Mass shooting Boulder Colorado

[pcgeek11]

Not by my bias, because I didn't make that statement. But given that armed treason against the Constitution is among the most serious of crimes, the Senator's lack of concern for white supremacists actually committing that crime, along with a diversion to black causes that have never committed such a heinous crime, does seem to support that bias. Or at least any reasonable person would think so.
But you're clearly not a reasonable person.

Right, It's me.

 

[pcgeek11]

When someone says the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol with the intent of killing Pence and overturning a legitimate election didn't concern him because they were law abiding and police loving individuals (while storming the Capitol and killing a police officer and injuring dozens of them), while BLM participants would give him pause...what else can you derive from that other than he's scared of people of color vs. white persons?

I'm not arguing that. If you would follow along you would see.

The assertion was made that: " crime is only crime if blacks are the perps."

I disagreed that anyone made that specific comment. And Vic posted a link to the Senator Johnson Article as evidence in support of the claim. So he thinks it says that and now he is backing off of that claim.

I am not defending Johnson or his comments. He may be afraid of black people I don't know or care. Between the capital stormers and the BLM / Antifa rioters as they are all criminals just different crimes.

 

[pcgeek11]

Maybe I'm a bit slow...but "racist in a broad sense" is a term I'm unfamiliar with?

Are there gradations of racism I'm unfamiliar with?

Obviously yes.

 

[darkswordsman17]

When someone says the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol with the intent of killing Pence and overturning a legitimate election didn't concern him because they were law abiding and police loving individuals (while storming the Capitol and killing a police officer and injuring dozens of them), while BLM participants would give him pause...what else can you derive from that other than he's scared of people of color vs. white persons?

Don't you love how when right wing assholes all but outright say it they can't figure out how its racist, but pointing out a wide variety of issues can be boiled down by them to everyone wanting to "blame whitey".

 

[NWRMidnight]

As someone here that is actually capable of a conversation past that of the skills of a 6th grader, I'm curious on your thoughts as to what that is?

I am especially curious at it relates to mass shooters with no prior convictions (thus can pass background checks), and "waiting periods" are a non-issue as well. Most of those are things that the majority of the populace agrees are acceptable restrictions we should put in place.

Dishonest much? You are not capable of carrying a rational conversation because as soon as someone counters you, asks a question, or asks you to elaberate/explain your response, all we get from you is crickets chirping (nothing) or you throw some insults and try to move the goal posts. There has been multiple people asking you to explain yourself, elaborate on your comment a couple pages ago.... Nothing..

And now here you are, claiming you are capable of having a conversation beyond that of a 6th grader. Yet, you have proven you aren't capable of having a conversation at all, much less that of a 6th grader. You are good at trying to bait people, I will give you that.

 

[blackangst1]

Not exactlhy not true. His relatives knew he was mentally unfit. A mental heath screening before buying the gun would have stopped the sale. The law you cited means someone already has to have been judged by a medical professional.

I dont think relatives are either interviewed nor competent witnesses to someone's mental health.

 

[blackangst1]

Key word there is "adjudicated" that means that someone has already ruled that they have mental issue, likely after they already committed some act to get them noticed by the courts. Which exactly agrees with what I said:



I'm saying you should have to be evaluated before you buy a gun.

OK? In many states you are....

 

[ch33zw1z]

Oh look, another one of these threads

 

[Leeea]

Mass shootings happen nearly ever day in this country:

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting

Nothing ever happens. This one will be no different. In the USA, nobodies life matters.

 

[Meghan54]

Mass shootings happen nearly ever day in this country:

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting

Nothing ever happens. This one will be no different. In the USA, nobodies life matters.

The guns matter, tho. And apparently more than a person's life...or many persons' lives. That's quite obvious. Guns > people.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

In states that have vehicle safety inspections, owning or operating a vehicle gives consent to submit to those inspections.

Same would go for HazMat inspections of ammunition. You don't want the inspection, no problem. No one is forcing it. Just don't have the ammunition.

Those could also be required by your homeowner's insurance company where the 4th wouldn't apply.

NO ONE needs 40 or 50,000 rounds stored. NO ONE. Yet many homes have that much. Place annual limits on purchases. Require documentation of expended rounds. You're in competition and fire 50,000 rounds a year at targets, so be it. Provide documentation.


But again ......


..... none of these proposals would have stopped the last two turds. Nor would they have stopped most of the other gun related deaths over the past week. And THAT is what we need to find a way to prevent.

 

[Meghan54]

In states that have vehicle safety inspections, owning or operating a vehicle gives consent to submit to those inspections.

Same would go for HazMat inspections of ammunition. You don't want the inspection, no problem. No one is forcing it. Just don't have the ammunition.

Those could also be required by your homeowner's insurance company where the 4th wouldn't apply.

NO ONE needs 40 or 50,000 rounds stored. NO ONE. Yet many homes have that much. Place annual limits on purchases. Require documentation of expended rounds. You're in competition and fire 50,000 rounds a year at targets, so be it. Provide documentation.


But again ......


..... none of these proposals would have stopped the last two turds. Nor would they have stopped most of the other gun related deaths over the past week. And THAT is what we need to find a way to prevent.

You can keep trying to solve it from the "WHY" side of things, which will never get anywhere near a solution, or you can start trying to solve the problem from the "HOW" side of things, as how do these individuals commit these crimes? What seems to be the common "HOW" to their commission of these shootings?

"WHY" will only get you chasing your tail, which is exactly what the strident gun protectors want to happen.

 

[Viper GTS]

Why Does the U.S. Have So Many Mass Shootings? Research Is Clear: Guns. (Published 2017)

Americans advance a lot of theories for why they have so many more gun deaths than other countries do. The answer is lying in plain sight.

www.nytimes.com

I have done a full 180 on this. As recently as early 2012 I owned guns and had a carry permit. Sandy Hook I think was the beginning of the end for me. I like guns and I do believe the 2nd Amendment allows me to own them. But had the founding fathers been able to see the future I think even they would have placed your right to safely grocery shop over my right to own fun toys.

The gun fans (which to be clear I was until fairly recently part of) have proven themselves time and time again to be completely unwilling to accept any restrictions, regulations, or even simple inconveniences placed upon their 2nd Amendment rights. This leaves only one viable solution imo - Amend the constitution. Then purge the guns - Offer buybacks for destruction. Disallow inheritance. Phase it out over a generation.

This very suggestion of this will piss off a lot of people I know. But you are really leaving us no choice. Behave yourselves, self regulate, or its going to be game over. Because the rest of us are tired of this.

Viper GTS

 

[Fenixgoon]

Why Does the U.S. Have So Many Mass Shootings? Research Is Clear: Guns. (Published 2017)

Americans advance a lot of theories for why they have so many more gun deaths than other countries do. The answer is lying in plain sight.

www.nytimes.com

I have done a full 180 on this. As recently as early 2012 I owned guns and had a carry permit. Sandy Hook I think was the beginning of the end for me. I like guns and I do believe the 2nd Amendment allows me to own them. But had the founding fathers been able to see the future I think even they would have placed your right to safely grocery shop over my right to own fun toys.

The gun fans (which to be clear I was until fairly recently part of) have proven themselves time and time again to be completely unwilling to accept any restrictions, regulations, or even simple inconveniences placed upon their 2nd Amendment rights. This leaves only one viable solution imo - Amend the constitution. Then purge the guns - Offer buybacks for destruction. Disallow inheritance. Phase it out over a generation.

This very suggestion of this will piss off a lot of people I know. But you are really leaving us no choice. Behave yourselves, self regulate, or its going to be game over. Because the rest of us are tired of this.

Viper GTS

Yep.
For me, I'm not sure there was any particular point in time, but at some point it hit me that "shall not be infringed" is not synonymous with "cannot be regulated".
We regulate rights all the time for the common good.

 

[NWRMidnight]

...

Why Does the U.S. Have So Many Mass Shootings? Research Is Clear: Guns. (Published 2017)

Americans advance a lot of theories for why they have so many more gun deaths than other countries do. The answer is lying in plain sight.

www.nytimes.com

I have done a full 180 on this. As recently as early 2012 I owned guns and had a carry permit. Sandy Hook I think was the beginning of the end for me. I like guns and I do believe the 2nd Amendment allows me to own them. But had the founding fathers been able to see the future I think even they would have placed your right to safely grocery shop over my right to own fun toys.

The gun fans (which to be clear I was until fairly recently part of) have proven themselves time and time again to be completely unwilling to accept any restrictions, regulations, or even simple inconveniences placed upon their 2nd Amendment rights. This leaves only one viable solution imo - Amend the constitution. Then purge the guns - Offer buybacks for destruction. Disallow inheritance. Phase it out over a generation.

This very suggestion of this will piss off a lot of people I know. But you are really leaving us no choice. Behave yourselves, self regulate, or its going to be game over. Because the rest of us are tired of this.

Viper GTS

The second amendment's interpretation today is completely different than what the founding fathers interpretation was when they wrote it. The fact that the interpretation and meaning has been modified and expanded is part of the reason we have such a problem today. If we stuck to their original writting and interpretation of the 2nd amendment, we wouldn't be in this situation. But now, the belief is everyone should be able to buy/own every gun and accessory known to man and think it's a violation of their rights if that is restricted in anyway. This in itself creates it's own set of problems, couples with the decades of mental health care options dwindling... Well here we are.. a place where we are becoming desensitized to the gun violence. Which will just add to the problem, not help it.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I'm not arguing that. If you would follow along you would see.

The assertion was made that: " crime is only crime if blacks are the perps."

I disagreed that anyone made that specific comment. And Vic posted a link to the Senator Johnson Article as evidence in support of the claim. So he thinks it says that and now he is backing off of that claim.

I am not defending Johnson or his comments. He may be afraid of black people I don't know or care. Between the capital stormers and the BLM / Antifa rioters as they are all criminals just different crimes.

Don't you love how when right wing assholes all but outright say it they can't figure out how its racist, but pointing out a wide variety of issues can be boiled down by them to everyone wanting to "blame whitey".

What thread do you two think you're posting on? None of your comments have anything to do with either the Boulder case or the tangent weapons limitation discussion.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

You can keep trying to solve it from the "WHY" side of things, which will never get anywhere near a solution, or you can start trying to solve the problem from the "HOW" side of things, as how do these individuals commit these crimes? What seems to be the common "HOW" to their commission of these shootings?

"WHY" will only get you chasing your tail, which is exactly what the strident gun protectors want to happen.

Where did I mention 'why'?

There is no 'how' to take the masses of military grade weapons off the streets of the US or anywhere else. The NRA and their paid lackeys in various legislatures and courts have guaranteed that. Even stopping production or banning sales or possession will not eliminate the ones already out there. The only 'how' may be to ban manufacture or sale of the ammunition and reloading supplies, but you won't get that though the courts either. You can impose fees, fines, penalties and raise sales taxes, insurance and liability, but none of that will stop the bad guys.

 

[Zorba]

OK? In many states you are....

What states require a real psychological review prior to purchasing a gun?

 

[Muse]

No, but recognize blatant stupidity when I see it.
This guy killed a cop, and your presumption is that the other cops were nice to this guy, in spite of this, because....he was a Muslim? Does that actually make sense to you? It shouldn't.
The dude probably dropped his gun when he ran out of bullets, or dropped his gun when overwhelming firepower showed up, and laid down on the floor. He almost certainly did not resist arrest.
Reminder: He shot a cop dead. The other cops were not being nice to him because of the shade of his skin. Your blatant bigotry is shining through. At least try to be more subtle about it next time.

Huh, I've read this 3 times and still can't make sense out of it. For one thing, this guy DID resist arrest. He had a gunfight with cops inside the King Sooper, it was pop pop pop for 15 minutes or something like that. My guess is he took a bullet in the leg and that knocked some sense in him and he surrendered then and there.

Oh look, another one of these threads

At that point it was/is taken over by the ATP&N conservatard trolls and the responses to them. I have those guys on ignore, so I FF past that shit. I'm not gonna unignore conservatards (something vaguely like a mind, geek, Lost or brandonbullshit) or their posts to have privy to the firefights here.

The guns matter, tho. And apparently more than a person's life...or many persons' lives. That's quite obvious. Guns > people.

Guns and $$$ > people in the USA.

Did you guys watch Dean Schiller's video, linked in post #2 or so? His responses to a variety of cops trying to dump on him were phenomenal. He wouldn't take any guff from them. I have never seen or heard anything like it. At one point he was literally flipping off and screaming at various cops holding attack weapons dressed in battle regalia, daring them to arrest him (and obviously ignoring what seemed to me a real risk that they would outright shoot him or at least rough him up!). Network news took some of his early video for their prime time coverage, it was him yelling "active shooter, active shooter" (They blurred the bodies of victims, but his video is unblurred and right there on Youtube). I bet he didn't ask them for $$$ for using his video.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Entire point of a gun is that people die. More guns, more death. As America has proven.

O RLY?

Then do tell - why is the homicide rate at a low point since that directly negates your phrase of "more guns, more death" ?

Unless you want to try to spin that we have less guns now - which would be pretty hilarious.

 

[Meghan54]

Interesting little factoid I read yesterday:

In 2019 and 2020, Texas had two verified instances of voter fraud. During those same two years, Texas had 110 killed in mass shootings and another 266 injured.

Guess which is Texas' overriding priority to "fix" right now?

 

[Viper GTS]

O RLY?

Then do tell - why is the homicide rate at a low point since that directly negates your phrase of "more guns, more death" ?

Unless you want to try to spin that we have less guns now - which would be pretty hilarious.


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One possibility:

Lead–crime hypothesis - Wikipedia

Viper GTS

 

[HomerJS]

I haven't heard anyone say that except you. Do you have a link where someone said that?

Sen Ron Johnson commenting on the insurrectionists. He was not "concerned" about the insurrectionists that stormed the capitol, killed and injured police. However same circumstances if it was BLM he would have been "concerned"

In other words, crime and insurrection is only crime and insurrection if done by black people.

 

[HomerJS]

I dont think relatives are either interviewed nor competent witnesses to someone's mental health.

I'm not saying his relative should be the judges if he is mentally fit to purchase a gun. His brother said he had mental issues. A screening would not have allowed him to purchase a gun. We don't screen for mental fitness for gun purchases.

 

[cytg111]

Sen Ron Johnson commenting on the insurrectionists. He was not "concerned" about the insurrectionists that stormed the capitol, killed and injured police. However same circumstances if it was BLM he would have been "concerned"

In other words, crime and insurrection is only crime and insurrection if done by black people.

To be fair to "the other side", I dont think Ron Johnson *meant* to say it in racist way, after all, he is still too aware to do something that stupid... What really elevates his comment is the indirect way he reveals his racism. Its an "all other things being equal" deal, a white mob and a black mob, and he is only afraid of one of them. Ron Johnson is a raging racist.