"Maybe they should have looked in the trunk?"

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Linflas
So if I read that article right given that in todays society someone has to absolutely responsible for every tragic occurance they are now looking for a way to blame the searchers for this?

Yup, if I were the police I'd charge the parents with criminal negligence

I would charge no one. The parents are going to be punishing themselves for the rest of their lives, nothing the criminal justice system can do to them will come anywhere close to that. Tragic things happen sometimes that cannot be blamed on any 1 individual but we as a society seem to have lost sight of that in our rush to try and make every single person safe from every possible bad thing that can befall them.

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: Sqube
So... the insane amounts of time you spend on this board remain unjustified.

No.

I've now learned that the overuse of things like "teh," OMGWTFBBQ, calling people trolls, saying "makes baby Jesus cry" after everything, and making constant referances to homosexuality no matter how obscure the connection to that particular sexual preference will not only make me cool, it will give me a bigger e-penis.

Your faith in my ability to learn in even the most dire circumstances makes teh baby jesus cry.

See! Look!

It's growing!

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Linflas
So if I read that article right given that in todays society someone has to absolutely responsible for every tragic occurance they are now looking for a way to blame the searchers for this?

Yup, if I were the police I'd charge the parents with criminal negligence

I would charge no one. The parents are going to be punishing themselves for the rest of their lives, nothing the criminal justice system can do to them will come anywhere close to that. Tragic things happen sometimes that cannot be blamed on any 1 individual but we as a society seem to have lost sight of that in our rush to try and make every single person safe from every possible bad thing that can befall them.

They are blaming the police for their own stupidity

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: Sqube
So... the insane amounts of time you spend on this board remain unjustified.

Troll
Troll
Troll your boat....

:Q

 

[Literati]

OMGWTFBBQ!

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Linflas
So if I read that article right given that in todays society someone has to absolutely responsible for every tragic occurance they are now looking for a way to blame the searchers for this?

Yup, if I were the police I'd charge the parents with criminal negligence

I would charge no one. The parents are going to be punishing themselves for the rest of their lives, nothing the criminal justice system can do to them will come anywhere close to that. Tragic things happen sometimes that cannot be blamed on any 1 individual but we as a society seem to have lost sight of that in our rush to try and make every single person safe from every possible bad thing that can befall them.

They are blaming the police for their own stupidity

I see that after re-reading it. If it were my kids and I had even the slightest suspicion they may have been in the trunk of a car in my yard I would have checked it myself even if I did assume the police had checked it. When one of our pets has turned up missing I know we have checked every possible place in our house 4-5 times until they turn up, I can't imagine not doing the same and more for your kids.

 

[KarenMarie]

Things I have learned about this case... that I should have posted in my thread on this subject, but will post here:

The grandmother said she was only gone for 5-10 minutes. Which cannot be true, cause she said she went to make dinner. Now, unless she was using a microwave to reheat some fast food, it would have taken her more than 5 minutes to make dinner.

The car was full of bags of cement. They said that all this cement and the dust it created, hastened the suffocation of these boys. If a cop went over and looked in the back seat, he would have seen all these bags of cement there and figured the kids would not fit in the car. He was not aware that the trunk was broken or whether or not the trunck was full of cement or just the back seat was. He probably look at the back seat, saw it piled with stuff and assumed that the trunk was the same. Poor assumption, yes... criminally negligent?... dont think so.

This is not the first time these kids have played in this car. The car belonged to the grandmother of one of the boys and the fmaily has said that they played in there before. One would think that if parents are gonna let little boys this age and mental capacity go unattended and unsupervised, they would look at all the placed they play when their kids go missing. Failing the fact that they did not look themselves, they should have mentioned this area and the car to the police when they were making a list of all the places the kids liked to play or where they might be.

I find it incredible to believe that in all the time the kids were missing NO ONE thought... hmmm...they like to play in the car, let me go look... instead they did not look in the car until they needed jumper cables for something else.

This sucks. The whole thing sucks. Three little boys are dead and it is a total tragedy. But ... I think that if the parents are not gonna watch their own kids... who go missing... and they do not look for them where they know the kids like to play... then they should at least be complete/detailed in telling the cops where to look.

I would bet that the cop who checked the back seat, but not the trunk, is probably feeling like sh!t right now and will for a long time to come. I do not see how possible lawsuits/disciplinary action will help this situation... except to make him feel worse.. and more likely... to ease the guilt of the parents who were not watching their children and did not look in known likely places themselves.

:|

 

[KeyserSoze]

I really didn't think that trunks were airtight!



KS

 

[Manchurian Candidate]

this might sound mean, but stupidity all around.

 

[NuroMancer]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Things I have learned about this case... that I should have posted in my thread on this subject, but will post here:

The grandmother said she was only gone for 5-10 minutes. Which cannot be true, cause she said she went to make dinner. Now, unless she was using a microwave to reheat some fast food, it would have taken her more than 5 minutes to make dinner.

The car was full of bags of cement. They said that all this cement and the dust it created, hastened the suffocation of these boys. If a cop went over and looked in the back seat, he would have seen all these bags of cement there and figured the kids would not fit in the car. He was not aware that the trunk was broken or whether or not the trunck was full of cement or just the back seat was. He probably look at the back seat, saw it piled with stuff and assumed that the trunk was the same. Poor assumption, yes... criminally negligent?... dont think so.

This is not the first time these kids have played in this car. The car belonged to the grandmother of one of the boys and the fmaily has said that they played in there before. One would think that if parents are gonna let little boys this age and mental capacity go unattended and unsupervised, they would look at all the placed they play when their kids go missing. Failing the fact that they did not look themselves, they should have mentioned this area and the car to the police when they were making a list of all the places the kids liked to play or where they might be.

I find it incredible to believe that in all the time the kids were missing NO ONE thought... hmmm...they like to play in the car, let me go look... instead they did not look in the car until they needed jumper cables for something else.

This sucks. The whole thing sucks. Three little boys are dead and it is a total tragedy. But ... I think that if the parents are not gonna watch their own kids... who go missing... and they do not look for them where they know the kids like to play... then they should at least be complete/detailed in telling the cops where to look.

I would bet that the cop who checked the back seat, but not the trunk, is probably feeling like sh!t right now and will for a long time to come. I do not see how possible lawsuits/disciplinary action will help this situation... except to make him feel worse.. and more likely... to ease the guilt of the parents who were not watching their children and did not look in known likely places themselves.

:|

Agreed, and I just want to add thing/question, did the cops even gets keys to grandma's car? Becuase if they didn't then DUH, no the cops didn't search the car, and I don't see why grandma would have given up her keys, she probally just thought to check in the car via the windows. 2. How did the kids get in the car? with grandma's keys? no one noticed the keys to the trunk were missing when they went to search the car?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
well technically, the police wold have needed a search warrant to search the trunk of the car.

Or permission from the owner, which they would have surely gotten.

Regardless, I doubt the kids were still alive, they'd have to have been able to make enough noise to be heard by people searching a few inches away from them. It was pretty hot last week, I imagine much hotter in the truck of a car that has 3 kids in it.

I don't think that article mentioned that one of the parents is also blaming the kid because his kid has ADHD and the state wouldn't take him away from him.

 

[waggy]

Ok if the kids were missing and they had already yelled at them for playing in the car WTF did they not look there!??

though i am suprised the police didnt either.

This is a tragic story all way around. but i hope the parents lose and made to look teh fool.

 

[Mucho]

This remids me of a case here in Toronto where an elderly patient went missing at a hospital for three days a massive search failed to find her, it turned she was trapped in a hospital elevator.

 

[Leper Messiah]

it used to be refrigerators, now its car trunks. Gar. Darwin always wins.

 

[sygyzy]

Why is everyone getting on the father's case for just questioning police tactics. Everyone is clearly at fault here. Remember, this was a state of panic and hysteria. You don't always think in a logical manner. I do think that both the parents and police should have looked in the trunk. I don't think either should have done it earlier or later or before or after. They should have just done it at some point. I missed the part where the father was SUING the city or police. Where is that? I don't think he is. I think if your kids died, you would go back and question everything the police did in addition to what you did (or didn't do).

I am also not sure what relevance the fact that the kids played in the trunk "before" has to this case. You can go back and look at all the kidnapping or missing children cases and say "Once little Charlie played at the park, we should look there." Do they play in the abandoned car EVERYDAY? Do they play in the trunk all the time? Probably not.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
Why is everyone getting on the father's case for just questioning police tactics. Everyone is clearly at fault here. Remember, this was a state of panic and hysteria. You don't always think in a logical manner. I do think that both the parents and police should have looked in the trunk. I don't think either should have done it earlier or later or before or after. They should have just done it at some point. I missed the part where the father was SUING the city or police. Where is that? I don't think he is. I think if your kids died, you would go back and question everything the police did in addition to what you did (or didn't do).

I am also not sure what relevance the fact that the kids played in the trunk "before" has to this case. You can go back and look at all the kidnapping or missing children cases and say "Once little Charlie played at the park, we should look there." Do they play in the abandoned car EVERYDAY? Do they play in the trunk all the time? Probably not.

Yes, but based on the father's quotes in the article, it sounds as though he's questioning why the police didn't look in the trunk. There's no mention of "WE" referring to both him and the police -- which leads me to believe he's pointing the finger.

And besides, he's still got plenty of time to sue the city and/or police. A local ambulance chaser has probably already contacted him and it wouldn't suprise me at all if a suit arises out of this tragedy.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: sygyzy
Why is everyone getting on the father's case for just questioning police tactics. Everyone is clearly at fault here. Remember, this was a state of panic and hysteria. You don't always think in a logical manner. I do think that both the parents and police should have looked in the trunk. I don't think either should have done it earlier or later or before or after. They should have just done it at some point. I missed the part where the father was SUING the city or police. Where is that? I don't think he is. I think if your kids died, you would go back and question everything the police did in addition to what you did (or didn't do).

I am also not sure what relevance the fact that the kids played in the trunk "before" has to this case. You can go back and look at all the kidnapping or missing children cases and say "Once little Charlie played at the park, we should look there." Do they play in the abandoned car EVERYDAY? Do they play in the trunk all the time? Probably not.

Yes, but based on the father's quotes in the article, it sounds as though he's questioning why the police didn't look in the trunk. There's no mention of "WE" referring to both him and the police -- which leads me to believe he's pointing the finger.

And besides, he's still got plenty of time to sue the city and/or police. A local ambulance chaser has probably already contacted him and it wouldn't suprise me at all if a suit arises out of this tragedy.

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking... Instead of blaming anyone else... he should be asking ... 'Why didn't *I* check that trunk?'... but he did not...

I know the guilt in this case is must be weighing on him like a ton of bricks. But instead of pointing outward, ALL the parents should be pointing at themselves. I know it will only make the grief worse, and they are looking for comfort... but blaming the police and not themselves is wrong.

This is sooo a lawsuit waiting to happen.

 

[Triumph]

No one is to blame, sh!t happens. Depending on how long it took the kids to die, someone could have been to late if the trunk was the first place they looked.

 

[So]

I was out all last week, so I couldn't comment :|:|:|

But really, cruel as this was...it was darwin at work. When I was a little kid, I never played in an AUTOMOBILE trunk.