, and we all know how powerful big pharma is.

As if getting very stoned promotes a raging erection and insatiable sexual appetite for southern belles! Must just be a black thang.

 

[Patranus]

Didn't look it up but I bet its about commerce clause?

EDIT: Yep exactly that. However theres this thing called the tenth amendment.

Not according to FDR and the "progressives".

 

[PrinceofWands]

It should be a crime to actively harm someone else (physically, financially, emotionally, etc), or directly infringe on their rights. That's just about the only things that should be a crime, or regulated. Almost everything else is bullshit.

As it would apply to this case, there's absolutely no logical reason for refusing to issue a license. Rather someone does something sometimes is moot. As long as they obey the rules concerning carry, including where they supersede other rules. To prohibit a permit in this case is equivalent to denying a drivers license to anyone over 21 because they have the potential to drink legally, and therefore commit a DUI. Unless you catch them driving while legally impaired, you can't have their license. Same logic applies.

 

[matt0611]

I don't think people who are impaired should be carrying guns, but I don't think it's reasonable to say 'everyone who ever uses a certain type of medicine can be denied a CC permit.' It seems like a reasonable thing to do would be to determine a standard mental and or physical metric that constitutes impaired and outlaw carrying a gun while impaired.

Seems reasonable.
I think there should be state laws that prohibit being intoxicated or under the influence while carrying a firearm in public. If you are caught in public intoxicated and you are found with a firearm I think there should be some punishment.

But unless a person has a criminal record or history of mental illness I don't see a valid reason to deny a permit.