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Mavs pick up Antoine Walker and Tony Delk from Celtics
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I agree exactly. Raef had a horrible year last year. He was too foul prone, his blocked shots and rebounds fell, and basically was almost worthless. I believe that was because Nelson used him too much on the perimeter. On the right team with the right system, he could be a solid double-double player. But at least the Mavs got rid of his ridiculous contract and got a couple solid players back. I didn't think that was going to be possible.
I don't think Nelson wants Nowitzki to play the 5. He has already annointed Fortson as the center. I think either another trade is coming, or Nelson/Cuban wanted Walker to be their scorer off the bench ala Van Exel.
Read above. Raef is not a low post defender. He terms himself a weakside defender, which means he comes off his man to double team and make blocks. He was never a solid low post defender and never will be. Raef was never effective at defending Shaq and Duncan, not many people are.
The Mavs go to the WCF last year playing this style of basketball. It cannot be all that bad.
The Mavs improved as a team on defense last year. A quick browse of their stats will prove this. I agree this does not address the need for low post help, but the Mavs already tried that and were kept out on the Mourning deal. Who is out there now?
RagingBITCH
Lifer
What wyvrn said. Raef was worthless all of last season. I don't care what you think because quite frankly you probably didn't watch every game last season. Low post defense? Raef was good for nothing else than picking up fouls. Completely worthless, especially considering the $69 million contract he signed. Every sportscaster in Dallas said the same thing, and Cuban defended him every step of the way. We free up salary cap room plus we have a bonafide All Star to get rid of in a trade to get some defensive help if really needed. This in no way makes our team worse, simply put. You could put shorty Nash in the low post and he'd do as good a job on defense as Raef ever did.
Ouch, Fortson at center? Fortson is an odd guy, great rebounder, but he does it at the expense of every other part of his game. He has got to be the worst defensive power forward in the NBA, hands down, because he's constantly worried about rebounding the ball and not playing defense. The dude has averaged .26 blocks per game in his NBA career. .26!!
And once again failed to make it to the finals. Tell me that Mavs fans and Mark Cuban were happy with that?
And once again failed to make it to the finals. Tell me that Mavs fans and Mark Cuban were happy with that?
The Brad Miller trade was a major move and the Kings are contenders when they are healthy. So as long as Webber is healthy this season, they have a team that can win it all. The Kings aren't missing as many pieces as the Mavs. The Kings already play defense and can score, can you honestly think of a realistic move that would make the Kings better?
The last couple of seasons the Mavs have been involved in some major trades and I questioned the moves then as I do now. They got rid of Van Exel now, for Jamison???
How is that going to help them? Van Exel was amazing in the playoffs last year. I'll admit Raef wasn't the best post defender, but he was better than what they have now, so what gives? It's going to take a couple years to get to the finals for the Mavs, and it seems that Cuban believes he can instantly throw some money out and it will happen. They are going to have to commit to some players and allow them to grow.
How is that going to help them? Van Exel was amazing in the playoffs last year. I'll admit Raef wasn't the best post defender, but he was better than what they have now, so what gives? It's going to take a couple years to get to the finals for the Mavs, and it seems that Cuban believes he can instantly throw some money out and it will happen. They are going to have to commit to some players and allow them to grow.
This trade has the potential for a really exciting team IF the players can keep their egos under control.
OK, say the Mavs start Nowitski, Walker, Jamison, Finley and Nash. Who comes off the bench besides Bradley and Delk? The 5 and 1 are covered. But what about 2, 3 and 4?
OK, say the Mavs start Nowitski, Walker, Jamison, Finley and Nash. Who comes off the bench besides Bradley and Delk? The 5 and 1 are covered. But what about 2, 3 and 4?
First of all, Mavs are the ones that gave LaFrentz that overpaying contract.
Second of all, they still have not improve on defense.
They have too many scorers, Antoine Walker is average at best, he makes bad decisions down the stretch.
Too many small forwards on the team, and they still do not have a real center in the middle.
Thanks for the ESPN link LakerGod.
I just heard Don Nelson on ESPN radio doing a news conference. Apparently, Jamison will be the 6th man and Walker is going to start. Nelson likes Walker's ball handling and is going to make him the "point forward" he was always wanting and the reason they signed Rigodeau last year. He also said Nowitzki will get "some time" at the 5 and both Walker and Jamison will be on the floor. He thinks that this will cause matchup problems for the other team and give Dallas the advantage. But he will not leave Nowitzki at the 5 all the time, just for parts of the game. So Jamison becomes the offensive catalyst off the bench. I wonder where this leaves Josh Howard who is everything the Mavs need to complement the Big Three. He can rebound and play excellent defense, but once again it looks like Nelson is in love with the fast-paced scoring offense. In Nelson/Cuban's defense, they tried to get a quality center this year but there are only a handful in the league. So Nelson stated he is just going to play to his team's strengths this year and try to outscore people. I wouldn't rule out another trade though at some point in the season.
I just heard Don Nelson on ESPN radio doing a news conference. Apparently, Jamison will be the 6th man and Walker is going to start. Nelson likes Walker's ball handling and is going to make him the "point forward" he was always wanting and the reason they signed Rigodeau last year. He also said Nowitzki will get "some time" at the 5 and both Walker and Jamison will be on the floor. He thinks that this will cause matchup problems for the other team and give Dallas the advantage. But he will not leave Nowitzki at the 5 all the time, just for parts of the game. So Jamison becomes the offensive catalyst off the bench. I wonder where this leaves Josh Howard who is everything the Mavs need to complement the Big Three. He can rebound and play excellent defense, but once again it looks like Nelson is in love with the fast-paced scoring offense. In Nelson/Cuban's defense, they tried to get a quality center this year but there are only a handful in the league. So Nelson stated he is just going to play to his team's strengths this year and try to outscore people. I wouldn't rule out another trade though at some point in the season.
virtuamike
Diamond Member
Gotta love Nelson. Mavs are looking more and more like his old Warriors teams (Mullin Spree Hardaway Webber Owens, or how about TMC?). Should've learned his lesson a decade ago, you can't win in the postseason without a center.
UncleWai
Diamond Member
exactly, the trade value for Antoine Walker is a lot higher than Lafrentz, and Walker's contract is cheaper.
I really like Lafrentz's game, but there's no way he could play well in the West.
A lot of people are forgetting Delk is also in the trade. Nash, Best, Delk, that's a pretty good list.
I really like Lafrentz's game, but there's no way he could play well in the West.
A lot of people are forgetting Delk is also in the trade. Nash, Best, Delk, that's a pretty good list.
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