Medical ethics?

[Deeko]

Ok, the answer to that: Yes

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
It is the doctors job to Refuse.

Nope. It's the patient's. This is why you can get second/third opinions and chose your course of action.

How can it be the patients when it is the doctor who must perform the procedure. No doctor is forced to do anything concerning voluntary procedures.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: ManyBeers


Is that a fact. What is being prevented?

uh, cancer

No. the only thing that is being prevented is Breast cancer because she no longer has breasts . No where is it said she can't still get Cancer.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Exactly, since she no longer has breasts she can't get breast cancer but what about lung cancer,throat cancer, etc.
Why do the doctors draw the lion at the breasts?

You REALLY need to go educate yourself on this issue before you open your mouth here again.

In a thread full of ignorance and stupidity, yours may well be the stupidest post yet.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: bignateyk
LOL @ those of you who said malpractice. She consented to the procedure. She might have been the one to ask for it in the first place. It's not like she is the only person to have ever had this done. I think some of you need to read up on what malpractice actually is.

I asked you if it is ethical on the doctors part to agree to cut a perfectly healthy womans perfectly health breasts off of her because Maybe she may get cancer in her breasts in the future. And remember even after removing her breasts there is No guarantee that she will be cancer free.

The answer is yes.

You may disagree with it, but it is still the correct answer.

MotionMan

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: ManyBeers


Is that a fact. What is being prevented?

uh, cancer

No. the only thing that is being prevented is Breast cancer because she no longer has breasts . No where is it said she can't still get Cancer.

and you are wrong on that. takeing the breast greatly reduces the chance of breast cancer. it does nto prevent it.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

No. The only thing this procedure guarantees is she can't get breast cancer because she no longer has breasts.

Ok, so she went from being high-risk to low-risk. I'm assuming she felt that was better than taking the chance. You can disagree with her, but you still haven't explained how this is malpractice.[

I never said anything about malpractice. I asked if doing these procedures on healthy women with healthy breasts is Ethical on the doctorspart.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: ManyBeers


Is that a fact. What is being prevented?

uh, cancer

No. the only thing that is being prevented is Breast cancer because she no longer has breasts . No where is it said she can't still get Cancer.

Are you an idiot? What is your problem with this procedure?

She was at high risk of breast cancer. Even when caught early, today's cancer treatments are far from 100% effective. She elected to have preventive surgery to greatly lower that risk. The doctor agreed. Now she has a much better chance of living.

You do realize how many women die of breast cancer, right? Sure, she could still get heart cancer or lung cancer or skin cancer or any of a myriad of others, but clearly breast cancer is the one she was at the highest risk to contract.

Again....what's the problem??? Are you just trolling here, or what? No one could possibly be this dense.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

No. The only thing this procedure guarantees is she can't get breast cancer because she no longer has breasts.

Ok, so she went from being high-risk to low-risk. I'm assuming she felt that was better than taking the chance. You can disagree with her, but you still haven't explained how this is malpractice.

I never said anything about malpractice. I asked if doing these procedures on healthy women with healthy breasts is Ethical on the doctorspart.

Dude, can you not read your own thread title?

Again...either you're a troll or an idiot.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

No. The only thing this procedure guarantees is she can't get breast cancer because she no longer has breasts.

Ok, so she went from being high-risk to low-risk. I'm assuming she felt that was better than taking the chance. You can disagree with her, but you still haven't explained how this is malpractice.

I never said anything about malpractice. I asked if doing these procedures on healthy women with healthy breasts is Ethical on the doctorspart.

But the title of the thread is "Medical malpractice?"!

MotionMan

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: thecrecarc

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: warmodder

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: irishScott
No. Hippocratic oath: Do no harm.

Same reason assisted suicide is illegal in 49 states

She wasn't harmed though...

So if I ambushed her in an ally the day before the surgery, and cut off her breasts with a machete (think Rwanda), assuming she gets rushed to the hospital and survives without a hitch, did I harm her?

Same net result as her getting them removed... excluding emotional damage.

Um, she consented to the procedure. Why would it be malpractice? It's a legitimate preventative measure.

legitimate? i don't think so. she has a possiblity of getting cancer. it is not a gurenteed. to remove her breast is a huge mental and physical issue. not to mention that is no gurentee that she won't get cancer latter anyway.

they should have just kept closer eye on her. have regular visits to the doctor. to cut off part of the body for no reason is unethical.

There is a reason. to reduce the RISK of getting cancer. and she consented to the procedure.

No. The only thing this procedure guarantees is she can't get breast cancer because she no longer has breasts.

actually that is wrong also. removing the breast does not gurntee that a pwerson will not get breast cancer (there is small amount of "breast"). but it does greatly reduce the chance.

Ok fine you want to nitpick me. Your are unwittingly on my side because even with doing a radical mastectomy these women can still get cancer in ohther parts of their bodies.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: KK
couldn't the doctor remove the real hooters and put a fake set on?

I imagine he could.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Deeko
I think people here are just reading into this wrong.

You can disagree with the decision. You can disagree with the advice. However, it is very clearly NOT malpractice.

I didn't say it was malpractice i asked if the doctors actions are ethical.

And the answer, very clearly, is YES.

For you it is.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Its perfectly ethical but stupid.

Just having her mammograms regularly will keep her safe.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: MotionMan
It is neither unethical nor malpractice (i.e. medical negligence).

Removing the breasts of healthy women with a family history of breast cancer is an accepted practice.

BTW, I am a lawyer who use to specialize in medical malpractice (I am not giving legal advice here, however)

MotionMan, Esq.

Well i am sure it accepted. They get paid for it.

You really cannot be that ignorant or that closed-minded, can you?

MotionMan

I'm that ignorant.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Deeko
I think people here are just reading into this wrong.

You can disagree with the decision. You can disagree with the advice. However, it is very clearly NOT malpractice.

I didn't say it was malpractice i asked if the doctors actions are ethical.

And the answer, very clearly, is YES.

For you it is.

So why did you bother to ask the question if, even when faced with the facts, you would not change your opinion?

Troll.

MotionMan

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: thecrecarc

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: warmodder

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: irishScott
No. Hippocratic oath: Do no harm.

Same reason assisted suicide is illegal in 49 states

She wasn't harmed though...

So if I ambushed her in an ally the day before the surgery, and cut off her breasts with a machete (think Rwanda), assuming she gets rushed to the hospital and survives without a hitch, did I harm her?

Same net result as her getting them removed... excluding emotional damage.

Um, she consented to the procedure. Why would it be malpractice? It's a legitimate preventative measure.

legitimate? i don't think so. she has a possiblity of getting cancer. it is not a gurenteed. to remove her breast is a huge mental and physical issue. not to mention that is no gurentee that she won't get cancer latter anyway.

they should have just kept closer eye on her. have regular visits to the doctor. to cut off part of the body for no reason is unethical.

There is a reason. to reduce the RISK of getting cancer. and she consented to the procedure.

No. The only thing this procedure guarantees is she can't get breast cancer because she no longer has breasts.

actually that is wrong also. removing the breast does not gurntee that a pwerson will not get breast cancer (there is small amount of "breast"). but it does greatly reduce the chance.

Ok fine you want to nitpick me. Your are unwittingly on my side because even with doing a radical mastectomy these women can still get cancer in ohther parts of their bodies.

i don't think you are getting what i am saying. they can't remove 100% of the breast. there is still a chance that a person will get BREAST CANCER even after a precedure like this. BUT it is very very small.


I AM NOT talking about any other part of her body just her breast.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Deeko
I think people here are just reading into this wrong.

You can disagree with the decision. You can disagree with the advice. However, it is very clearly NOT malpractice.

I didn't say it was malpractice i asked if the doctors actions are ethical.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought the title of the thread was "Medical malpractice?" My mistake.

Sorry about that confusion. I meant this discussion to revolve around the ethics of the procedures and not legal

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Its perfectly ethical but stupid.

Just having her mammograms regularly will keep her safe.

err you can't say that. there is no way to keep her safe from cancer.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: MotionMan
It is neither unethical nor malpractice (i.e. medical negligence).

Removing the breasts of healthy women with a family history of breast cancer is an accepted practice.

BTW, I am a lawyer who use to specialize in medical malpractice (I am not giving legal advice here, however)

MotionMan, Esq.

Well i am sure it accepted. They get paid for it.

You really cannot be that ignorant or that closed-minded, can you?

MotionMan

I'm that ignorant.

The beauty of being ignorant is that once you become educated, you can change your opinion to match the facts. If you fail to do that, you are shown to be an idiot or a troll.

MotionMan

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: bignateyk
LOL @ those of you who said malpractice. She consented to the procedure. She might have been the one to ask for it in the first place. It's not like she is the only person to have ever had this done. I think some of you need to read up on what malpractice actually is.

I asked you if it is ethical on the doctors part to agree to cut a perfectly healthy womans perfectly health breasts off of her because Maybe she may get cancer in her breasts in the future. And remember even after removing her breasts there is No guarantee that she will be cancer free.

The answer is yes.

You may disagree with it, but it is still the correct answer.

MotionMan

No it is merely your answer and your opinion.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Its perfectly ethical but stupid.

Just having her mammograms regularly will keep her safe.

I don't don't agree with you that it is ethical, legal maybe, ethical no.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: bignateyk
LOL @ those of you who said malpractice. She consented to the procedure. She might have been the one to ask for it in the first place. It's not like she is the only person to have ever had this done. I think some of you need to read up on what malpractice actually is.

I asked you if it is ethical on the doctors part to agree to cut a perfectly healthy womans perfectly health breasts off of her because Maybe she may get cancer in her breasts in the future. And remember even after removing her breasts there is No guarantee that she will be cancer free.

The answer is yes.

You may disagree with it, but it is still the correct answer.

MotionMan

No it is merely your answer and your opinion.

Wrong. Medical ethics are set by the medical community (and to some extent, the legal community). I happen to know that in the majority of both communities, Prophylactic Mastectomies are considered ethical (there is always the lunatic fringe, however).

MotionMan

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: thecrecarc

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: warmodder

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: irishScott
No. Hippocratic oath: Do no harm.

Same reason assisted suicide is illegal in 49 states

She wasn't harmed though...

So if I ambushed her in an ally the day before the surgery, and cut off her breasts with a machete (think Rwanda), assuming she gets rushed to the hospital and survives without a hitch, did I harm her?

Same net result as her getting them removed... excluding emotional damage.

Um, she consented to the procedure. Why would it be malpractice? It's a legitimate preventative measure.

legitimate? i don't think so. she has a possiblity of getting cancer. it is not a gurenteed. to remove her breast is a huge mental and physical issue. not to mention that is no gurentee that she won't get cancer latter anyway.

they should have just kept closer eye on her. have regular visits to the doctor. to cut off part of the body for no reason is unethical.

There is a reason. to reduce the RISK of getting cancer. and she consented to the procedure.

No. The only thing this procedure guarantees is she can't get breast cancer because she no longer has breasts.

actually that is wrong also. removing the breast does not gurntee that a pwerson will not get breast cancer (there is small amount of "breast"). but it does greatly reduce the chance.

Ok fine you want to nitpick me. Your are unwittingly on my side because even with doing a radical mastectomy these women can still get cancer in ohther parts of their bodies.

i don't think you are getting what i am saying. they can't remove 100% of the breast. there is still a chance that a person will get BREAST CANCER even after a precedure like this. BUT it is very very small.


I AM NOT talking about any other part of her body just her breast.

Ok fine. So based on what you have just stated do you think the procedure is Ethical?

 

[Canai]

I think it is fine. The doctor told the patient what he felt, and she decided to take the safest way.