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SlitheryDee
You just blew your cover there stumpy. Better luck next time.
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Medical ethics?
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You just blew your cover there stumpy. Better luck next time.
MotionMan
Lifer
I take great offense to that statement. Don't judge me or my opinions based on my profession. Judge me and my opinions on the fact that I have greater information about this subject than you do and that I have first hand knowledge that you probably never will.
I do not get you at all, which is fine, but, faced with overwhelming evidence that Prophylactic Mastectomies have been determined to be ethical by multiple well-respected sources, you not only refuse to even consider changing your opinion, but you mock and personally insult those who disagree with you.
Why is that?
MotionMan
Gunslinger08
Lifer
Not malpractice. Preventative care is not unethical. It's the woman's choice to make.
ManyBeers
Platinum Member
Why should i change my opinion? I've thought about this and i think it is an unethical procedure. If you will notice the poll there are 45 yes votes and 45 no votes, so opinion is pretty evenly divided on this subject. But i know you are much more intelligent than i am, and probably a better person than i am. So what.
MotionMan
Lifer
As long as you do not want to let the facts get in the way of your opinion, then don't change it.
The difference is that, in this case, medical ethics is actually set by the medical and legal community. In reality, ones opinion regarding the ethics of it is irrelevant since there is an actual answer to the question "Is it ethical". That answer is "Yes". Your real problem is that you do not believe that it should be considered ethical.
Also, given your manifest lack of information regarding this issue, I can see how the poll would be so divided.
I did not say that and it is sad that you have run out of actual arguments and continue to go for the personal attacks.
What I said was that I had more knowledge than you (However, the fact that you cannot tell the difference between knowledge and intelligence may be an actual indicator of your intelligence 😉 ).
MotionMan
Born2bwire
Diamond Member
I can't even begin to think what misconceptions would lead to the belief that you can't refuse medical assistance.
As to the OP, I don't see any reason why it would be unethical given that it's made as an informed decision.
So she has no breasts now? I feel sorry for her husband (if she has one).
This should be considered a crime against men!
PS: ManyBeers: You should probably stop while you're behind. After getting chewed up and spit out, you can't really take cheap shots and say it's sarcasm (the lowest form of humor). You should just say " this is my personal opinion and I'm sticking to it, regardless of what the community concensus is". Since you're too proud (and too dumb) to do that, just keep on going at it.
This should be considered a crime against men!
PS: ManyBeers: You should probably stop while you're behind. After getting chewed up and spit out, you can't really take cheap shots and say it's sarcasm (the lowest form of humor). You should just say " this is my personal opinion and I'm sticking to it, regardless of what the community concensus is". Since you're too proud (and too dumb) to do that, just keep on going at it.
ManyBeers
Platinum Member
I did.
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Slew Foot
If she's informed of her choices, and that's the choice she makes, than it's 100% perfectly acceptable.
Again this thread doesn't really concern the patients but the doctors actions. Specifically is removing womens perfectly healthy breasts in an attempt to prevent possible cancer outbreak Ethical on the part of the doctors?
The American Medical Association says YES.
In fact, the entire American medical community says YES.
Every single HMO in this country says YES.
Every single hospital in America has an active ETHICS BOARD. Every single one of them says YES.
Please inform yourself.
The thread is asking for opinions. Render yours and move on.
Are you only looking for uninformed opinions?
MotionMan
I don't know? How many radical mastectomies have you performed? If none why is your opinion any more valid than mine or any other participants in this thread.
Because I have researched and dealt with this issue professionally (as a lawyer) and personally (through family and friends).
Short of actually picking up a scalpel, I think I am on pretty good footing.
MotionMan
No offense to you MotionMan but don't let the fact that you're a lawyer go to your head. Though i think it has.
I take great offense to that statement. Don't judge me or my opinions based on my profession. Judge me and my opinions on the fact that I have greater information about this subject than you do and that I have first hand knowledge that you probably never will.
I do not get you at all, which is fine, but, faced with overwhelming evidence that Prophylactic Mastectomies have been determined to be ethical by multiple well-respected sources, you not only refuse to even consider changing your opinion, but you mock and personally insult those who disagree with you.
Why is that?
MotionMan
Why should i change my opinion? I've thought about this and i think it is an unethical procedure. If you will notice the poll there are 45 yes votes and 45 no votes, so opinion is pretty evenly divided on this subject. But i know you are much more intelligent than i am, and probably a better person than i am. So what.
Read the thread before spouting off dummy.
I wouldn't say it's unethical, no. If other doctors in that same physician's field would've recommended something similar, then it's fine for him to do the same. Assuming he let her know of the risks beforehand, told her she had the right to refuse treatment or seek other opinions, and informed her of other available treatments, then he did nothing wrong.
This is a perfectly legitimate procedure - if she has a significant family history of breast cancer (which indicates a strong genetic predisposition), there is nothing ethically wrong with this procedure. The patient has the final decision when it comes to their own health, and she could very easily have declined the procedure if she wanted.
A couple cases in point:
I had a professor in college who actually had a double mastectomy since EVERY WOMAN in the past 3 generations of her family died from breast cancer. Seems like a reasonable choice to me, almost certain breast cancer (and the ensuing symptoms, treatments, chemo, etc) vs. a procedure and implants. IMO there really isn't a problem.
I worked with an ER nurse who had breast cancer, and she said she would rather have had a preventive mastectomy than the treatments. Again, she had a significant family history of breast cancer.
This is not to say that every woman on earth should have a mastectomy to prevent breast cancer, but those patients with family histories and greater risk should definitely be given the option.
The main issue here is that I think some of the people here are angry that the physician would even suggest something like this. I understand the outrage, but a patient's care is for *them and their physician to decide*.
A couple cases in point:
I had a professor in college who actually had a double mastectomy since EVERY WOMAN in the past 3 generations of her family died from breast cancer. Seems like a reasonable choice to me, almost certain breast cancer (and the ensuing symptoms, treatments, chemo, etc) vs. a procedure and implants. IMO there really isn't a problem.
I worked with an ER nurse who had breast cancer, and she said she would rather have had a preventive mastectomy than the treatments. Again, she had a significant family history of breast cancer.
This is not to say that every woman on earth should have a mastectomy to prevent breast cancer, but those patients with family histories and greater risk should definitely be given the option.
The main issue here is that I think some of the people here are angry that the physician would even suggest something like this. I understand the outrage, but a patient's care is for *them and their physician to decide*.
NoShangriLa
Golden Member
The medical practice is expensive enough with these extra procedures. Wouldn?t it be more practical for the patient to have more regular exams to make sure that the cancer can be dealt with early if it ever occurs?
Gunslinger08
Lifer
This is really no different from having your wisdom teeth removed before they become horribly impacted and cause you pain. People just like to make it dramatic because it's tits instead of teeth.
For patients with a significant family history, even yearly exams sometimes aren't enough. It really depends on the patient's wants - does she want to constantly be worried, have bi-yearly mammograms, etc, etc. In the end it really boils down to their choice for their lifestyle.
I read the whole thread silly pants!
Your ending (bolded) statement could have ended with the first two sentences, but you insisted on adding in the last three that were chock full of pointless condescending insight. It's ok, I understand what you were trying to do, so did MotionMan, so you were called on it, again.
Don't take it personally, I was only being "sarcastic". 😀
TooManyBeers, I'ved watched this thread and I can now say that changing your thread title was a ball-less, coward thing to do. What happened, did your dick shrink and suddenly you became afraid of all the PWNAGE which has been happening?
FWIW, he posted malpractice, originally. You are truely a moron of epic proportions.
FWIW, he posted malpractice, originally. You are truely a moron of epic proportions.
Noobtastic
Banned
Couldn't this be classified under plastic surgery?
If that were the case, there really wouldn't be any issue.
If that were the case, there really wouldn't be any issue.
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