Mass shooting Boulder Colorado

[IronWing]

I have no idea what you are talking about. I said banning semi-autos would at least limit the damage in mass shootings. You said "Not true the worst school shooting ever was done with handguns," implying that the VT shooter didn't have semi-auto handguns.

News flash, you are the one that brought up handguns, not me. And I never said it was new invention, semi-auto dual action handguns have been around for 100 years, doesn't change my point one bit.

My point remains, ban semi-auto weapons and the casualties go way down. I don't care it is a shotgun, rifle, or handgun.

He made a 180 degree turn on his position because he is full of shit. The proper response is to tell the treasonous fuck to fuck off.

 

[herm0016]

My safe storage proposal is simple. If your gun wasn't properly stored and it is used in a crime, you are an accomplice in that crime. If your gun killed 20 kids, you go to jail for life. Your kid blows their brains out with your unsecured loaded gun, jail for life. Your non-secured gun is stolen from your car, ~5 years. Leave your gun on a booth in a restaurant, 5 years.

At a minimum, lose your right to own or handle a gun for the rest of your life.

Don't like the risks, don't carry around a killing machine.

I'm a big supporter of the 4th though, so I'd be absolutely against any type of inspection.

Eh. Fair enough.

 

[herm0016]

do you think having to store propane or any other hazardous materials from chemicals to explosives in a safe manner goes against your due process?

And....there are no laws that require a police inspection of your grill in your house.... so.... Whats your point? A place of business that is "public" is not the same as a home according to law.


And I have a federal lisence to handle explosives and radioactive material...so "a bit" of training on safe storage of hazardous substances and inspection. requirements.

 

[MrSquished]

And....there are no laws that require a police inspection of your grill in your house.... so.... Whats your point? A place of business that is "public" is not the same as a home according to law.


And I have a federal lisence to handle explosives and radioactive material...so "a bit" of training on safe storage of hazardous substances and inspection. requirements.

You were arguing against any and all requirements on storage.

 

[Muse]

Obligatory "cops are trained to shot until the threat has stopped"
Gee, I wonder what that really translates to in practical terms...

Figured I'd get that in before anyone else puts it forth as a serious defense

Anyway, this particular disgruntled oaf seems to have made himself into a very successful assassin on his very first try. All 10 people he shot are dead. 10/10. Well, he had choice weaponry, an AR-15 and a semi-automatic pistol that looked for all the world like an assault weapon. The shops of Boulder are well supplied. And clearly, going out for a covid-19 vaccination there is risky business.

 

[Muse]

Also, an assault weapons ban may have prevented this Colorado shooting - again we'll never know. But there is also a reasonable chance if he wasn't armed with a semi-automatic assault style rifle would he have felt as empowered to go on a mass shooting spree? While there are exceptions, AR-15 style rifles are the weapon of choice for the biggest mass shootings by a looong shot. It's easy to ruminate on the psychological reasons of this - if a handgun feels empowering, imagine what a gun that looks like the same guns soldiers use in war must feel like. It's almost definitely an element.

I believe it was his sister (a female family member, in any case) who stated today that 2 days before the massacre he was going about playing with his AR-15 in an alarming way, suggesting that his fantasy of mass murder had him in its clutches.

We could reinstate the assault weapons ban nationally right now but for the lack of 10 Republican votes in the Senate. I doubt the heartless bastards will give an inch.

Also, as far as trauma (and stress) endured by the mother is concerned, as I understand it the main issue there is that it influences the subsequent lifelong physical health of the child, rather than psychological.

Curiously, he refused to say a word to the cops who arrested him. His request was to talk to his mother.

 

[MrSquished]

I believe it was his sister (a female family member, in any case) who stated today that 2 days before the massacre he was going about playing with his AR-15 in an alarming way, suggesting that his fantasy of mass murder had him in its clutches.

The AR-15 is the real sports car of mass shooters. A lot of these small dicked motherfuckers might not have enough balls or inspiration to do it with a glock, more like a regular sedan of guns. But a lot of small dicked conservatives need to fondle their AR-15's too, so they form a club.

 

[pcgeek11]

Clearly we need more good guys with guns so when the cops showed up it would be easy to determine the shooter since many people would be shooting at each other.

Then again the cops would likely just shoot the first black guy with a gun. And if you think that is hyperbole, true story. A black security guard was shot over this very scenario.

Shooting of Jemel Roberson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So we need more and more guns, amirite????

None of that has anything to do with what I said in the post You Quoted.

No, you are not right.

 

[pcgeek11]

Execution as a means of justice is not OK. However, what I think you were trying to indicate is that the cops should have shot to kill with any fashion of resisting peaceable arrest. That of course can be quite subtle, but there is a huge difference between someone who is actively wielding a high powered firearm known to have killed people in the vicinity already and the counter-examples provided.

That is what I said in so many words. Active shooter, unload on him.

 

[pcgeek11]

" crime is only crime if blacks are the perps."

I haven't heard anyone say that except you. Do you have a link where someone said that?

 

[compcons]

I haven't heard anyone say that except you. Do you have a link where someone said that?

Not exactly a source, but you can certainly use Google for details. It's a fair mumber of examples that should make you think about it a bit.

 

[pcgeek11]

Not exactly a source, but you can certainly use Google for details. It's a fair mumber of examples that should make you think about it a bit.

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So no you don't have a link where anyone said that.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I haven't heard anyone say that except you. Do you have a link where someone said that?

Oppression olympics, still going strong heh.

 

[Vic]

I haven't heard anyone say that except you. Do you have a link where someone said that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ron-johnson-is-a-racist/2021/03/19/0b247f42-88f3-11eb-bfdf-4d36dab83a6d_story.html

Stay perpetually uninformed, pal. You couldn't play dumb any other way.

 

[pcgeek11]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ron-johnson-is-a-racist/2021/03/19/0b247f42-88f3-11eb-bfdf-4d36dab83a6d_story.html

Stay perpetually uninformed, pal. You couldn't play dumb any other way.

Well he didn't say that either.

"had the tables been turned and President Trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of Black Lives Matter and antifa protesters, I might have been a little concerned.”

As I remember the BLM Protesters were all various races I saw a lot of white peeps in those riots too and Antifa isn't a race much less a black thing.

I agree what he said was screwed up, but he did not say " crime is only crime if blacks are the perps."

Nor did he imply that.

I think that the BLM and Antifa riots and the Invasion of the capitol building are all crimes and all should be held accountable for it regardless of their skin.

 

[railer]

This guy killed 10 people and definitely resisted arrest and they took him alive. Also the this guy killed a cop. Just to put it in perspective, the suspect

wasn't accused of passing a counterfeit $20
wasn't selling untaxed cigarettes on the street
wasn't playing with a toy gun
wasn't talking on the phone while holding an air rifle he was going to purchase
wasn't walking home and was dressed not to other people's liking

Anyone recognize this list???

No, but recognize blatant stupidity when I see it.
This guy killed a cop, and your presumption is that the other cops were nice to this guy, in spite of this, because....he was a Muslim? Does that actually make sense to you? It shouldn't.
The dude probably dropped his gun when he ran out of bullets, or dropped his gun when overwhelming firepower showed up, and laid down on the floor. He almost certainly did not resist arrest.
Reminder: He shot a cop dead. The other cops were not being nice to him because of the shade of his skin. Your blatant bigotry is shining through. At least try to be more subtle about it next time.

 

[Vic]

Well he didn't say that either.

"had the tables been turned and President Trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of Black Lives Matter and antifa protesters, I might have been a little concerned.”

As I remember the BLM Protesters were all various races I saw a lot of white peeps in those riots too and Antifa isn't a race much less a black thing.

I agree what he said was screwed up, but he did not say " crime is only crime if blacks are the perps."

Nor did he imply that.

I think that the BLM and Antifa riots and the Invasion of the capitol building are all crimes and all should be held accountable for it regardless of their skin.

The Honorable Senator Johnson was incredibly clear that his primary concern was that accountability be based solely upon skin color. He wasn't at all concerned that white supremacists wearing 6MWE shirts tried to overturn the govt, but oh no if it had been black folks, or those who might sympathize with black folks.. oh, then that would have been a (little bit) concern!

The only problem with you, guy, is that you're not done unto the way you willfully apologize for other people being unto. But I take comfort in the certain knowledge that you already know that.

 

[Jaskalas]

"Proof of fitness"? Wut? The entire point of a gun is an equalizer. I'm sorry that this is above your IQ level.

Entire point of a gun is that people die. More guns, more death. As America has proven.

 

[MrSquished]

At least if conservitards could just man up and be like we need unfettered access to guns so our small dicks feel big and strong, and the tons of gun violence as a result of that is just a feature not a bug. At least be honest. But they can't, because they are literal douchebags.

 

[pcgeek11]

The Honorable Senator Johnson was incredibly clear that his primary concern was that accountability be based solely upon skin color. He wasn't at all concerned that white supremacists wearing 6MWE shirts tried to overturn the govt, but oh no if it had been black folks, or those who might sympathize with black folks.. oh, then that would have been a (little bit) concern!

The only problem with you, guy, is that you're not done unto the way you willfully apologize for other people being unto. But I take comfort in the certain knowledge that you already know that.

You are the one inserting your Bias into his words.

All of those groups should be held accountable for their actions in the riots and the invasion of the capital. ALL of them black white or purple...

And your last paragraph is gibberish. ???

 

[Vic]

You are the one inserting your Bias into his words.

All of those groups should be held accountable for their actions in the riots and the invasion of the capital. ALL of them black white or purple...

And your last paragraph is gibberish. ???

But that's exactly the opposite of what the Senator said. He very clearly said there should be different accountabilities based on skin color. That he was not concerned that white supremacists had stormed the Capitol with Congress in session, but would have been concerned if black people, and their sympathizers, had done so. That's not inserting bias, pal, that statement was overtly racist.

And that paragraph was only gibberish to you because you lack the self-awareness that God gave a fucking chicken.

 

[pcgeek11]

But that's exactly the opposite of what the Senator said. He very clearly said there should be different accountabilities based on skin color. That he was not concerned that white supremacists had stormed the Capitol with Congress in session, but would have been concerned if black people, and their sympathizers, had done so. That statement was overtly racist.

And that paragraph was only gibberish to you because you lack the self-awareness that God gave a fucking chicken.

I agree what he said was bad and screwed up. He was discussing His Concern levels about one group verses the other two he mentioned. It could also be called racist in a very broad sense. But he did not say what was claimed: " crime is only crime if blacks are the perps." That is an insertion made by your bias.

No, it was gibberish.

And this is crazy as neither of us is going to change our minds. I'm done.

 

[Vic]

I agree what he said was bad and screwed up. He was discussing His Concern levels about one group verses the other two he mentioned. It could also be called racist in a very broad sense. But he did not say what was claimed: " crime is only crime if blacks are the perps." That is an insertion made by your bias.

No, it was gibberish.

Not by my bias, because I didn't make that statement. But given that armed treason against the Constitution is among the most serious of crimes, the Senator's lack of concern for white supremacists actually committing that crime, along with a diversion to black causes that have never committed such a heinous crime, does seem to support that bias. Or at least any reasonable person would think so.
But you're clearly not a reasonable person.

 

[Meghan54]

I agree what he said was bad and screwed up. He was discussing His Concern levels about one group verses the other two he mentioned. It could also be called racist in a very broad sense. But he did not say what was claimed: " crime is only crime if blacks are the perps." That is an insertion made by your bias.

No, it was gibberish.

And this is crazy as neither of us is going to change our minds. I'm done.

When someone says the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol with the intent of killing Pence and overturning a legitimate election didn't concern him because they were law abiding and police loving individuals (while storming the Capitol and killing a police officer and injuring dozens of them), while BLM participants would give him pause...what else can you derive from that other than he's scared of people of color vs. white persons?

 

[David Jenkins]

Maybe I'm a bit slow...but "racist in a broad sense" is a term I'm unfamiliar with?

Are there gradations of racism I'm unfamiliar with?