Medical Marijuana vs. Right to Carry: Court Case in OR

[xj0hnx]

So where do you draw the line? What about patients on much harder drugs such as oxycodone or oxycontin? If they are obeying all laws, why should they have to pick one or the other when someone who drinks for fun does not?

Just a FYI, OxyContin is Oxycodone, just the Extended release name brand

My opinion is that a patient that is prescribed legal drugs should not be disqualified from having a carry permit, and being able to carry their firearm everywhere it is legally allowed. They get to have drivers licenses, and can still drive.

 

[Zorkorist]

Yeah. It's pretty simple really. Stoned people, drunk people, should be able to carry arms.

It's the 2nd Amendment we made to the constitution.

The right to bear arms.

-John

Just don't let them be found with an open container, or drug residue.



-John

 

[kylebisme]

Just a FYI, OxyContin is Oxycodone, just the Extended release name brand

And furthermore, Oxycodone is basically just designer heroin, as can be seen by comparing the chemical structures of the two at the Wiki pages I linked. So should we ban carry permates from anyone who is perscribed OxyContin? How about Valium, or Prozac?

 

[Nebor]

And furthermore, Oxycodone is basically just designer heroin, as can be seen by comparing the chemical structures of the two at the Wiki pages I linked. So should we ban carry permates from anyone who is perscribed OxyContin? How about Valium, or Prozac?

Many states will in fact suspend your carry license if you're on mood altering drugs or have been diagnosed with any sort of mental disorder.

 

[Zorkorist]

Jeez, now I am craving Heroin.

-John

 

[coreyb]

There shouldn't even be a debate over marijuana anymore. It's a drug, but one of the more safe ones and it's recockulous that it's even illegal in this day and age.

 

[kylebisme]

Many states will in fact suspend your carry license if you're on mood altering drugs...

Huh, I hadn't heard of that. Any chance you could present a specific example of such legislation?

 

[xj0hnx]

And furthermore, Oxycodone is basically just designer heroin, as can be seen by comparing the chemical structures of the two at the Wiki pages I linked.

Most opiates are, they are all pretty much just derivatives of opium.

So should we ban carry permates from anyone who is perscribed OxyContin? How about Valium, or Prozac?

No. Being prescribed medication doesn't automatically make someone irresponsible. However if they are going to start doing this bullshit they better start suspending licenses, both conceal carry and drivers, from people that drink alcohol too, which has shown to be not only more destructive to the human body than most drugs, even heroin, but has caused a hell of a lot more destruction on the road, and with firearms than probably all other drugs combined.

 

[xj0hnx]

There shouldn't even be a debate over marijuana anymore. It's a drug, but one of the more safe ones and it's recockulous that it's even illegal in this day and age.

Pretty insane isn't it?

 

[Siddhartha]

Are the police going after everyone who are on painkillers and have a right to carry permit?

 

[Matt1970]

Then again their stoned ass probably wouldn't even be able to find their gun, much less be able to use it.

 

[Zebo]

My opinion is personal liberty is being oppressed and it's a travesty of justice and American values.

If he want's to give $5 rim jobs, carry a gun and be high as a kite why do the fuck do I care? Has zero effect on my life.

 

[Zebo]

Are the police going after everyone who are on painkillers and have a right to carry permit?

No you're on the grid, in the wealthy welfare system, paid your dues, you're all good.

 

[Broheim]

so all of you honestly think that a person high on weed is just as responsible as one who isn't?

 

[wuliheron]

so all of you honestly think that a person high on weed is just as responsible as one who isn't?

Responsibility has little to do with the issue unless you think we should give everyone a credit check and IQ test before issuing any weapons licenses. Personally I wouldn't object to such measures, but that isn't the law. Pot users are among the most nonviolent group imaginable and the issue on the table is whether the sheriff is interpreting the law rather then merely enforcing the law.

 

[Scotteq]

Medical Marijuana is a big lie. However, how is this different from a drunk waving a gun in the air?

This.


I don't doubt at all that there are individuals (chemo patients, etc) who benefit. But by and large, "Medical Marijuana Patients" are just users who found a way around the system. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing: After all, (one) could be just as irresponsible with alcohol consumption instead of pot. Just that I'd appreciate the honesty of calling a spade a spade. In this case, something along the lines of "We're going to decriminalize small amounts of MJ when handled in the following manner...".


I own firearms, and have a cabinet full of Scotch and Bourbon: That's OK

I own firearms, and have a shoebox with a quarter ounce of pot: That's... Bad!?!?


Nonsense, IMO.

 

[Scotteq]

so all of you honestly think that a person high on weed is just as responsible as one who isn't?

I do not believe it's a question of absolutes.

 

[davmat787]

This.


I don't doubt at all that there are individuals (chemo patients, etc) who benefit. But by and large, "Medical Marijuana Patients" are just users who found a way around the system. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing: After all, (one) could be just as irresponsible with alcohol consumption instead of pot. Just that I'd appreciate the honesty of calling a spade a spade. In this case, something along the lines of "We're going to decriminalize small amounts of MJ when handled in the following manner...".


I own firearms, and have a cabinet full of Scotch and Bourbon: That's OK

I own firearms, and have a shoebox with a quarter ounce of pot: That's... Bad!?!?


Nonsense, IMO.

This sums up pretty much how I feel too, nice post. Part of the problem is legislators can debate alcohol legislation over a martini lunch, but it is much harder for them and the public to relate to the effects of marijuana.

The hollywood "reefer madness" image of the effects are very wrong.

 

[airdata]

*sigh*

Hopefully the ignorance dies out with the current generation that's in power. I doubt she's walking around totally blitzed with the intention of shooting somebody.

May as well take away people's concealed carry if they smoke cigarettes or drink ( at all )

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Seems like a moot case anyway, as under federal law users of marijuana are prohibited from owning firearms...

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[davmat787]

Seems like a moot case anyway, as under federal law users of marijuana are prohibited from owning firearms...

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From the OP article:

"But the cardholders have won so far arguing this is one situation where federal law does not trump state law, because the concealed handgun license just gives a person a legal defense if they are arrested, not a right.

Oregon's attorney general has sided with the marijuana cardholders, arguing that the concealed handgun license cannot be used to buy a gun, so sheriffs who issue one to a marijuana card holder are not in violation of the federal law."

 

[Theb]

I don't think people who are impaired should be carrying guns, but I don't think it's reasonable to say 'everyone who ever uses a certain type of medicine can be denied a CC permit.' It seems like a reasonable thing to do would be to determine a standard mental and or physical metric that constitutes impaired and outlaw carrying a gun while impaired.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

From the OP article:

"But the cardholders have won so far arguing this is one situation where federal law does not trump state law, because the concealed handgun license just gives a person a legal defense if they are arrested, not a right.

Oregon's attorney general has sided with the marijuana cardholders, arguing that the concealed handgun license cannot be used to buy a gun, so sheriffs who issue one to a marijuana card holder are not in violation of the federal law."

Gotcha. Each state is different I suppose, thanks for pointing that out. In Texas, same federal rules apply to CHL applicants as Form 4473.

 

[wuliheron]

I don't think people who are impaired should be carrying guns, but I don't think it's reasonable to say 'everyone who ever uses a certain type of medicine can be denied a CC permit.' It seems like a reasonable thing to do would be to determine a standard mental and or physical metric that constitutes impaired and outlaw carrying a gun while impaired.

I'm sure in Lollipop Land words like "reasonable" make sense and win the day, but here in the US "reasonable" and gun laws just don't mix.

 

[soundforbjt]

I propose a controlled study:

We lock 100 drunks with guns and unlimited amounts of booze in one room and 100 stoners with guns and unlimited weed in another.

The room with the most people left alive wins.