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Measles outbreak in Washington state

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Vic said:
The real problem with these anti-vaxxers lies in the fundamental nature of life and evolution. Measles today isn't the measles of yesterday. Today's measles virus are the descendants of the ones that survived vaccination. It has evolved and will continue to do so. The same problem exists to all the other diseases we have vaccines against.
We were so close to wiping out forever diseases that used to kill more people than old age. So close.
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That's not true. Wild smallpox no longer exists & we're on the cusp of eliminating wild polio. We can do the same with any disease that affects only humans, measles being at the top of the list.
 
Jhhnn said:
That's not true. Wild smallpox no longer exists & we're on the cusp of eliminating wild polio. We can do the same with any disease that affects only humans, measles being at the top of the list.
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Well, perhaps I was being overly pessimistic, but it is true than any pathogen that survives in the wild will evolve to be more resistant to vaccine and antibiotics.
 
Vic said:
Well, perhaps I was being overly pessimistic, but it is true than any pathogen that survives in the wild will evolve to be more resistant to vaccine and antibiotics.
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For sure. Measles hasn't changed on us, however. Current vaccines are highly effective. It can, therefore, be eradicated. We don't have effective vaccines for HIV. The genome of influenza crosses species lines & shifts so rapidly that vaccines are only partly effective.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Why would you regret that?

A) There is a vaccine that you may be eligible to get: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/varicella/public/index.html
B) Not having had chickenpox means you'll likely have a lower risk of having shingles when you're older, as shingles arises from long-dormant chickenpox that has hidden away in your body
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Because you don't want to get chicken pox as an adult. I had it as a child, and it wasn't a big deal. But a friend of mine got it when we were in college. His temp went to 105 and he had to have an ice bath. It was brutal.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Because you don't want to get chicken pox as an adult. I had it as a child, and it wasn't a big deal. But a friend of mine got it when we were in college. His temp went to 105 and he had to have an ice bath. It was brutal.
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I know you don't want it as an adult, as it is generally worse, but that's not a problem these days now that there is a vaccine.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Because you don't want to get chicken pox as an adult. I had it as a child, and it wasn't a big deal. But a friend of mine got it when we were in college. His temp went to 105 and he had to have an ice bath. It was brutal.
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Anecdote is not an antidote. Here is my counter, I got it as a child, while I already had the flu, and nearly died. I spent 2 weeks in the hospital, in isolation. I still have numerous scars from it. It is not harmless to children, especially now that we know it causes shingles later in life. Shingles are very painful. Surely we can all agree that it is better to not get it at all, which the vaccine allows for.

DarthKyrie said:
Vaccines will give me autism, even thou I am already on the spectrum but nevermind that. Anti-vaxxers drive me fuckin insane.
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Is that what drove you insane? I always wondered 😉😎
 
WelshBloke said:
Those reviews! 😀
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SMOGZINN said:
Anecdote is not an antidote. Here is my counter, I got it as a child, while I already had the flu, and nearly died. I spent 2 weeks in the hospital, in isolation. I still have numerous scars from it. It is not harmless to children, especially now that we know it causes shingles later in life. Shingles are very painful. Surely we can all agree that it is better to not get it at all, which the vaccine allows for.



Is that what drove you insane? I always wondered 😉😎
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People, in general, drove me insane. It's just anti-vaxxers that make me want to act out some of my darker desires.
 
Jhhnn said:
I don't know quite how to read that but paperwork isn't a substitute for herd immunity.
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The same kind of education, liberal arts and sciences, that makes people immune to anti-vax nonsense is the same sort of thinking that makes people immune to political propaganda and advertising. There are tremendous political and economic interests in this country that wield tremendous power that would stand to lose if the educational system turned out anything more than sheep and drones. The US is a psychopath’s playground.
 
Problem seems to be getting worse. 50+ cases now.

Man, you guys call southern states stupid - It takes an EPIC level of stupid to bring back and die from diseases that have long been defeated.

It's at the stupidity level of flat earthers - but at least with that their stupidity has no ill-effects of normal people without brain defects.

https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/02/07/measles-cases-rise-to-at-least-50-in-was?videoId=512292045&feedType=VideoRSS&feedName=TopNews&videoChannel=1&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+reuters/USVideoTopNews+(Video+/+US+/+Top+News)
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Problem seems to be getting worse. 50+ cases now.

Man, you guys call southern states stupid - It takes an EPIC level of stupid to bring back and die from diseases that have long been defeated.

It's at the stupidity level of flat earthers - but at least with that their stupidity has no ill-effects of normal people without brain defects.

https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/02/07/measles-cases-rise-to-at-least-50-in-was?videoId=512292045&feedType=VideoRSS&feedName=TopNews&videoChannel=1&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+reuters/USVideoTopNews+(Video+/+US+/+Top+News)
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Please. It could have happened in a lot of places. Anti-vaxxer bullshit crosses all political lines.
 
shortylickens said:
If I get two shots and swap spit with an anti-vax mom, does it counteract the stupid?
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No, it'd be reinforcing it (because uh, you're not exactly smart enough to counterbalance that level of stupid). But then, you know, you'd have to find a woman that would actually swap spit with you, and as you've made sure we're all too aware, that's not very likely!
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Problem seems to be getting worse. 50+ cases now.

Man, you guys call southern states stupid - It takes an EPIC level of stupid to bring back and die from diseases that have long been defeated.

It's at the stupidity level of flat earthers - but at least with that their stupidity has no ill-effects of normal people without brain defects.

https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/02/07/measles-cases-rise-to-at-least-50-in-was?videoId=512292045&feedType=VideoRSS&feedName=TopNews&videoChannel=1&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+reuters/USVideoTopNews+(Video+/+US+/+Top+News)
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Yes, because I'm sure there aren't any conservatives in the state of Washington or any other "liberal" areas.

Southern States have earned their reputation for idiocy through hard work and sheer will.
Also: https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/CDC-Houston-worst-city-measles-13592213.php

There's a variety of factors and its not simple anti-vax idiots (although they are idiots and make things worse for sure).

The Philippines is having an outbreak and its because they had issues with another vaccine program (for Dengue fever), which led to people not getting vaccinated for other stuff as well.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/asia/philippines-measles-outbreak-intl/index.html
 
DarthKyrie said:
Vaccines will give me autism, even thou I am already on the spectrum but nevermind that. Anti-vaxxers drive me fuckin insane.
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I have to respond to this because this mis-information is why we are here. Vaccines do not cause autism. Period. This has been heavily researched and the guy who originally came up with the idea of the MMR vaccine causing autism, Andrew Wakefield, was found lying the whole time for financial gain. Since his originally paper in the Lancet in 1998, which is no retracted, every researcher since then has found no correlation. They cannot reproduce his methods, they cannot find an association whatsoever. Andrew Wakefield's paper is the only one with dozens of others proving his false. To give you an idea, his original research was based on only 12 patients. One of the articles linked below researched over 90000 and could find no association. Autism is actually more associated with genetics then with anything we give during childhood - https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/autism-genetics-explained/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/andrew-wakefield-fraud-extraordinaire/

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/mmr-vaccine.html

https://www.autismspeaks.org/scienc...k-large-study-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-kids

https://www.nature.com/articles/4001181
 
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