Regarding Thief, I'm playing through it right now and the framerate is usually constant at 120fps, with occasional drops to the 80-90 range (like when I look at the clock tower in the city). I have the SSAA setting on low, with everything else is maxed out. It's definitely not limited by my 4ghz 920. Even though it's a UE3 game, it still looks great because of the high quality textures and lighting, as well as good level artwork.
I got a 4790K for other reasons (and a Microcenter deal that made it $315 for both that and a Z97 board), but will hold off installing it until some other parts come in. The problem with Haswell-E is the cost of the overall upgrade. The 5820K is reasonable but the boards are double the price of the Z97 ones, and need new (and expensive) memory. None of them have PCI either, so I would need a new sound card, and almost none have a Realtek network chip. At that point, I was looking at close to $700 for everything. The 4790K was a lower cost and lower hassle upgrade, and I can probably sell my X58 setup while it's still worth something.
I got a 4790K for other reasons (and a Microcenter deal that made it $315 for both that and a Z97 board), but will hold off installing it until some other parts come in. The problem with Haswell-E is the cost of the overall upgrade. The 5820K is reasonable but the boards are double the price of the Z97 ones, and need new (and expensive) memory. None of them have PCI either, so I would need a new sound card, and almost none have a Realtek network chip. At that point, I was looking at close to $700 for everything. The 4790K was a lower cost and lower hassle upgrade, and I can probably sell my X58 setup while it's still worth something.
I'll be keeping my eye on this while I look for an easy-to-acquire X5650!
They are all easy to acquire through eBay. Most of these CPUs are pulled from a running server, so there's always a risk involved, but the sellers do guarantee you a tested CPU, and a replacement if it doesn't work for you.
I have been running an X5650 for several months now. It was quite incredible to go from i7 920 D0 to a 32nm hexacore Westmere for only $80. Overclocking it to 4GHz is no big deal, and the power usage is much better obviously than Bloomfield. It's an amazing upgrade, if you have an X58 motherboard with a BIOS supporting these Xeon CPUs.
Ok you got me considering Xeons now
How can I be sure my P6T SE supports X5650 etc Xeons?
Of course they're not in ASUS's officially supported CPUs. And the P6T SE is different than the P6T or P6T Deluxe.
I only found minimal references here, but nothing clear. This one is better, but I'd like firm confirmation for the p6t SE please
Thanks!
How can I be sure my P6T SE supports X5650 etc Xeons?
Of course they're not in ASUS's officially supported CPUs. And the P6T SE is different than the P6T or P6T Deluxe.
I only found minimal references here, but nothing clear. This one is better, but I'd like firm confirmation for the p6t SE please
Thanks!
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Ok you got me considering Xeons now
How can I be sure my P6T SE supports X5650 etc Xeons?
Of course they're not in ASUS's officially supported CPUs. And the P6T SE is different than the P6T or P6T Deluxe.
I only found minimal references here, but nothing clear. This one is better, but I'd like firm confirmation for the p6t SE please
Thanks!
This guys sig seems to indicate it works:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26870720&postcount=362
From this thread:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18618052&page=13
The X5650s are such insanely good deals if you have X58 already. It seems that good X58 boards are steadily increasing in price as people try to snag up those X5650s. Intel's 32nm process is just fantastic for overclocking and it's pretty well understood. The 45nm to 32nm shift was the last process upgrade that didn't have any caveats -- overclocked higher instead of lower, used less power, no weird thermal paste issues...
I just bought a x5670 off ebay for 100 bucks. Wanted the 24-25x multiplier and thought it was absolutely worth the extra 25-30 bucks.
These 6 core westmereEX are unbelievably cheap and very powerful. I found some benchmarks on OCN and it is really amazing how strong the ipc is per core. Clock for clock, the cores are every bit as strong as Sandy but without the AVX2. The beauty is that these are six cores and the advancements since Sandy are nothing to get excited over.
Its simply unbelievable you can drop a 32nm CPU in such an old platform and with a little overclock, be right up there close to ivy and not too far from haswell. Look in gaming, it is exactly right there in the pack. 4770 does have more powerful cores, but the westmereEX has a few extra cores. Westmere cores are no slouch at 4+ghz.
crazier still, you can even have USB 3 if you needed with an add in PCI card. Its insane
OP, you really should go ahead and bite the bullet. These CPUs are like a gift from the gods. It will absolutely take you that much further. Anyone with X58 socket1366 should be snagging these xeons, bump up them clocks, and just ride out haswell completely. There is nothing to think about here. The performance need not be overlooked.
These 6 core westmereEX are unbelievably cheap and very powerful. I found some benchmarks on OCN and it is really amazing how strong the ipc is per core. Clock for clock, the cores are every bit as strong as Sandy but without the AVX2. The beauty is that these are six cores and the advancements since Sandy are nothing to get excited over.
Its simply unbelievable you can drop a 32nm CPU in such an old platform and with a little overclock, be right up there close to ivy and not too far from haswell. Look in gaming, it is exactly right there in the pack. 4770 does have more powerful cores, but the westmereEX has a few extra cores. Westmere cores are no slouch at 4+ghz.
crazier still, you can even have USB 3 if you needed with an add in PCI card. Its insane
OP, you really should go ahead and bite the bullet. These CPUs are like a gift from the gods. It will absolutely take you that much further. Anyone with X58 socket1366 should be snagging these xeons, bump up them clocks, and just ride out haswell completely. There is nothing to think about here. The performance need not be overlooked.
I would recommend a GTX 970 for the sole reason that Nvidia's drivers have much less cpu overhead than AMD's.
Go to gamegpu.ru and see comparisons of AMD and Nvidia on the same cpus. Differences are as high as 50% or more. This is crazy.
example
What this means for you, is that when you will hit a cpu limit and your game will be running at 40fps with an AMD card, it will run with 60fps with an Nvidia card of the same caliber, simply because the cpu will be free to do its stuff, instead of doing whatever it's doing with AMD's drivers.
wow, that's truly horrible. In spite of Nvidia's evil, evil marketing I continue to be impressed with their supporting software/driver designs. They "feel" like Intel-- quality.
I believe this is why Intel never wanted them in the x86 market
Yeah nvidias 337.50+ drivers are nothing short of amazing,i got a spare x4 9150e rig and i get a good 100fps average with dips to about 75fps in multiplayer in BO2 but the pre 337.50 drivers absolutely make the x4 9150e run the game like crap with dips into the lower 50's with peaks above 100 rarely all while including stutter.:awe:
Only modern game that even runs smooth on this cpu,all thanks to 337.50+ drivers.BF4 went from like 10fps to like 35fps average somehow as well lol.
What did u upgrade from?
I actually just decided to go the Xeon route. Was planning to finally upgrade when the 5820k launched. It would have been from the i7 920. I was waiting and waiting. When the 5820 finally came, i think i just i expected too much I guess. I ended up hesitating and got less hyped up about it. I just think I would rather put the money in savings. Planning on buying a house soon and want to have as large a down payment as possible. So I just quit thinking about the 5820k.
But then I kept reading about these 1366 xeons and some others suggesting I look into it. This whole idea is pretty new to me. There was far too much performance to gain for so little money....I had to jump on it
You guys are making me wonder if a Xeon is still a better option for me. I still have my X58 stuff installed and could return the 4790K. I wanted a Haswell for emulators and VMs though, which are largely dependent on single threaded performance and Haswell is said to be particularly good with, as well as the lower power usage. The Xeon's 6 cores would be better for compute and data science work I do though.
However, if I don't upgrade the platform now, I probably will end up not doing so for years, and will be stuck with the slower USB, SATA and PCIE. It took a lot of work to find a Z97 board that fit all my requirements, and even the one I chose (MSI G55 SLI) is apparently discontinued. I got an open box one at Microcenter for dirt cheap.
However, if I don't upgrade the platform now, I probably will end up not doing so for years, and will be stuck with the slower USB, SATA and PCIE. It took a lot of work to find a Z97 board that fit all my requirements, and even the one I chose (MSI G55 SLI) is apparently discontinued. I got an open box one at Microcenter for dirt cheap.
I keep thinking about moving to NVidia if I could find someone to buy my 7850 and a cheap good Nvidia card. I don't game anymore, might like to; but I should probably just got wait to get a GPU until Unreal 4; and I currently have a 7850. What's on the same level? Actually I guess there aren't any games I would play. What would be a good GPU to get?
have you overclocked the CPU any? Should hit 3Ghz
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Ph2 965@4ghz and 2.6ghz northbridge. I don't think I actually needed a CPU upgrade (I'll take one though), it was the RAM and reformat that set me straight.
the Xeon 6 cores do hardware virtualization; you'd be totally fine if you're ok with overclocking. Only downside, power usage
If you mean VT-d, the 920 does that too, but most X58 boards never supported it properly and it's only useful in some very specific cases. I was referring to pure single threaded performance for things like Basilisk, Dosbox and console emulators.
I'll just stick with the 4790K at this point. I got a good deal on it and just received what I was waiting on (Noctua 1150 bracket that they sent for free; big props to them for supporting their products). I want to use my new stuff now.
I'll just stick with the 4790K at this point. I got a good deal on it and just received what I was waiting on (Noctua 1150 bracket that they sent for free; big props to them for supporting their products). I want to use my new stuff now.
Seems nvidia cards really aren't that great of a value till you hit the 970, a 7850 would be best replaced by a 760 if you really wanted a nvidia card but as a prior 7850/gtx670 owner the 760 wouldn't be a huge upgrade but as a side grade its moderately better at best.
I wish i could overclock the cpu but its locked down in a crappy Gateway DX4200 motherboard that honestly has the A12 issue that dropped the Hyperlink transport speed down to ht 2.0 speeds which was a common issue for x4 9100/9150e cpus.Reports of people dropping in x4 940 could give this thing new life but i don't think its worthwhile unless i spend minimum maybe.
My daily rig uses a i7 3770 non k,my previous motherboard went down and i was waiting on a new one so i got stuck using the x4 9150e for a bit.Pretty miserable cpu even when new.Glad i am not using it anymore.
RussianSensation
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You are missing the 2nd part of the equation - terrible Kepler performance in games released in the last 6+ months. 970/980 are Maxwell architecture and perform well in modern games. Not true at all for 760/770/780/780Ti/Titan.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2411327
or
post #12 here
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2411570
NV has nothing worth buying below $330:
http://www.techspot.com/guides/912-best-graphics-cards-2014/
Article can use a update,the cheapest 770 on Newegg is $329 only cause its in stock,the other cards are all out of stock but if there was one in stock its the $280 Msi Gaming as the cheapest.I guess its almost safe to assume this 770 pretty much is discontinued.
The 960/960ti basically has to be around the corner cause the only other card below the 970 is the 760 and the price gap is incredible between the two.Nvidia pretty much gave up the ghost in $220-$300 range which is sad.If you consider the $170 2gb reference msi 760 as acceptable then there's a $160 between it and the cheapest 970 which is a zotac at $330.
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No no
Keep the haswell.
There are emulators that specifically take advantage of avx2. Not sure how much it changes the experience through, surely its playable on the older instruction sets.
I really never planned to go this route at all. I had no idea the xeons got so cheap and my plan since ivy launched was to ride this 920 until haswellE. I thought I would suffer but honestly, haswell launched and i expected more. But regardless, my eye was on the 5820k\ddr4 and I was waiting for it. About the time haswellE launched my wife and I started looking into buying a house. We started crunching numbers and realized the substantial difference a large down payment would make. And the 5820 was clocked so feakn low, once again I expected more. I wanted one but I hesitated for those reasons.
I had heard people suggest Xeon ep for my motherboard and never paid it much mind. Only recently, when i seen the undeniably crazy low prices have I started crunching the performance numbers. The 4790k is faster than an x5670, it will take overclocking the Xeon towards 5ghz to match the 4790k and even then it won't surpass the haswell. There will be apps the Xeon wins and apps it looses. The single thread of a 4790k should still be stronger for sure. But these xeons close to 5ghz should be at least as strong as the 4770k stock. Or rather close.
Intel has made improvements. Haswell is much more sophisticated and just manages to handle data much better. Its memory systems are so good that the Haswell dual channel is more efficient than the x58 triple. Haswell handles data better, better more effective caching, the latest instruction sets, its better at keeping the cores fed. There are a lot of improvements.
So much that a 6core and 12thread westmereEP will struggle to keep up with a 4790 no matter how high you can overclocked it.
So your haswell is the better platform, no contest.
But for someone with an x58, the westmereEP is a massive upgrade. Overclocking it makes the 6 year old platform at least relevant today. You are talking 40-50% overclocked here and CPUs simply haven't advance all that much since westmere launched.
Just because u can catch up some with westmereEP doesn't make it a better option, not at all. There are trade offs for sure. The performance for OC x5670 is strong but haswell has many improvements that can make it impossible for the older 12thread to touch. There are a lot of benchmarks that take specific advantage of these new features. But luckily for the westmereEP, not so much in the real world apps.....especially in gaming.
WestmereEP is a great option for me. Heck, I find myself less and less on my PC. I buy so many games and never even play them. I absolutely love PC and watching the tech evolove. But PC gaming is becoming more of a dream if mine than a reality. My 7yr old son is on my PC 10x as much as me. So especially for me, westmereEP is a great option.
Oh,
And just for the record, I am an old school PC kind of guy. Back in the day, buying celerons and durons then overclocking the snot out of them. Those were the days. And honestly, that's probably more to do with my enthusiasm than anything else. It kinda reminds me of the old days......days I am so fond of
hm, what's the absolute cheapest Nvidia I could buy that would have solid desktop performance, no concern for gaming?
I swear I didn't have RAM problems until I swapped my 670 for a radeon 7850. I used to be able to push right up to 7.5GB, 7.8GB once even, of RAM usage (I disable my swap file) with no problems at all with Nvidia, then I went to AMD and programs started fussing at 5.5 on the way to 6GB of RAM, which had me wondering if AMD had crappy drivers that were mirroring the video memory into system RAM like Vista did.
Yeah, I'm sticking with it and just put it in yesterday. I ran into some unexpected trouble (this problem, which was only fixable by an obscure setting in CrystalDiskInfo), but it's good now. I tried some games briefly and most of them seem to run about the same as on the 4ghz 920. Occasionally, a specific area in a game is noticeably faster, but it's rare. There are some games or levels where the GPU is only at 50-60% usage according to MSI Afterburner and were running at a low 35-40fps before, but are still the same now. I'm seeing this in Crysis 1 (the VTOL level) and Cryostasis for example, which I believe are both single threaded. This is at stock CPU speeds. However, some floating point-heavy compute programs I've written are 40-50% faster now, and the idle power usage has dropped by more than half to 75W (including the monitor).
I used to be like that too.
Before this 4790K, all of my last 4 or 5 processors were cheap ones with 50% overclocks (but stable for long term use). This one should hit 4.5-4.6 easily, but they don't seem to have much headroom beyond that. I still game a fair bit, but my hardware upgrades are few and far in between. I tend to buy some stuff and just forget about it for a few years.
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No, unfortunately your on the LGA1156 Consumer Platform and while there are some LGA1156 Xeon chips they are all quad cores at the same speeds as the Core i7 860 / 870 / 875K.
Your best bet is to try and push your 860 up to 4GHz+ or upgrade to a 875K to help you achieve this overclock. Those Lynnfield chips may not be as new or overclock as well as the Westmere Gulftown's but they still more than hold their own.
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The furthest I could really push this guy is 3.5 ghz. I have a cooler master 212 plus I believe. I had to crank up the power a bit more to push past this speed and the temps became unreasonable, so I just settled in at 3.5.
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