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McConnell, feeling the Bern

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glenn1 said:
Status as part of the federal government should work like the Premier League with relegation if you’re a mismanaged mess like PR, DC, or Chicago. They can be put into a junior varsity league for the U.S. with a path to full statehood if they shape up or demotion if they underfund pension obligations or something. They get conditional representation in Congress where they are prevented in voting on items that would benefit themselves.
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Sure, when do we move Alabam to the JV league?
 
glenn1 said:
Status as part of the federal government should work like the Premier League with relegation if you’re a mismanaged mess like PR, DC, or Chicago. They can be put into a junior varsity league for the U.S. with a path to full statehood if they shape up or demotion if they underfund pension obligations or something. They get conditional representation in Congress where they are prevented in voting on items that would benefit themselves.
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Then in that case all states should also receive no more in federal funding than they send to the federal government. That would effectively bankrupt 75% of red states.
 
glenn1 said:
We shouldn’t even consider Puerto Rico for statehood unless and until they pay their defaulted government debts in full. Which means it will never happen. There's no reason to reward acknowledged deadbeats with statehood, especially since if they do gain statehood that debt will be completely unrecoverable.
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The same should of been said when Texas was annexed right?

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/mpdrh

Fucking deplorables.
 
ivwshane said:
The same should of been said when Texas was annexed right?

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/mpdrh

Fucking deplorables.
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If like Texas did, Puerto Rico wants to cede a big portion of its land to the federal government in return for debt relief to allow statehood I’m be okay with exploring that option. Cede Viequez Island to the Navy for starters then some other prime main island real estate for the feds?

The United States, in return for a cession of 67,000,000 acres of land, gave to Texas $10 million in 5 percent United States bonds, with the proviso that $5 million of the bonds should not be turned over to Texas "until the creditors of the State holding bonds of Texas for which duties on imports were specially pledged shall first file releases of all claims against the United States for or on account of said bonds."
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glenn1 said:
Status as part of the federal government should work like the Premier League with relegation if you’re a mismanaged mess like PR, DC, or Chicago. They can be put into a junior varsity league for the U.S. with a path to full statehood if they shape up or demotion if they underfund pension obligations or something. They get conditional representation in Congress where they are prevented in voting on items that would benefit themselves.
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Sounds great, let's do it with a system where if you take in more federal dollars than you receive for 5 straight years you lose your representation in Congress until you improve.

Almost all the red states would be relegated in no time, haha. Maybe this would encourage conservatives to get their act together and manage their states well enough to become competitive with the liberal states. I imagine you are on board with this idea, right?
 
glenn1 said:
Status as part of the federal government should work like the Premier League with relegation if you’re a mismanaged mess like PR, DC, or Chicago. They can be put into a junior varsity league for the U.S. with a path to full statehood if they shape up or demotion if they underfund pension obligations or something. They get conditional representation in Congress where they are prevented in voting on items that would benefit themselves.
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Under that logic, what makes you think Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas wouldn't get relegated first?
 
glenn1 said:
If like Texas did, Puerto Rico wants to cede a big portion of its land to the federal government in return for debt relief to allow statehood I’m be okay with exploring that option. Cede Viequez Island to the Navy for starters then some other prime main island real estate for the feds?
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Lol, so disingenuous. You do realize that Texas became a state first and then five years later agreed to the deal you quoted. The debt wasn't paid off until 50 years later.

So yeah lets make a deal with Puerto Rico where they become a state and then we can talk about debt.
 
What bothers me most about McConnell's agenda is that he will be legislating to us from the grave for many years after he's gone to hell.

His gravestone will probably read something like "Ha ha fuck you I win".
 
How the hell is making dc a state socialism? Most of dc's taxes are going to freaking red states I would guess. If McConnell is really so anti socialism maybe have his home state Kentucky stop importing federal dollars from wealthy areas like DC.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Sure, when do we move Alabam to the JV league?
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Toss Kansas in there as well,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment?wprov=sfla1

By early 2017, Kansas had "nine rounds of budget cuts over four years, three credit downgrades, missed state payments", and what the Atlantic called "an ongoing atmosphere of fiscal crisis". To make up the budget shortfall, lawmakers tapped into state reserves set aside for future spending, postponed construction projects and pension contributions, and cut Medicaid benefits. Since approximately half of the state's budget went to school funding, education was particularly hard hit.

In addition to budget problems, Kansas was lagging behind neighboring states with similar economies in "nearly every major category: job creation, unemployment, gross domestic product, taxes collected".


If you read through that wiki page, brownbacks tax cuts were devastating, and worse....kobach wanted to do it again.

You can see the same mindset from the republicans in the fed too.
 
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glenn1 said:
We shouldn’t even consider Puerto Rico for statehood unless and until they pay their defaulted government debts in full. Which means it will never happen. There's no reason to reward acknowledged deadbeats with statehood, especially since if they do gain statehood that debt will be completely unrecoverable.
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might as well kick all of the redstates out of the Union, then, if what you care about really is state debt that they can never pay.

oh wait, no, you actually don't care about that, lol. all you see is browns and poors.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Toss Kansas in there as well,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment?wprov=sfla1

By early 2017, Kansas had "nine rounds of budget cuts over four years, three credit downgrades, missed state payments", and what the Atlantic called "an ongoing atmosphere of fiscal crisis". To make up the budget shortfall, lawmakers tapped into state reserves set aside for future spending, postponed construction projects and pension contributions, and cut Medicaid benefits. Since approximately half of the state's budget went to school funding, education was particularly hard hit.

In addition to budget problems, Kansas was lagging behind neighboring states with similar economies in "nearly every major category: job creation, unemployment, gross domestic product, taxes collected".


If you read through that wiki page, brownbacks tax cuts were devastating, and worse....kobach wanted to do it again.

You can see the same mindset from the republicans in the fed too.
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I saw recently that the Kansas Supreme Court ok'ed the Rubs education cuts (you know the ones that the Rubs were so scared would be declared unconstitutional that they tried to rule that the Kansas courts shouldn't be allowed to rule on them by trying to dismiss the judges). Kansas is going to be fucked for decades.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Toss Kansas in there as well,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment?wprov=sfla1

By early 2017, Kansas had "nine rounds of budget cuts over four years, three credit downgrades, missed state payments", and what the Atlantic called "an ongoing atmosphere of fiscal crisis". To make up the budget shortfall, lawmakers tapped into state reserves set aside for future spending, postponed construction projects and pension contributions, and cut Medicaid benefits. Since approximately half of the state's budget went to school funding, education was particularly hard hit.

In addition to budget problems, Kansas was lagging behind neighboring states with similar economies in "nearly every major category: job creation, unemployment, gross domestic product, taxes collected".


If you read through that wiki page, brownbacks tax cuts were devastating, and worse....kobach wanted to do it again.

You can see the same mindset from the republicans in the fed too.
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Why not go all out. Negative taxes for the win. That will surely bring in more companies.
 
TheVrolok said:
It's interesting that glenn doesn't seem to want to respond to certain posts. I can't imagine why.
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Which posts? The ones about Texas debt in the 1850s? We shouldn't have let them bring their debt into statehood anymore than we should have let them bring slavery, but we did and we shouldn't repeat the mistake.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Toss Kansas in there as well,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment?wprov=sfla1

By early 2017, Kansas had "nine rounds of budget cuts over four years, three credit downgrades, missed state payments", and what the Atlantic called "an ongoing atmosphere of fiscal crisis". To make up the budget shortfall, lawmakers tapped into state reserves set aside for future spending, postponed construction projects and pension contributions, and cut Medicaid benefits. Since approximately half of the state's budget went to school funding, education was particularly hard hit.

In addition to budget problems, Kansas was lagging behind neighboring states with similar economies in "nearly every major category: job creation, unemployment, gross domestic product, taxes collected".


If you read through that wiki page, brownbacks tax cuts were devastating, and worse....kobach wanted to do it again.

You can see the same mindset from the republicans in the fed too.
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And who was the architect of the Kansa tax cut scheme??? None other than Arthur Laffer, Mr. Trickledown himself, who the stable genius just awarded the Medal of Freedom to.

And his explanation on why it didn't work.....they rolled back the tax cuts too soon :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:
 
uallas5 said:
And who was the architect of the Kansa tax cut scheme??? None other than Arthur Laffer, Mr. Trickledown himself, who the stable genius just awarded the Medal of Freedom to.

And his explanation on why it didn't work.....they rolled back the tax cuts too soon :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:
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Market timing, a fools errand.
 
uallas5 said:
And who was the architect of the Kansa tax cut scheme??? None other than Arthur Laffer, Mr. Trickledown himself, who the stable genius just awarded the Medal of Freedom to.

And his explanation on why it didn't work.....they rolled back the tax cuts too soon :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:
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That man is such a fucking idiot. Why does anyone listen to him?
 
ewdotson said:
Because he tells them what they want to hear. It really is that simple. 🙁
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I think its a little more nuanced than that. They know its rotten policy, but Republicans still need someone with actual economic credentials so that they don't have to just outright say that they're wanting to enrich the wealthiest at the expense of everyone else (because that tends to not go over well). So they trot out people like this guy otherwise they'd be stuck trotting out people that know less than nothing about economics and would make such complete fools of themselves that it'd reveal just how dumb and evil they are. People like this guy gives them the appearance of legitimacy to people that aren't capable of understanding such a topic. Same reason why they trot out those few persons with some legit scientific credentials that are willing to support their claims to argue against the overwhelming consensus on stuff like climate change, evolution, biology, etc. They're trying to make the two sides seem equal to moderates and average people that don't have the knowledge or time/interest to gain the knowledge to know.
 
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