Maybe the problem isn't guns, terrorism, inequality or anything

[raildogg]

but everything behind it. Meaning it is the human being's mind that is the problem. If that is changed, then maybe everything else is changed. We wouldn't probably even need rules, laws, contracts or anything like that. Or even religion.

People like to focus on small issues like gun control, terrorism, violence, etc. But could not all of these issues be tied to the human psyche? If a human being lived a totally different way of life with a completely different way of thinking, then everything would be resolved all by itself.

I find it strange people bring up tiny tiny issues like climate change and animal rights etc. These things don't happen by themselves. They occur due to man's terrible way of living and it carries over to everything he does and touches.

That is why everything that man touches, he destroys.

 

[Fern]

Yes, people are the problem. But we can't get rid of them.

Fern

 

[xBiffx]

You lost me at climate change.....

 

[Cuda1447]

Woah bro. Late night thoughts seem a lot more mind-blowing when you're tired. Sleep on that idea next time and if it still sounds good in the morning.... come see us.

 

[lotus503]

I think the premise of the OP ignores the purposeful social manipulation that occurs in reference to the provided examples.

I agree people are the problem, weak minds easily manipulated for profit.

Terrorism as an example will never go away, it's too profitable and such a great fear mechanism.

 

[woolfe9998]

If people were only different, the world would be a lot better. Congratulations on this insight...

 

[IGBT]

the US is suffering from political HIV/AIDS called liberalism. Liberalism has resulted in a weakened political immune system allowing opportunistic liberal infections. The political prognosis is failure.

 

[irishScott]

Yes, people are the problem. But we can't get rid of them.

Fern

Kinda like guns, but I still say we should institute an assault-person ban! Should end all human conflict. I mean, obvious people who are absolutely "determined" to have conflict will find a way, but it'll make it SO much harder it'll effectively be eliminated! Right?

 

[BoberFett]

Yes, people are the problem. But we can't get rid of them.

Fern

Terrorists and mass murderers keep trying to help... :sneaky:

 

[blankslate]

actually there is a TED talk about how the level of inequality in a society is predictive of the level of societal ills (as measured by instances of Mental illness, crime, childhood pregnancy, murder among other things). More inequality more societal ills. /shrug

 

[Pr0d1gy]

The problem is we have been told for years in school and on TV that man is a violent, antisocial, and easily mislead beast. Thus you get the kind of ignorant hypothesis you see in this thread.

The truth is that humanity's number one survival trait is the ability to live together in large groups in relative harmony. That is the key trait that has allowed us to survive long enough to create tools, evolve, and become the dominant lifeform on this planet.

Let me sum it up for you this way OP, if everything man touched he destroyed, then how would we still be here? We've had the tech to wipe out humanity for nearly 100 years now and we are still here. It isn't because mankind is some warped, nefarious creature.

I do have to wonder about people who hold this belief to be true though, possible self projection?

 

[Texashiker]

but everything behind it. Meaning it is the human being's mind that is the problem. If that is changed, then maybe everything else is changed. We wouldn't probably even need rules, laws, contracts or anything like that. Or even religion.

I have this theory that cities are driving people insane.

Bear with me for a minute.

Cities are new in the overall evolution process. Up until just a few thousand years ago we lived in small villages with just a few hundred people. We were not designed to live in cities. We were designed to forage, hunt, and roam the forest in search for food.

Even during the roman time period the majority of people lived in small villages. It was not until the late 20th century that the majority of people shifted from rural lifestyle to living in urban areas.

Lets take chickens for example. If you put too many chickens in a small area, the chickens start pecking at each other. If a chicken develops a wound or injury, the other chickens will peck it to death. A lot of that is out of boredom, while some of it is a survival instinct to cull out the weak.

How can we go from hundreds of thousands of years of roaming, to being crammed into cities without some kind of negative physiological effect.

It is not the guns, but rather the lack of being able to follow our natural instincts. We suppress our natural desire to hunt, kill, forage, to celebrate in the kill, for the community to come together.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

but everything behind it. Meaning it is the human being's mind that is the problem. If that is changed, then maybe everything else is changed. We wouldn't probably even need rules, laws, contracts or anything like that. Or even religion.

People like to focus on small issues like gun control, terrorism, violence, etc. But could not all of these issues be tied to the human psyche? If a human being lived a totally different way of life with a completely different way of thinking, then everything would be resolved all by itself.

I find it strange people bring up tiny tiny issues like climate change and animal rights etc. These things don't happen by themselves. They occur due to man's terrible way of living and it carries over to everything he does and touches.

That is why everything that man touches, he destroys.

There is 2 words that describe what you are referring to in this jarbled 3 paragraph post in people: Irrational. Fear.




All you should need to do is remind them that everytime you step outside to get in your car, drive to work, and drive home to work that you probability of dying from accidents (on the job or off) are astronomically higher than the shit they delegate to prevent.

Instead of putting money into "preventing terrorism", taking our rights away, and dictating other nations, we could have built safer vehicles and roads that would have saved over 9000 times as many lives as people think are being saved now.

 

[Zodiark1593]

We live in a world where there are relatively few people who think alike. There are terrorists who truly believe they are doing the right thing, for example. Such is the nature of free will.

 

[Nintendesert]

I blame Bush and the Jews.

 

[Kadarin]

When the Boston marathon bombing happened, my first thought was let's wait and see before we jump to conclusions as to who was responsible. Then... Sure enough, Muslim terrorists.

Islam is a good part of the problem.

 

[Zorkorist]

The problem is we have been told for years in school and on TV that man is a violent, antisocial, and easily mislead beast. Thus you get the kind of ignorant hypothesis you see in this thread.

The truth is that humanity's number one survival trait is the ability to live together in large groups in relative harmony. That is the key trait that has allowed us to survive long enough to create tools, evolve, and become the dominant lifeform on this planet.

Let me sum it up for you this way OP, if everything man touched he destroyed, then how would we still be here? We've had the tech to wipe out humanity for nearly 100 years now and we are still here. It isn't because mankind is some warped, nefarious creature.

I do have to wonder about people who hold this belief to be true though, possible self projection?

Great post Pr0d1gy.

There is really very little wrong with today.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

When the Boston marathon bombing happened, my first thought was let's wait and see before we jump to conclusions as to who was responsible. Then... Sure enough, Muslim terrorists.

Islam is a good part of the problem.

Radical Islam is a problem. Just like Radical Christians, or Radical Jews, are a problem.

Radical Buddhists are the worst.

Just saying...

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

We live in a world where there are relatively few people who think alike. There are terrorists who truly believe they are doing the right thing, for example. Such is the nature of free will.

It's more than free will, obviously. It's a willingness to subject others to your will.

It's more like how can I damage other people the most? How can I subjugate them, and dominate them? How can I make them feel the most pain?

-John

 

[piasabird]

I see nothing inherently wrong with assault weapons and do not even know if there is such a thing. A rifle is a rifle. At least you can see most rifles. In fact handguns are used for murder more than anything. They are more easily hidden especially weapons that will fit in a pocket like snub nosed 357, 380 auto, small frame 9mm and 45's etc. If the government would require all handguns have longer barrels and bigger frames, then that would make them a little harder to hide.

What is a radical Buddhist?

How come they dont have a radical problem in South Korea? The Budhist in South Korea teach that killing and murder is bad. They have for over 100 years. It is Men that are evil, not religion. People with no Morals believe they can kill people and use terror. It is what they learn from their parents and their society. We let Doctors kill a baby at birth and we are sending a message to our society that murder is acceptable for profit.

 

[Kadarin]

Radical Islam is a problem. Just like Radical Christians, or Radical Jews, are a problem.

There are whole fuckload more radical Muslims than there are of any other religion. And as a culture, Islam has been hell-bent on converting the rest of the world since it first started. Look anywhere where the Islamic world borders other cultures, and you will see conflict.

Islam is a problem. Refuse to believe it out of a sense of bleeding heart overly liberal political correctness if you will, but a problem it is.

 

[mikeymikec]

I have this theory that cities are driving people insane.

I think the same but for a different reason. The "rat race" culture of spending ages to get to work in cramped conditions (one way or another, traffic jams or trains stuffed full of people) every day can't be good for people.

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In other news, could Kadarin get back to me when he's finished his census to determine the number of radical Islamists there are in the world? I love the implied connection between the profileration of radical Islam and liberal attitudes, it tends to suggest that Kadarin has a radical solution to the problem.

I also wonder how Kadarin's census would differentiate between some psychotic idiot who calls himself a radical Islamist/Christian with a desire to kill lots of people, and an actual radical Islamist/Christian.

@ piasabird

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22356306

 

[raildogg]

We're blaming everyone but ourselves. Thus the world's problems will never, ever be solved that way. It's always the other guy over there that is at fault. Islam, fascism, capitalism etc. Blame these guys. This has been going on for thousands of years. The names change but nothing else.

Same thing in this thread. Blame some religion rather than the people who created that religion. In some other country, they're blaming "our" religion. So who's right?

 

[raildogg]

There are whole fuckload more radical Muslims than there are of any other religion. And as a culture, Islam has been hell-bent on converting the rest of the world since it first started. Look anywhere where the Islamic world borders other cultures, and you will see conflict.

Islam is a problem. Refuse to believe it out of a sense of bleeding heart overly liberal political correctness if you will, but a problem it is.

Don't blame Islam for the millions of homeless people living in America. Or the millions more living in poverty. Or the other millions doing absolutely nothing yet getting government aid. This has nothing to do with Islam.

Islam is simply a scapegoat for something else. You really think there are any Muslims or Christians in this world? I doubt it. If there were, there wouldn't be as many problems. That's the problem with religion - it is never practiced ANYWHERE. The hindus don't practice it or India wouldn't have all these issues. The taoists don't practice their religion. Same with the buddhists. It's all a game and it's all for show. Nothing substantive.

We have too many cops and lawyers and courts and judges because we people are horrible. If we were not, there wouldn't be any need for cops or any rules. So the problem points simply to man - not the Muslim man or the Christian man or the Hindu man. Simply man.

 

[Kadarin]

In other news, could Kadarin get back to me when he's finished his census to determine the number of radical Islamists there are in the world?

I suspect it's more than you think. When Muslims in a population reach critical mass, they go crazy. For example: http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/05/world/asia/bangladesh-clashes/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The streets of Bangladesh's capital rang with the sound of gunfire, explosions and tear-gas canisters Sunday as Islamist protesters demanding laws against blasphemy battled police, leaving four dead.

Tens of thousands of supporters of the Hefazat-e-Islam movement blocked nearly all the roads leading into the capital, Dhaka, as they pressed a list of demands, including the anti-blasphemy statute. Clashes broke out when Hefazat activists tried to break a police cordon.

TENS OF THOUSANDS.