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Master of the obvious: NBA is rigged

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Ultimately Stern needs to resign, and the league needs to contract a few of its teams.

That, and the NBA should never again be able to buy one of its own franchises. How that was ever approved of to begin with I have no idea.
 
slayer202 said:
^that's insanity. everyone knows Paul is leaving. Just because he is still there doesn't mean the franchise still has CP3 value. The trade would have made the team more valuable than it is now, and definitely more than it will be worth after this year
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That's not his point.

He's talking purely in accounting terms. If they bring on Odom and all those other guys with their salaries then they have to account for that essentially as a liability to sell. It brings the payroll up higher. Paul is gone next year, so he's a wash in 6 months. That brings their payroll down into the mid 20's next year, less even more with other guys who have contracts expiring. Okafor is the only other guy on the team with a long term baggage.

It's not about being competitive. It's about being the lowest amount of liability they can bundle up and unload to some prospective buyer.
 
vi edit said:
That's not his point.

He's talking purely in accounting terms. If they bring on Odom and all those other guys with their salaries then they have to account for that essentially as a liability to sell. It brings the payroll up higher. Paul is gone next year, so he's a wash in 6 months. That brings their payroll down into the mid 20's next year, less even more with other guys who have contracts expiring. Okafor is the only other guy on the team with a long term baggage.

It's not about being competitive. It's about being the lowest amount of liability they can bundle up and unload to some prospective buyer.
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Yea I understand what he's saying, but consider what happened last year (note, I'm not disagreeing with either of you, it's Stern and some owners I'm upset with, this is just for making discussion):

The Hornets (under the ownership of the NBA), traded for Carl Landry. This deal increased the team's payroll. Mark Cuban was vocal in his opposition to the deal, but the league let it go through.

Fast forward to today. Same situation, only now the league is butting in and dictating who can do what. Why? This is just plain ugly. Stern has no idea what he's doing.
 
Red Storm said:
Yea I understand what he's saying, but consider what happened last year (note, I'm not disagreeing with either of you, it's Stern and some owners I'm upset with, this is just for making discussion): The Hornets (under the ownership of the NBA), traded for Carl Landry. This deal increased the team's payroll. Mark Cuban was vocal in his opposition to the deal, but the league let it go through.
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The weird thing is that Landry doesn't even show up on the payroll for NO. Was he still on the books of somebody else?
http://www.sportscity.com/NBA/New-Orleans-Hornets-Salaries
 
vi edit said:
That's not his point.

He's talking purely in accounting terms. If they bring on Odom and all those other guys with their salaries then they have to account for that essentially as a liability to sell. It brings the payroll up higher. Paul is gone next year, so he's a wash in 6 months. That brings their payroll down into the mid 20's next year, less even more with other guys who have contracts expiring. Okafor is the only other guy on the team with a long term baggage.

It's not about being competitive. It's about being the lowest amount of liability they can bundle up and unload to some prospective buyer.
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I see your point, but that's not what the other guy was saying 🙂

But a sale won't be made to a team who is looking to keep the payroll low to make money. They want someone who will try and be competitive. This deal would have helped make the team better. It will be easier to find someone to take over a decent team than a complete crap team
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
It's funny how every few years the Lakers seem to make a trade for an all star and only give up spare parts in the process. 🙄 Gasol, Paul
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OILFIELDTRASH said:
I'd take the other Gasol over Pau at this point in his career. That's just off the top of my head.
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These two statements don't make sense in conjunction with each other. You make the case that Pau Gasol got traded to the Lakers for basically nothing (Marc Gasol being part of that "joke" of a package), and now you say that Marc Gasol is better than Pau. Well which is it? If the trade was comically unfair, why is the better Gasol now in Memphis? And if it's solely because in the three years since the trade happened Pau has declined while Marc has increased, didn't it still work out OK for Memphis since they ended up with the better Gasol going forward?

If we accept that time can be a factor in NBA trades (ie. a trade done today might seem unfair today, but in a year's time make complete sense), then your statements, though conflicting, make a little bit more sense. The Gasol trade, at the time, was viewed as a complete travesty; looking back on it, it really wasn't. Similarly, this Paul situation has a time-based component to it. If the Hornets had traded yesterday, they'd end up with Martin, Scola, Odom and Dragic, not to mention a draft pick; if they wait for Paul's contract to expire, they end up with nothing. Which looks better three years down the road? Do you want to be the next Denver or the next Cleveland? You aren't keeping your superstar; that's guaranteed. Might as well actually get some good players for him...

And the move really would have crippled the Lakers. Trading away valuable big men for a top three point guard with a history of knee problems? When has that ever paid off? There has been one NBA champion in the last 20 years whose best player was a point guard, and even that is debateable (Chauncey Billups won the Finals MVP in 2004, but the Ben and Rasheed Wallace duo were pretty strong contenders). In that same time frame, there have been 11 champions whose best player was a center or power forward (Rockets with Olajuwon twice, Spurs with Robinson and Duncan four times, Lakers with Shaq three times, Celtics with Garnett and the Mavericks with Nowitzki). All the rest were shooting guards named Jordan, Bryant or Wade (and Bryant and Wade had Gasol and Shaq respectively). Hell, some of those teams had point guards who weren't in the top 20 in the league at their position, and it absolutely didn't matter. Point guards are utterly over-rated to the overall success of a team in the past 20 years in this league. Centers and power forwards are a necessity unless you happen to have Michael Jordan in his prime. It would have been idiotic for the Lakers to trade away two very good big men to get one little guy with bum knees. But if they're still interested, maybe the Blazers can shop Brandon Roy for the same deal... 😛
 
OrByte said:
Sure there is parity in the NBA

You have New York in the east and LA in the west.

Fvck the rest. 🙂
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I think you mean Boston in the east. Boston's won the championship 17 times; New York has only been to the Finals 8 times (and only won twice). But the point is true; the Lakers and the Celtics between them have won more than 50% of the championships in NBA history. Hardly the most even division of success.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
I think you mean Boston in the east. Boston's won the championship 17 times; New York has only been to the Finals 8 times (and only won twice). But the point is true; the Lakers and the Celtics between them have won more than 50% of the championships in NBA history. Hardly the most even division of success.
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True, but we didn't have a 30 team league when a lot of those championships were won, it was a much smaller and younger league (meaning much less even talent distribution). But even forgetting that, you are never going to have even parity across all teams. Big markets have inherent advantages over small markets: Wealthier owners, bigger fanbases that expect/demand more from their teams, better sponsorship opportunities for players, a more storied franchise history, etc. It makes perfect sense that players would prefer to play for teams located in those big markets. There is nothing anyone can do to change that.

Also, basketball is a more urban sport compared to other professional sports. Guess where you find the most urban environments? Big cities!
 
HopJokey said:
Chris Paul reports to camp today:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7...s-chris-paul-reports-new-orleans-hornets-camp
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He's got no choice. He can't get traded anymore so he'd just be pointlessly costing himself $16M by not showing up. Now, he just gets to pick his own team after 66 games instead.

It's trivial to get 15 teams to veto any trade either because (1) they don't want Paul to go to a competitor or because (2) they want to try to grab Paul in free agency next off season.

I'm halfway hoping that Howard and Paul both sign with the Heat for the minimum for 1 year just to spite Gilbert and Stern. 🙂
 
I have hope that they will figure out a way to get the trade done, but I don't see what possible changes could really make a difference. Stern would be admitting a mistake if he lets a trade go through now
 
slayer202 said:
I have hope that they will figure out a way to get the trade done, but I don't see what possible changes could really make a difference. Stern would be admitting a mistake if he lets a trade go through now
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Take the Rockets out of it and do a trade of CP3 + Okafor for Pau + Odom + Blake. It works financially, and gives the Hornets a "big name" for the financials when they sell - and for 3 years at that! Also prevents the Lakers from dumping salary which is what concerned all the other owners.
 
Dear Mr. Gilbert,

...We would like to offer you the chance to play in, or coach our games against the Harlem Globetrotters at 2 p.m. and 7 p.m. on Tuesday, Dec. 27 at Quicken Loans Arena. We have already created a personalized jersey, just for you, should you agree to join us.

To show you that we are serious, we'll offer a 25 percent discount on tickets to Cleveland-area fans to watch you and the Generals in action.

We know with your help, we have the chance to end our 40-year losing streak against the world-famous trick-shooters.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Cordially, Red Klotz
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40yr losing streak lol
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...ard-trade-magic-1211-20111210,0,3107502.story

I don't know how but at least we're on the list.🙂 Not sure what it is but this isn't the first time Howard has expressed a desire to play for Dallas. Thank you Nowitzki. We've went from the laughing stock of the NBA to one of the most desirable destinations in the NBA.
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Don't expect anything - you guys have been listed as a destination for years, just like San Antonio. Even with our championships and having a couple of the greatest players ever, we still had a hard time getting players. This year though, there's a chance that Holt really f'ed us over.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...ard-trade-magic-1211-20111210,0,3107502.story

I don't know how but at least we're on the list.🙂 Not sure what it is but this isn't the first time Howard has expressed a desire to play for Dallas. Thank you Nowitzki. We've went from the laughing stock of the NBA to one of the most desirable destinations in the NBA.
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Defending champs, awsome chemistry and an owner that lives and breathes for his team rather than aloof businessman who's team is nothing but a fancy trinket. Not many other teams offer that combo.
 
dougp said:
Don't expect anything - you guys have been listed as a destination for years, just like San Antonio. Even with our championships and having a couple of the greatest players ever, we still had a hard time getting players. This year though, there's a chance that Holt really f'ed us over.
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Mavs have a big trade exception having done a sign and trade with the Knicks for Chandler. We could take back some of their bad contracts offer up Roddy B and a few first rounders. They'd have tons of cap space free next year and multiple first round picks. Or maybe Howard doesn't move and becomes a free agent then we sign him free and clear? Wishful thinking I know.
 
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