Me and my G/f have a question...

[radioouman]

I would encourage my SO to do it if she wanted!!

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: bob4432
you don't have to believe it but it is the truth, that is why docs only take out some much via liposuction/liposculture. and mostly for women because they have more fat then men.

i have known many dancers(topless) that are rock hard, but only get the line down the stomach, but want a little 4-6pack, they go to the gym, eat healthy, dance(topless, hell of a workout considering some do it 4-6hrs/day) but still can't get it. i don't know if they have gone as far a binging before, but that is definately not too healthy and would still equal that it was not in the genes if somebody has to force themselves to throw up to get to that point

It is not the truth.

They aren't training properly to get a flat stomach. When you mean 'line' what does that mean? How much fat do they have? They are eating too much or eating bad foods. You can't possibly tell me if they are dancing 4-6hrs a day (not all that time is 'constant' dancing imo) and they can't have a flat stomach that is pretty much fat free. Sure they will have some fat but they will be flat. Or do they want a 'ripped' 6 pack like a guys? That is a lot different to a flat stomach as girls have a lot less muscle fat and have higher bf% naturally.

I bet they are doing poor ab exercises and for too many reps also. People don't need to do 1000x of crunches but just make them harder or 8reps x 4 sets or so. Mix it up a bit etc.

I see people in the gym yearly and they never change. Sure they train hard but they are training poorly. Training a lot but poorly != Training less and smarter.

How flat and lean are their stomachs after so much training? Granted people have different standards they hold themselves to. I mean if they have abs like a pop singers (pretty flat imo in most cases) then they want a 6 pack?

Koing

the line i am talking about is the vertical line and yes their stomachs are flat, just not the definition of a 4-6pack.

also some have thigh issues, again even though they workout a lot and they would change it up a lot and some even had personal trainers.

 

[Lumathix]

Sure, if she wanted it.
But I wouldn't make her feel like she had to get one.

 

[shilala]

I like bewbs.

 

[alphatarget1]

no... be happy of what you have.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: bob4432
you don't have to believe it but it is the truth, that is why docs only take out some much via liposuction/liposculture. and mostly for women because they have more fat then men.

i have known many dancers(topless) that are rock hard, but only get the line down the stomach, but want a little 4-6pack, they go to the gym, eat healthy, dance(topless, hell of a workout considering some do it 4-6hrs/day) but still can't get it. i don't know if they have gone as far a binging before, but that is definately not too healthy and would still equal that it was not in the genes if somebody has to force themselves to throw up to get to that point

It is not the truth.

They aren't training properly to get a flat stomach. When you mean 'line' what does that mean? How much fat do they have? They are eating too much or eating bad foods. You can't possibly tell me if they are dancing 4-6hrs a day (not all that time is 'constant' dancing imo) and they can't have a flat stomach that is pretty much fat free. Sure they will have some fat but they will be flat. Or do they want a 'ripped' 6 pack like a guys? That is a lot different to a flat stomach as girls have a lot less muscle fat and have higher bf% naturally.

I bet they are doing poor ab exercises and for too many reps also. People don't need to do 1000x of crunches but just make them harder or 8reps x 4 sets or so. Mix it up a bit etc.

I see people in the gym yearly and they never change. Sure they train hard but they are training poorly. Training a lot but poorly != Training less and smarter.

How flat and lean are their stomachs after so much training? Granted people have different standards they hold themselves to. I mean if they have abs like a pop singers (pretty flat imo in most cases) then they want a 6 pack?

Koing

the line i am talking about is the vertical line and yes their stomachs are flat, just not the definition of a 4-6pack.

also some have thigh issues, again even though they workout a lot and they would change it up a lot and some even had personal trainers.

Well for a start most personal trainers know f0ck all. Some of the rubbish they spew is just down right WRONG.

So you saying these women want definition like this?
http://www.sport-channel.com/enid/ea8d0...aempferin_Lewis_macht_Schluss_slp.html

Or less ripped? I picked her pic as she is a British Athlete who is 'reknown' for her 8pack. I can count on my hand the number of girls that are as lean as this girl. She is SERIOUSLY lean.

Or are we talking about they are like this:
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GBfficial_s%26sa%3DG

And they want to look a bit more like this:
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GBfficial_s%26sa%3DG

She has more cut. Or they are more like the 2nd pic and wanting to have more cut?

Granted it is easier for men to have a 6/8 pack then it is for women but you can get pretty dam flat and lean if you just train, eat and do the right things. AS for women wanting more of a 4/6 pack thing that will be a bit harder for women then for a typical guy. But guys will need to train and eat properly also to get the results.

Koing

 

[CKent]

Not that big a deal to me either way.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
All the married guys voted yes and the single guys voted no.

Wrong.

 

[eits]

if she wanted them that much, i'd support her. however, i probably wouldn't want her to have them. i'm all about some natural hangers.

if she was going to have them, however, i'd hope she would go with what looked the most natural and not the most pornstarish.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Fake breasts suck.

All natural +1

you probably wouldn't know a good fake boob over a real one...

bags of sand....

 

[DougK62]

Well I'm not attracted to the type of insecure women that want breast implants, so I'd never be put in that situation. All of the girlfriends that I've had for any length of time loved their bodies and thought implants were absolutely ridiculous -- and most of these women had figures faaaaar from "perfect".

 

[AstroCreep]

If she really wanted them, I'd support her.
At first I might try to rationalize with her a few points:
-what are you trying to gain?
-she's perfect the way she is
-the potential health risks (ruptures, etc)
-the fact that it would cost soooo much and that money could be better spent elsewhere

After deep thought on all of those points, and if she really wanted them , I'd support her in her decision.
Although I would not pay for them myself - it's all on her (no pun intended).

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: bob4432
you don't have to believe it but it is the truth, that is why docs only take out some much via liposuction/liposculture. and mostly for women because they have more fat then men.

i have known many dancers(topless) that are rock hard, but only get the line down the stomach, but want a little 4-6pack, they go to the gym, eat healthy, dance(topless, hell of a workout considering some do it 4-6hrs/day) but still can't get it. i don't know if they have gone as far a binging before, but that is definately not too healthy and would still equal that it was not in the genes if somebody has to force themselves to throw up to get to that point

It is not the truth.

They aren't training properly to get a flat stomach. When you mean 'line' what does that mean? How much fat do they have? They are eating too much or eating bad foods. You can't possibly tell me if they are dancing 4-6hrs a day (not all that time is 'constant' dancing imo) and they can't have a flat stomach that is pretty much fat free. Sure they will have some fat but they will be flat. Or do they want a 'ripped' 6 pack like a guys? That is a lot different to a flat stomach as girls have a lot less muscle fat and have higher bf% naturally.

I bet they are doing poor ab exercises and for too many reps also. People don't need to do 1000x of crunches but just make them harder or 8reps x 4 sets or so. Mix it up a bit etc.

I see people in the gym yearly and they never change. Sure they train hard but they are training poorly. Training a lot but poorly != Training less and smarter.

How flat and lean are their stomachs after so much training? Granted people have different standards they hold themselves to. I mean if they have abs like a pop singers (pretty flat imo in most cases) then they want a 6 pack?

Koing

the line i am talking about is the vertical line and yes their stomachs are flat, just not the definition of a 4-6pack.

also some have thigh issues, again even though they workout a lot and they would change it up a lot and some even had personal trainers.

Well for a start most personal trainers know f0ck all. Some of the rubbish they spew is just down right WRONG.

So you saying these women want definition like this?
http://www.sport-channel.com/enid/ea8d0...aempferin_Lewis_macht_Schluss_slp.html

Or less ripped? I picked her pic as she is a British Athlete who is 'reknown' for her 8pack. I can count on my hand the number of girls that are as lean as this girl. She is SERIOUSLY lean.

Or are we talking about they are like this:
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GBfficial_s%26sa%3DG

And they want to look a bit more like this:
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GBfficial_s%26sa%3DG

She has more cut. Or they are more like the 2nd pic and wanting to have more cut?

Granted it is easier for men to have a 6/8 pack then it is for women but you can get pretty dam flat and lean if you just train, eat and do the right things. AS for women wanting more of a 4/6 pack thing that will be a bit harder for women then for a typical guy. But guys will need to train and eat properly also to get the results.

Koing

probably closer to the second pic, very sexy but with a little more of a "ripped" look, but not near as lean and ripped as the first one.

you are correct that their personal trainers probably don't know sh!t, a lot of these girls are extremely good looking and some aren't too smart. maybe that is why they do to go the lipo route, to get that extra 10% they can't achieve on their own and want what you would call the "easy" way out, either way after the surgeries they look excellent, but again these are for chics that for some reason or another can't get their naturally, albeit hard work. for them, they make a lot of $$$ and it is probably cheaper in the long run to keep up their incredible workouts but have the doc enhance them just a bit. i am by no means talking about chics that need to lose 50#s here, talking very little in the stomach and thigh areas.

as far as it dancing being a workout, next time you go to a topless club, take a couple of dances and look at it from more of a workout standpoint instead of a sexual one. you will see extreme definition in the quads, back, calves, basically all over but some might have a bit extra on the stomach, that is what i am talking about.

i once said something to one of the girls i know about it being a workout, as i use to be in excellent shape - would mountain bike 15-20miles/day x 5-6days/week, tons of cardio and after out talk i agreed that what they did was a workout. hell, if you don't believe me, do a dance for yourself one day (please in private and don't show us pics), just for sh!ts and giggles i tried it and although i was nowhere near as graceful as them, i was amazed at the amount of strength required, i guess more like a yoga/pilates/contorstionist(sp?) workout.

there was this one black girl, don't know whatever happend to her, but she was about maybe 10% "fatter" than your first pic, man she was smokin' and had like 3 kids. nice girl and hard as a rock. in all the years of visiting topless clubs (and i use to go a lot, probably 8x/mo for about 5yrs) i only viewed maybe 10 chics like that, like a perfect female specimen.

been good bantering back with you and i can definately see where you arer coming from, i hope you can see the point from where i derive my info.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
All the married guys voted yes and the single guys voted no.

Such stupidity... I am married and voted no.. and I would have voted no when I was single too..

 

[jelkukipik]

Natural jesus..Breast augmentation are sooo fake

 

[Carnage4]

Natural = happy, free-range breasts

 

[bob4432]

i just think the pr0n industry have given fakes a bad name, when done correctly with a artistic doc then all is good. when they are the size of watermelons or grapefruit is when things go bad

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: bob4432
probably closer to the second pic, very sexy but with a little more of a "ripped" look, but not near as lean and ripped as the first one.

you are correct that their personal trainers probably don't know sh!t, a lot of these girls are extremely good looking and some aren't too smart. maybe that is why they do to go the lipo route, to get that extra 10% they can't achieve on their own and want what you would call the "easy" way out, either way after the surgeries they look excellent, but again these are for chics that for some reason or another can't get their naturally, albeit hard work. for them, they make a lot of $$$ and it is probably cheaper in the long run to keep up their incredible workouts but have the doc enhance them just a bit. i am by no means talking about chics that need to lose 50#s here, talking very little in the stomach and thigh areas.

as far as it dancing being a workout, next time you go to a topless club, take a couple of dances and look at it from more of a workout standpoint instead of a sexual one. you will see extreme definition in the quads, back, calves, basically all over but some might have a bit extra on the stomach, that is what i am talking about.

i once said something to one of the girls i know about it being a workout, as i use to be in excellent shape - would mountain bike 15-20miles/day x 5-6days/week, tons of cardio and after out talk i agreed that what they did was a workout. hell, if you don't believe me, do a dance for yourself one day (please in private and don't show us pics), just for sh!ts and giggles i tried it and although i was nowhere near as graceful as them, i was amazed at the amount of strength required, i guess more like a yoga/pilates/contorstionist(sp?) workout.

there was this one black girl, don't know whatever happend to her, but she was about maybe 10% "fatter" than your first pic, man she was smokin' and had like 3 kids. nice girl and hard as a rock. in all the years of visiting topless clubs (and i use to go a lot, probably 8x/mo for about 5yrs) i only viewed maybe 10 chics like that, like a perfect female specimen.

been good bantering back with you and i can definately see where you arer coming from, i hope you can see the point from where i derive my info.

Yeah it's been good banter

Denise Lewis was SERIOUSLY ripped! But then again she was a tier one Hepathlete. She won Gold in an Olympics also :thumbsup: = you got to be a monster then.

Yes the last few % are the hardest to shift. Just have to be very strict with yourself. Look at Britney she has not kept up her training and eating and she will put on lbs. Granted she gave birth but she was going that way after she stopped touring etc. But she will be able to get back in to shape. Just takes a lot of effort and good advice. But she also doesn't have to work to earn £££.

I haven't been to a strip club myself but I know what your on about. I see quite a lot of girls that are lean with nice flat stomachs that aren't athletes. I'm around athletes quite a lot and they are obviously more ripped then the avg girl. But I guess I'm seeing girls that are 18-24yrs.

Dancing is an underated work out. It is tough. I do some Gymnastics so I have goodd balnce and co-ordination and can do the front splits and other funky poses . No box splits for me though .

Uni girls for the leaness! So many that were smokin' :thumbsup:

Koing

 

[Golgatha]

I can only comment on recovery time, as I know someone who has had a breast reduction. Takes about 2weeks to get off bedrest and then slow recovery over the next month after that. If the surgeon is good, there is very little scarring (she let me see the results) .

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Golgatha
I can only comment on recovery time, as I know someone who has had a breast reduction. Takes about 2weeks to get off bedrest and then slow recovery over the next month after that. If the surgeon is good, there is very little scarring (she let me see the results) .

that is not full recovery.....full recovery is probably 1 year with the under the muscle procedure, which i would recommend based on the results i have seen.

also for the scars there are these little silicone strips they can put on them, which somehow makes the scar invisible. i am not sure if the scar is actually gone as in the skin is without a scar, but it appears to be the same color as the skin around it.

also, op, there are different ways to get the implant in, under the breast, under the arm, through the nipple or up through the belly button. my wife chose to go under the breast because we felt and the doctor reasurred us that to him it is the way in which he has the best control of the placement. although there were scars, the above mentioned silicon strips took care of them. through the nipple just seems sadistic to me

that is very nice that she let you see them

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
They don't feel real. They are stiffer and just don't have that natural feel of a true breast. Personally I don't like the feeling. It takes away some of the great quality of breast in general.

There are literally thousands of people who disagree with you. Either you have felt ones that are recently done, are too big for the person's frame, or suffered from CC.

My wife also has implants saline under the muscle. They look fantastic. They feel fantastic. She has had them for 10 years and is breast feeding now and 2 before as well. She got them done before we were together and sold her car to do so. It was a '90 CRX SI. I bet that CRX does not look nearly as good as my wifes chest does. Money well spent! $5800 in 1996 dollars (she had the best guy in town do them)

Oh and young ladies thinking about it and wanting to have children as well. We recommend the under the muscle cause when your done nursing you breasts will probably go back to pre-breastfeeding shape. No saggy or "lunch bag" look going on.

Don't be a hater on large breasts most of these nerds will NEVER experience the differance anyhow. And minds are too warped by seeing too big of ones in all the porn they say they don't look at.

Don't get me wrong I did know her before the augmentation and would have still married her no question, but it was for her and it seems to me %50 mental and %50 physical in reasons why she got them. And it made her happy.

Make sure you get an expert job or she will be unhappy!

 

[chuckywang]

I would object since I feel a boob job is a clear sign of a woman who cares too much about her superficial features.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I prefer natural, and I prefer smaller (in fact, the smaller the better just about). It wouldn't necessarily end the relationship, but it would strain it exceptionally without question.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
They don't feel real. They are stiffer and just don't have that natural feel of a true breast. Personally I don't like the feeling. It takes away some of the great quality of breast in general.

There are literally thousands of people who disagree with you. Either you have felt ones that are recently done, are too big for the person's frame, or suffered from CC.

My wife also has implants saline under the muscle. They look fantastic. They feel fantastic. She has had them for 10 years and is breast feeding now and 2 before as well. She got them done before we were together and sold her car to do so. It was a '90 CRX SI. I bet that CRX does not look nearly as good as my wifes chest does. Money well spent! $5800 in 1996 dollars (she had the best guy in town do them)

Oh and young ladies thinking about it and wanting to have children as well. We recommend the under the muscle cause when your done nursing you breasts will probably go back to pre-breastfeeding shape. No saggy or "lunch bag" look going on.

Don't be a hater on large breasts most of these nerds will NEVER experience the differance anyhow. And minds are too warped by seeing too big of ones in all the porn they say they don't look at.

Don't get me wrong I did know her before the augmentation and would have still married her no question, but it was for her and it seems to me %50 mental and %50 physical in reasons why she got them. And it made her happy.

Make sure you get an expert job or she will be unhappy!

i couldn't help but laugh at the bold comment. that is $$$ that definatel appreciated



also, i wish i knew the demographics of the people reporting. are the ones that say yes either black, white or hispanic and the ones that say no asian or indian(from the country india)?

i will admit to some that there are the girls that want them for the wrong reasons, but those are in the pr0n industry they you say you don't look at as stated by EXman.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: JinLien

I prefer natural and a GF that isn't insecure therefore the subject hasn?t arise with any GF yet.

Its not always about being insecure. Im not sure why everyone thinks that?

Sure it's about being insecure. Why else would people get them done? It's because of the fascination that our culture has with huge boobies, and if you don't have them, then you feel insecure about it. I'm curious to know what the other reasons would be, except for things like cancer etc...