McCain's speech

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gorobei
Whoever is writing McCain's speeches should be fired.

McCain's entire campaign staff should be fired.

All his speeches feel like they're held at nursing homes. He draws crowds that couldn't fill a Denny's on Sunday morning.

The reason the crowd doesn't know when to clap, cheer or boo, is because McCain's delivery is robotic. I think the cancer surgery removed some of his ability to deliver facial expressions. He'll deliver a fiery line with a blank stare then follow it up with a smile, and everyone in the crowd can't figure out whether to react or stare.

I couldn't put my finger on it but you nailed it. Robotic is the right word. Dare I say, 'Mr Roboto'? He has zero charisma. Please, please, please don't let him be the next face of our nation.

I was listening to Obama try to explain away his relationship with his church and pastors the other day during that press conference and he was pretty horrible, worse than McCain's speech.

I think McCain would make a pretty good nation face.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: loki8481

The guy is old and looks it.

he's in good company with Reagan, Churchill, and Golda Meir.

http://www.economist.com/world...00512&CFTOKEN=72276940

I was expecting that comment. The truth is, these old leaders ACT THEIR AGE. Just because the world has had very old leaders before doesn't mean they're any good or performed as they were in their youths.

 

[GoingUp]

That was a terrible speech.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Change? What change do you speak of, Kimosabe?

McCain is attempting to represent a change in personality as a change in policy when it's not, at all. Dems will nail him to the mast of the SS Bush, one point, one policy, one position at a time, because that's where he's standing, that's the ship he's sailing, try as he might to rename it...

She was ridin' low in the water when he jumped aboard, and the rats are coming up out of the bilges, but she's his last chance to fulfill his life's ambition, to become the President...

Yeah, Hillary tried the change slogan too and it didn't work. People just didn't buy it.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gorobei
Whoever is writing McCain's speeches should be fired.

McCain's entire campaign staff should be fired.

All his speeches feel like they're held at nursing homes. He draws crowds that couldn't fill a Denny's on Sunday morning.

The reason the crowd doesn't know when to clap, cheer or boo, is because McCain's delivery is robotic. I think the cancer surgery removed some of his ability to deliver facial expressions. He'll deliver a fiery line with a blank stare then follow it up with a smile, and everyone in the crowd can't figure out whether to react or stare.

I couldn't put my finger on it but you nailed it. Robotic is the right word. Dare I say, 'Mr Roboto'? He has zero charisma. Please, please, please don't let him be the next face of our nation.

I was listening to Obama try to explain away his relationship with his church and pastors the other day during that press conference and he was pretty horrible, worse than McCain's speech.

I think McCain would make a pretty good nation face.

This wasn't a press conference. This was a staged event that kicked off his campaign with millions of viewers and it was brutal. The delivery was terrible and it looked like it was held in my high school gym. No wait, my middle school gym with AARP attendees.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gorobei
Whoever is writing McCain's speeches should be fired.

McCain's entire campaign staff should be fired.

All his speeches feel like they're held at nursing homes. He draws crowds that couldn't fill a Denny's on Sunday morning.

The reason the crowd doesn't know when to clap, cheer or boo, is because McCain's delivery is robotic. I think the cancer surgery removed some of his ability to deliver facial expressions. He'll deliver a fiery line with a blank stare then follow it up with a smile, and everyone in the crowd can't figure out whether to react or stare.

I couldn't put my finger on it but you nailed it. Robotic is the right word. Dare I say, 'Mr Roboto'? He has zero charisma. Please, please, please don't let him be the next face of our nation.

I was listening to Obama try to explain away his relationship with his church and pastors the other day during that press conference and he was pretty horrible, worse than McCain's speech.

I think McCain would make a pretty good nation face.

This wasn't a press conference. This was a staged event that kicked off his campaign with millions of viewers and it was brutal. The delivery was terrible and it looked like it was held in my high school gym. No wait, my middle school gym with AARP attendees.

:laugh:

Even more embarrassing when you realize that McCain has had this date circled on his calendar for months. He knew the national spotlight would be on him tonight and he brought some seriously weak shit.

 

[NFS4]

I say we start a new drinking for every time he says "My Friends"

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gorobei
Whoever is writing McCain's speeches should be fired.

McCain's entire campaign staff should be fired.

All his speeches feel like they're held at nursing homes. He draws crowds that couldn't fill a Denny's on Sunday morning.

The reason the crowd doesn't know when to clap, cheer or boo, is because McCain's delivery is robotic. I think the cancer surgery removed some of his ability to deliver facial expressions. He'll deliver a fiery line with a blank stare then follow it up with a smile, and everyone in the crowd can't figure out whether to react or stare.

I couldn't put my finger on it but you nailed it. Robotic is the right word. Dare I say, 'Mr Roboto'? He has zero charisma. Please, please, please don't let him be the next face of our nation.

I was listening to Obama try to explain away his relationship with his church and pastors the other day during that press conference and he was pretty horrible, worse than McCain's speech.

I think McCain would make a pretty good nation face.

This wasn't a press conference. This was a staged event that kicked off his campaign with millions of viewers and it was brutal. The delivery was terrible and it looked like it was held in my high school gym. No wait, my middle school gym with AARP attendees.

:laugh:

Even more embarrassing when you realize that McCain has had this date circled on his calendar for months. He knew the national spotlight would be on him tonight and he brought some seriously weak shit.

He's always a bit groggy after getting up from his late day nap.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Congratulations President McCain

6-3-2008 Why Obama cannot beat McCain

Ickes on Obama

Clinton, a New York Senator, "has proven her ability to stand up to very harsh incoming fire and give as good as she gets," Ickes said in a Tuesday afternoon interview with Politico. "I'm not at all confident that Obama has the experience to do that."

Ickes talked to Politico after being confronted with comments he made May 1 in a previously unreported telephone call with top donors to Clinton's presidential campaign.

"The fact is: He is not going to be able to win the general election against John McCain. That is the message. As you all talk to uncommitted superdelegates - and you know a lot of them - that is the message that has to be pressed."

"McCain will have a real reach with Hispanics because of his position on the immigration issue," Ickes said Tuesday. "And it is my view and the view of a lot of people as they look at this that with respect to that particular demographic - that is Hispanics - that Hillary will be stronger with Hispanics than Barack Obama will," he said.

In the call, he was more definitive about Obama's prospects with Hispanics

"If Obama is against McCain in states where Hispanics are important, I'll just tell you: he's not going to be able to cut the mustard," Ickes said.

Seriously, are you actually attempting to quote the guy who was in charge of the Clinton campaign's effort to sway the RBC with electability arguments... as a legitimate source for electability arguments? He has an obvious agenda.

I'm still offering to make a bet with you on who wins this election. If McCain is such a sure thing, what's the holdup? You can name the stakes. Honestly, I think you just like to complain. You'll probably be miserable when the Democrats win because it will deprive you of so many things to be mad about.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gorobei
Whoever is writing McCain's speeches should be fired.

McCain's entire campaign staff should be fired.

All his speeches feel like they're held at nursing homes. He draws crowds that couldn't fill a Denny's on Sunday morning.

I'll take substance over emotion any day of the week.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gorobei
Whoever is writing McCain's speeches should be fired.

McCain's entire campaign staff should be fired.

All his speeches feel like they're held at nursing homes. He draws crowds that couldn't fill a Denny's on Sunday morning.

I'll take substance over emotion any day of the week.

Sure you will - as long as it means the 'substance' of continuing the fundie agenda. No thanks. That act got us GWB #2. This miserable series doesn't need a trilogy for closure.

 

[Bitek]

Wow...that was bad. Senseamp can go ahead and vote for McCain, at least he'll get a few votes.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gorobei
Whoever is writing McCain's speeches should be fired.

McCain's entire campaign staff should be fired.

All his speeches feel like they're held at nursing homes. He draws crowds that couldn't fill a Denny's on Sunday morning.

I'll take substance over emotion any day of the week.

Sure you will - as long as it means the 'substance' of continuing the fundie agenda. No thanks. That act got us GWB #2. This miserable series doesn't need a trilogy for closure.

1 - Stop stalking me
2- I'd rather have GWB #2 than Carter #2

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gorobei
Whoever is writing McCain's speeches should be fired.

McCain's entire campaign staff should be fired.

All his speeches feel like they're held at nursing homes. He draws crowds that couldn't fill a Denny's on Sunday morning.

I'll take substance over emotion any day of the week.

Has he finally decided what "substance" he's going to run on yet? Or still having trouble trying to find that Bush/not-Bush sweet spot?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Hafen

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gorobei
Whoever is writing McCain's speeches should be fired.

McCain's entire campaign staff should be fired.

All his speeches feel like they're held at nursing homes. He draws crowds that couldn't fill a Denny's on Sunday morning.

I'll take substance over emotion any day of the week.

Has he finally decided what "substance" he's going to run on yet? Or still having trouble trying to find that Bush/not-Bush sweet spot?

Substance is one of those great words that can pretty much mean whatever you want it to. You can accuse people of not having it, but when someone calls you on it... you can pretty much point to anything and say, "see!?".

It's just Corbett though, trust me if McCain had just delivered a soaring oratory short on 'substance', he would be all excited about McCain's 'leadership'. (by the way when your candidate evokes feeling it's called leadership, when the other candidate does it it's called pandering/emotion/whatever)

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

It's just Corbett though, trust me if McCain had just delivered a soaring oratory short on 'substance', he would be all excited about McCain's 'leadership'. (by the way when your candidate evokes feeling it's called leadership, when the other candidate does it it's called pandering/emotion/whatever)

McCain is not my candidate.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Corbett
I'd rather have GWB #2

You and 29% of Americans.

Good luck! :laugh:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: eskimospy

It's just Corbett though, trust me if McCain had just delivered a soaring oratory short on 'substance', he would be all excited about McCain's 'leadership'. (by the way when your candidate evokes feeling it's called leadership, when the other candidate does it it's called pandering/emotion/whatever)

McCain is not my candidate.

Fine, but he's certainly the person you want to win the election out of the two choices available.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: eskimospy

It's just Corbett though, trust me if McCain had just delivered a soaring oratory short on 'substance', he would be all excited about McCain's 'leadership'. (by the way when your candidate evokes feeling it's called leadership, when the other candidate does it it's called pandering/emotion/whatever)

McCain is not my candidate.

Fine, but he's certainly the person you want to win the election out of the two choices available.

You're right. I believe McCain is the lesser of two evils. However, that still doesnt make what you said originally about my thoughts on McCain true. I've never been "excited" about him, and doubt I ever could be.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: gorobei
Whoever is writing McCain's speeches should be fired.

McCain's entire campaign staff should be fired.

All his speeches feel like they're held at nursing homes. He draws crowds that couldn't fill a Denny's on Sunday morning.

I'll take substance over emotion any day of the week.

Sure you will - as long as it means the 'substance' of continuing the fundie agenda. No thanks. That act got us GWB #2. This miserable series doesn't need a trilogy for closure.

1 - Stop stalking me
2- I'd rather have GWB #2 than Carter #2

1. Stalking? You think way too much of yourself. Isn't that a sin?
2. Of course you would.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: eskimospy

It's just Corbett though, trust me if McCain had just delivered a soaring oratory short on 'substance', he would be all excited about McCain's 'leadership'. (by the way when your candidate evokes feeling it's called leadership, when the other candidate does it it's called pandering/emotion/whatever)

McCain is not my candidate.

Fine, but he's certainly the person you want to win the election out of the two choices available.

You're right. I believe McCain is the lesser of two evils. However, that still doesnt make what you said originally about my thoughts on McCain true. I've never been "excited" about him, and doubt I ever could be.

That one was so easy I'll just leave it be.

 

[RKDaley]

That was awful.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Robor
1. Stalking? You think way too much of yourself. Isn't that a sin?
2. Of course you would.

You reply to almost all of my posts, wether they are directed towards you or not.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: eskimospy

It's just Corbett though, trust me if McCain had just delivered a soaring oratory short on 'substance', he would be all excited about McCain's 'leadership'. (by the way when your candidate evokes feeling it's called leadership, when the other candidate does it it's called pandering/emotion/whatever)

McCain is not my candidate.

Fine, but he's certainly the person you want to win the election out of the two choices available.

You're right. I believe McCain is the lesser of two evils. However, that still doesnt make what you said originally about my thoughts on McCain true. I've never been "excited" about him, and doubt I ever could be.

I might have poorly communicated my point. I mostly meant that substance and emotion can be turned to suit whatever part of the candidate you want to win's speech is convenient at the time.

 

[jpeyton]

A quick list of reactions:

It may be a superficial quip with Senator McCain's speech tonight, but as Marc Ambinder of the Atlantic noted, in presidential politics, "theatrics matter."

The choice of a lime green backdrop was, to put it kindly, not wise. Beyond representing a jarring visual for even the most colorblind political viewer, the set up was clearly a distraction from the speech itself. Take a look at some of the reviews:

Ambinder: "I wish I had a screen grab... but the green background is very weird and very jarring. On this stage, theatrics matter."

Matt Yglesias notes: "...it's interesting that he's shifted his aesthetic from his old black and white 'fascist' aesthetic to a new green and white Islamofascist aesthetic."

Andrew Sullivan: "From the re-branded green background to the silly attempt to capitalize on Democratic divisions to the Clintonian cooptation of an Obama meme - "a leader we can believe in" - McCain's opening gambit in the general election was, in my judgment, underwhelming."

Atrios: "It'll make you look like the cottage cheese in a lime jello salad. Always a good look for an older gentlemen... The aesthetics of McCain's speech, just mercifully completed before a slightly energized crowd of literally dozens, was awesome in how dreadful it was. No matter what Harold Ford thinks, who was somehow thoroughly moved by lime-jello McCain.

From TPM: This is not to distract from McCain's address; that too was poorly reviewed. The most biting of the criticisms came from CNN's Jeffrey Toobin, who intoned, moments after its conclusion: "That was awful! That was pathetic!"

Josh Marshall, over at TPM, noted: "Here's how bad it is. All the Fox commentators are giving competing explanation for why McCain's speech sucked."

But if you think this was strictly a liberal prerogative, here is a sampling of the Republican response to McCain's general election launch.

Here's Mark Levin over at National Review's The Corner: "Not to offend those who might be offended, but this speech is a mash and tough to digest. You have to get through the self-congratulatory praise of independence and commander-in-chief pose from the Senate, then you have to try to follow the inconsistency of some of his big-government ideas vs. his anti-big-government rhetoric, and his inconsistency even on his supposed strength -- the surge in Iraq vs. closing GITMO and conferring additional rights on the detainees."

Summing up GOP sentiment was prominent Republican media consultant, Alex Castellanos, speaking on CNN: "Last I checked this was not a speech-making contest, thank God."