Master of the obvious: NBA is rigged

[dougp]

This looks to be a great signing. One of the major things they lacked was a scoring guard to help out Rose.

Once Gordon left, Chicago lacked another decent guard, PERIOD. This is a huge reason why they lost the Heat series, but I expect to see Rose handling the ball as PG in the 4th quarter most of the time.

Edit: Of course they would use that setup because they still list Rose as the PG. They should fix that ...

 

[HendrixFan]

Once Gordon left, Chicago lacked another decent guard, PERIOD. This is a huge reason why they lost the Heat series, but I expect to see Rose handling the ball as PG in the 4th quarter most of the time.

They are dropping $13M a year on Luol Deng's worthless production. You have a SF making that much money then he should be able to handle the ball and create his own shots.

Unless the Bulls make a move for a real star (looks like Howard has no interest in going to Chicago...what a moron) to pair with Rose, then the $28M a year they throw away on Deng and Boozer will keep them from making any real improvement.

 

[dougp]

They are dropping $13M a year on Luol Deng's worthless production. You have a SF making that much money then he should be able to handle the ball and create his own shots.

Unless the Bulls make a move for a real star (looks like Howard has no interest in going to Chicago...what a moron) to pair with Rose, then the $28M a year they throw away on Deng and Boozer will keep them from making any real improvement.

While many questioned that contract, last season he put up 16PPG on 50% FG and 51% 3PFG and 4 RPG - arguably not the best rebounding, but I'd take that over Jefferson any day. As long as he continues on that pace, he'll still be a top SF.

 

[HendrixFan]

While many questioned that contract, last season he put up 16PPG on 50% FG and 51% 3PFG and 4 RPG - arguably not the best rebounding, but I'd take that over Jefferson any day. As long as he continues on that pace, he'll still be a top SF.

At that price ($2M less than Lebron James) they can't get better with him on the team. As you said, the Heat absolutely locked down Rose whenever they wanted to close out the game. Neither Boozer or Deng did a thing to help out, despite the fact that they combine to make almost as much as Lebron and Wade combined.

Hamilton is a good addition but he doesn't create his own shot either. He provides some floor spacing and can hit open shots, though his bread and butter is midrange so teams can still pack the paint.

I like this Bulls team, specifically Noah and Rose. Deng and Boozer are anchors to the team and will continue to be unless they get shipped off (unlikely) or show signs of serious improvement.

 

[slayer202]

If the Hornets aren't sold by next year's draft lottery, we'll see for sure if the NBA is rigged

Like when Stern gave Patrick Ewing to the Knicks

 

[IAteYourMother]

Huh? He's been widely pursued by a majority of championship contending clubs because of his size and his defense. An average of 16 points and 8 rebounds playing next to Blake Griffin? I'll take that any day of the week.

Chris Kaman and defense? Do you watch the same league that I do??? I mean yes, he's a big body, so there's some inherent "defense" there, but he's not a good defensive big man by any stretch.

What championship contending clubs have widely pursue Chris Kaman as a major piece? Sure, as a complementary piece he's fine, but "not that good" means what it is. You're not that good if your best role is as a complementary player. I certainly wouldn't pay him premium money.

 

[dougp]

At that price ($2M less than Lebron James) they can't get better with him on the team. As you said, the Heat absolutely locked down Rose whenever they wanted to close out the game. Neither Boozer or Deng did a thing to help out, despite the fact that they combine to make almost as much as Lebron and Wade combined.

Hamilton is a good addition but he doesn't create his own shot either. He provides some floor spacing and can hit open shots, though his bread and butter is midrange so teams can still pack the paint.

I like this Bulls team, specifically Noah and Rose. Deng and Boozer are anchors to the team and will continue to be unless they get shipped off (unlikely) or show signs of serious improvement.

Wasn't Deng an RFA and the Bulls had to match in order to keep him? I thought that's why his price was so high. Regarding Boozer, the douche has always been overrated - he had DWill feeding him the ball in Utah that pumped him up, and he's always injured. I dislike him personally because of what he and his wife did with their kids - in an interview, you can clearly tell they favor their oldest (whom has sickle-cell, and that's the reason why they have the twins.) I have no respect for him and Fisher.

 

[dougp]

Chris Kaman and defense? Do you watch the same league that I do??? I mean yes, he's a big body, so there's some inherent "defense" there, but he's not a good defensive big man by any stretch.

What championship contending clubs have widely pursue Chris Kaman as a major piece? Sure, as a complementary piece he's fine, but "not that good" means what it is. You're not that good if your best role is as a complementary player. I certainly wouldn't pay him premium money.

So, would you pay Kwame Brown $7mm? Oh, and DE has his defensive breakdown - http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Kaman-3099/

Think what you want, but put him next to Dirk, Duncan, Garnett, Gasol, Scola, etc. and he'll do very well (not saying some of those are on contention teams.)

 

[IAteYourMother]

So, would you pay Kwame Brown $7mm? Oh, and DE has his defensive breakdown - http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Kaman-3099/

Think what you want, but put him next to Dirk, Duncan, Garnett, Gasol, Scola, etc. and he'll do very well (not saying some of those are on contention teams.)

Kwame is obviously overpaid, and it's only a 1 year deal, so what the fuck are talking about? And if you're going to defend Kaman's defense, don't link me to an article that's over 3 years old. Don't tell me that's where you get your basketball insights from.

The whole point of my post was that Clippers fans really shouldn't lose much sleep over including Kaman in a deal for Chris Paul. Do you disagree, or is the almighty Chris Kaman untouchable because he'd be the centerpiece of any championship team?

 

[slayer202]

I think I saw Ric Bucher arguing that Kwame for 7 million was a better contract than the tyson/gasol contracts.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Losing Kaman sucks. He's an excellent post player. Good luck finding another big man with touch like Kaman. Clippers gave up too much IMO.

 

[dougp]

Kwame is obviously overpaid, and it's only a 1 year deal, so what the fuck are talking about? And if you're going to defend Kaman's defense, don't link me to an article that's over 3 years old. Don't tell me that's where you get your basketball insights from.

The whole point of my post was that Clippers fans really shouldn't lose much sleep over including Kaman in a deal for Chris Paul. Do you disagree, or is the almighty Chris Kaman untouchable because he'd be the centerpiece of any championship team?

I'm sorry, but I don't think they should have given up Kaman in the deal, and they obviously overpaid. Then again, my opinion on CP3 has already been stated, I feel he is highly overrated. Kaman plays pretty solid defense in the post, especially against traditional centers. He's a lot like Chandler, but with range.

 

[IAteYourMother]

I'm sorry, but I don't think they should have given up Kaman in the deal, and they obviously overpaid. Then again, my opinion on CP3 has already been stated, I feel he is highly overrated. Kaman plays pretty solid defense in the post, especially against traditional centers. He's a lot like Chandler, but with range.

The writing was on the wall when they signed DeAndre Jordan to a 43/4 contract... Clips clearly feel Jordan is their future, not Kaman.

Clips probably did overpay in my opinion, but only in the sense that they had all the leverage. They probably couldve held onto that no. 1 because that package would still have been better than anything the Lakers would've offered.

The other thing that would worry me is Paul's knees... but if he is healthy, then I think this trade is a win for both sides. Yes, even if they give up Kaman.

 

[al981]

Kwame is obviously overpaid, and it's only a 1 year deal, so what the fuck are talking about? And if you're going to defend Kaman's defense, don't link me to an article that's over 3 years old. Don't tell me that's where you get your basketball insights from.

The whole point of my post was that Clippers fans really shouldn't lose much sleep over including Kaman in a deal for Chris Paul. Do you disagree, or is the almighty Chris Kaman untouchable because he'd be the centerpiece of any championship team?

dougp needs to actually watch a game to see kaman get consistently roasted / dunked on.

 

[Patranus]

Of course the NBA is rigged. There is no hard salary cap.

The luxury tax is a joke even after the new agreement.

A team like the Lakers will continue to sign players regardless of the impact on their luxury tax as the Lakers more than make up for it by winning in LA.

The revenue from winning in LA far outweighs any impact a luxury tax would have on the team.

 

[HendrixFan]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

The Lakers spend about $20M more a season than the next tier teams, almost $30M more than the likes of the Heat, Mavs and Bulls, and almost double the bottom half of the league.

That is AFTER the Odom salary dump.

 

[manly]

Of course the NBA is rigged. There is no hard salary cap.

The luxury tax is a joke even after the new agreement.

A team like the Lakers will continue to sign players regardless of the impact on their luxury tax as the Lakers more than make up for it by winning in LA.

The revenue from winning in LA far outweighs any impact a luxury tax would have on the team.

The new luxury tax looks a lot more punitive against the Lakers.

It may explain why they dumped Lamar Odom, even though I and many others consider him a bargain at $9M. While they might have moved him because he was clearly disgruntled, his cap-friendly contract (and team option) made him a very valuable bargaining chip in any trade talks.

With the old CBA, Odom essentially cost the Lakers $17M for this season from his salary and tax hit. The new CBA ratchets up the luxury tax so you will likely not see the Lakers outspend the competition by $30M/yr because at some point, it will eat into team profits. The Kobe contract become's a hangman's noose in its final 2 years (after this season).

The new luxury tax rules kick in next season:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

A couple seasons down the line, if the Lakers maintained their current relative level of payroll, they could pay as much in luxury tax alone as most teams spend on their entire player payroll.