McCain want to free "Teh Internets"

[Carmen813]

Why do we need to change a system that isn't broken?

 

[her209]

Why is it acceptable for my ISP to block incoming/outgoing connection to port 25? In other words, if you want to send e-mail, you have to relay your mail through the ISP's mail server. And forget about trying to run your own e-mail server.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: her209
Why is it acceptable for my ISP to block incoming/outgoing connection to port 25? In other words, if you want to send e-mail, you have to relay your mail through the ISP's mail server. And forget about trying to run your own e-mail server.

They do it because in 99.999999% of those situations, it is spam from a compromised computer.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Why do we need to change a system that isn't broken?

Because the "progressives" think corporations are stealing too much of our money and freedoms.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Why do we need to change a system that isn't broken?

Because the "progressives" think corporations are stealing too much of our money and freedoms.

The funny thing is that corporations can go out of business. Once the government steals your money/freedoms you can't put it out of business.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: her209
Why is it acceptable for my ISP to block incoming/outgoing connection to port 25? In other words, if you want to send e-mail, you have to relay your mail through the ISP's mail server. And forget about trying to run your own e-mail server.

They do it because in 99.999999% of those situations, it is spam from a compromised computer.

My e-mails aren't spam.

 

[Pulsar]

I'm betting you aren't allowed to run any kind of server at all. For many reasons.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: her209
Why is it acceptable for my ISP to block incoming/outgoing connection to port 25? In other words, if you want to send e-mail, you have to relay your mail through the ISP's mail server. And forget about trying to run your own e-mail server.

They do it because in 99.999999% of those situations, it is spam from a compromised computer.

My e-mails aren't spam.

I never said they were.

And even if you were set up with an ISP who allowed you to run a mail server like that, most other mail servers across the internet will reject incoming emails from you as originating from a suspect source.

Just admit you've never administered an email server for paying customers who do not appreciate spam accounting for 99% of their inbox.

Yes, spam controls probably infringe on our right to free speech. *However*, the lack of spam controls severely cripple the ability for anyone to effectively handle email services.

You can run your own email service, you just have to play by the rules everyone else does.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Pulsar
I'm betting you aren't allowed to run any kind of server at all. For many reasons.

Yep, and this pisses me off. The ISPs destroyed the whole idea of a peer to peer network and they did it out of greed. By artificially splitting up services between net access and hosting they were able to make more money. The only reason the computer I'm typing at right now can't also be my web server is that my ISP (and every other ISP I've ever heard of) wants to charge me to store web content on their machines and charge me for the privilege.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Now for my hackery, net neutrality is typically supported by (1) people who live their lives based on the assumption that all corporations are greedy wealth-hoarders bent on destroying America for their personal gain,

uhh that sounds accurate. Profits are all that matter to corporations.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Why do we need to change a system that isn't broken?

Because the system was changed to be broken when net neutrality got dumped. Restoring net neutrality returns to the status quo when the system flourished, people lived happy lives, puppies were honestly happy, and tall hogs couldn't squeeze everybody else off the net.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Why do we need to change a system that isn't broken?

Because the system was changed to be broken when net neutrality got dumped. Restoring net neutrality returns to the status quo when the system flourished, people lived happy lives, puppies were honestly happy, and tall hogs couldn't squeeze everybody else off the net.

The system was changed when too many flocked to running p2p filesharing applications 24/7.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Now for my hackery, net neutrality is typically supported by (1) people who live their lives based on the assumption that all corporations are greedy wealth-hoarders bent on destroying America for their personal gain,

uhh that sounds accurate. Profits are all that matter to corporations.

You say that just as easily as I can say "Control is all that matters to the government."

Profits are not a bad thing. And if you'd go out and live in the real world some time, you'd realize that many corporations do care about many other things.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Just admit you've never administered an email server for paying customers who do not appreciate spam accounting for 99% of their inbox.

I've administered an e-mail server for my company. Don't make ASSumptions.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Pulsar
I'm betting you aren't allowed to run any kind of server at all. For many reasons.

Yep, and this pisses me off. The ISPs destroyed the whole idea of a peer to peer network and they did it out of greed. By artificially splitting up services between net access and hosting they were able to make more money. The only reason the computer I'm typing at right now can't also be my web server is that my ISP (and every other ISP I've ever heard of) wants to charge me to store web content on their machines and charge me for the privilege.

That's only for residential service and the associated low cost. Business or "real" internet connections there is no blocking of anything and you can run servers and fill the pip 24x7 without concern.

If you want to run servers and have bandwidth/service level guarantees then get a business service.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
You say that just as easily as I can say "Control is all that matters to the government."

Profits are not a bad thing. And if you'd go out and live in the real world some time, you'd realize that many corporations do care about many other things.

I like lalaland. Please give me examples of other things corporations care about? I know they do things like the "Ronald McDonald house" but that's really just a tax shelter and lets all feel good about eating McDonalds thing -hence increasing profits.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: cubby1223
You say that just as easily as I can say "Control is all that matters to the government."

Profits are not a bad thing. And if you'd go out and live in the real world some time, you'd realize that many corporations do care about many other things.

I like lalaland. Please give me examples of other things corporations care about? I know they do things like the "Ronald McDonald house" but that's really just a tax shelter and lets all feel good about eating McDonalds thing -hence increasing profits.

Do you know how much companies and their employees do with United Way and other volunteer activities?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Just admit you've never administered an email server for paying customers who do not appreciate spam accounting for 99% of their inbox.

I've administered an e-mail server for my company. Don't make ASSumptions.

Then you should already have known why those spam controls are in place. And you should also already know the proper steps to set up an email server that the rest of the world will recognize as legitimate.

Why you posted what you did in this thread, my assumptions are very safe ones to make.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I like lalaland.

Then it's fitting that this is where you reside :roll:

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Pulsar
I'm betting you aren't allowed to run any kind of server at all. For many reasons.

Yep, and this pisses me off. The ISPs destroyed the whole idea of a peer to peer network and they did it out of greed. By artificially splitting up services between net access and hosting they were able to make more money. The only reason the computer I'm typing at right now can't also be my web server is that my ISP (and every other ISP I've ever heard of) wants to charge me to store web content on their machines and charge me for the privilege.

That's only for residential service and the associated low cost. Business or "real" internet connections there is no blocking of anything and you can run servers and fill the pip 24x7 without concern.

If you want to run servers and have bandwidth/service level guarantees then get a business service.

Yep.

But they will never understand this. And unfortunately they are very effective at being loud and obnoxious :roll:

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Patranus
It is not like bandwidth is an unlimited resource. Companies have to do something to ensure that ALL users have an agreeable experience.

I already have an agreeable experience. I don't need the ISP to cut up the net.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Phokus
http://thedailyvoice.com/voice...esnt-know-h-000740.php

John McCain says he doesn't know how to use a computer. In a video interview with Yahoo's Political team and Politico.com, McCain admitted he is computer illiterate. When asked if he preferred a Mac or a PC, McCain said "neither."

"I am a illiterate that has to rely on my wife for all the assistance I can get," McCain said. In a computer-dominated world, McCain's professed computer ignorance may raise questions again about his age. At 71, he is seeking to become the oldest person ever elected president of the United States.

I can't believe this fucking idiot is drafting a bill like this.

so then, only people with knowledge of the banking industry should be in charge of banking related procedure? aka, the only people should be from GS, etc...???

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Now for my hackery, net neutrality is typically supported by (1) people who live their lives based on the assumption that all corporations are greedy wealth-hoarders bent on destroying America for their personal gain,

uhh that sounds accurate. Profits are all that matter to corporations.

You say that just as easily as I can say "Control is all that matters to the government."

Profits are not a bad thing. And if you'd go out and live in the real world some time, you'd realize that many corporations do care about many other things.

There are so many examples of completely screwed up scenarios when companies are left alone to do as they please.(Cell phones, Broadband access in the US just to name two incredibly major screw ups)

One must be living in a fairy tale land if they think there are more than a handful of companies that wouldn't be willing to sacrifice people and the country(or anything for that matter) to make a buck.

Net Neutrality ensures that the companies can't get together and block out information. There are some minor drawbacks, but none of them are even remotely in the same league as the problems that Net Neutrality laws will prevent.

 

[spidey07]

Net Neutrality is the absolute worst thing that could happen to the Internet. It will basically stop the development and future of it as a single network for voice, video and data. Putting us into the dark ages of networking where everything is best effort delivery which equals poor delivery. You absolutely don't want this crap.

 

[piasabird]

Net neutrality might also help terrorists to communicate freely. If nothing can be blocked and nothing can be inspected then the virus and worms can freely infect everyone's computer almost immediately. Then also the Zombie computers can be created so that hackers can attack freely and without impunity. What we really need is some realistic laws and procedures so that we can protect privacy and try to insure security. I dont think I should have to pay for commercial sized downloads and game servers because people are too cheap to purchase a commercial license. We need common sense and a way to identify perpetrators on the Internet. I think an ISP should be able to block nuisence traffic on their own network.

Contrary to popular belief the Internet is mostly a connection of privately owned networks.